XSF Discussion - 2019-09-16


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  5. Link Mauve

    Zash, rion, the people doing Renegade X started writing a PRECIS implementation suitable for use from C, or at least are planning on that.

  6. Link Mauve

    I don’t think any code has been written yet.

  7. Link Mauve

    Join chat@xmpp.rs (xmpp:chat@xmpp.rs?join) to get in touch with them, if you want to help.

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  83. flow

    Link Mauve, that C&C Renegage remake?

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  260. jonas’

    I like the idea of MIX, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed

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  266. Ge0rG

    I like the idea of XMPP, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed

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  270. jonas’

    hah

  271. Ge0rG

    jonas’: you could run for Council.

  272. jonas’

    are the elections open again?

  273. jonas’

    ah, they are

  274. jonas’

    oh, Daniel’s coming back

  275. Ge0rG

    I need to find all the banners I made the last time.

  276. Ge0rG

    https://upload.yax.im/upload/L9QpGat3GD9S3nMF/make-xmpp-great-again.jpg = 404

  277. Ge0rG

    Who made this shit?

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  293. eevvoor

    sounds trumpy Ge0rG

  294. jonas’

    that’s from back when Trump hadn’t won yet and it was still funny

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  296. eevvoor

    it is still funny, just like telling people that wa is perfect for pupils and at school. that's also funny 🙄

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  366. jonas’

    ladies and gentlemen, we have a MIX create/join in aioxmpp! https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b9100eb/

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  369. Zash

    gg

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  375. Ge0rG runs for the hills (of MUC)

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  387. Ge0rG

    flow: would you accept a PR containing the Oob.java file in the appropriate Smack namespace (which one?): https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/Oob.java

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  389. Daniel

    I'm currently writing slides for a developers introduction to xmpp

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  392. Daniel

    Have we ever documented the session optional child thing?

  393. Daniel

    Or is that just something people need to know? Lol

  394. Zash

    Hm, hold on

  395. Zash

    Daniel: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cridland-xmpp-session/

  396. Daniel

    oh nice

  397. Daniel

    how would people usually discover that?

  398. Daniel

    that draft i mean

  399. Zash

    Even nicer would be to get that finished and RFC'd

  400. Zash

    Ie an RFC that updates RFC 6121

  401. ralphm

    Daniel: what do you mean discover? If a server presents that child element it supports it?

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  403. Daniel

    no how a developer would know about it

  404. ralphm

    Ah, well, it is an expired draft, so I assume the answer is they shouldn't?

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  407. ralphm

    (casually mentions dwd)

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  410. Zash

    It documents something that solves a problem and that is implemented.

  411. ralphm

    Well if that's the case, indeed it should progress, because it adds a new element to an existing namespace.

  412. ralphm

    I didn't know it was actually implemented.

  413. Daniel

    I think both ejabberd and prosody do

  414. Daniel

    At least

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  416. MattJ

    Yes

  417. ralphm

    Daniel: so the normal way would be this document progressing to RFC and being recorded as updating 6121. It would then show up at the top of the latter's document.

  418. Daniel

    good to know thanks.

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  421. ralphm

    Last discussion on this seems to be the same day the -01 was published, on the xmppwg list, by Kev and dwd.

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  431. Zash

    Discussion from then suggests M-Link also does it

  432. Daniel

    so does openfire

  433. Zash

    Are there clients that still fail if you stop advertising <session/>?

  434. Daniel

    dunno. are there servers that still fail if you don’t send session?

  435. Zash

    dunno. haven't looked at this since that draft

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  437. Zash

    Aw, MUC logs from that time lost in the crash? :(

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  439. jonas’

    aioxmpp also supports that optional thing

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  442. jonas’

    Daniel, jabber.ccc.de failed back when I started aioxmpp, not sure if it has been updated since then

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  445. Daniel

    The optional thing is fairly widely supported I believe. Gajim most likely as well. However I didn't know about that draft and thought it was just collective consciousness

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  447. Zash

    It existed before the draft, IIRC waqas may have talked about it before that

  448. Zash

    https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361

  449. Zash

    Prosody 0.6

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  455. Daniel

    I think I remember that ejabberd only got that relatively recently. Circa 2016 or so.

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  458. Daniel

    And as jonas’ pointed out ejabberd in 2015 even required it

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  460. Zash

    2016 indeed, if this is it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/a150bf8fdc8061bc60e5cb1a64a1e06f962d6a4e

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  468. flow

    Ge0rG, sure. BTW, I am not sure if discussing Smack related stuff is really on-topic in xsf@, consider using smack@conference.igniterealtime.org, where we should continue discussing the details

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  511. Ge0rG

    flow: or you might join jdev@, where it's also on topic.

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  515. jonas’

    Zash, oh wow, I was just assuming jabber.ccc.de was running old software

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  527. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I fell for that as well, recently

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