XSF Discussion - 2019-09-16

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00:18:11 Link Mauve Zash, rion, the people doing Renegade X started writing a PRECIS implementation suitable for use from C, or at least are planning on that.
00:18:17 Link Mauve I don’t think any code has been written yet.
00:18:53 Link Mauve Join chat@xmpp.rs (xmpp:chat@xmpp.rs?join) to get in touch with them, if you want to help.
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05:45:32 flow Link Mauve, that C&C Renegage remake?
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11:48:53 jonas’ I like the idea of MIX, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed
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12:03:52 Ge0rG I like the idea of XMPP, but whenever I look at the specs I realize how much cleanup is still needed
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12:05:24 jonas’ hah
12:05:46 Ge0rG jonas’: you could run for Council.
12:05:56 jonas’ are the elections open again?
12:06:01 jonas’ ah, they are
12:06:14 jonas’ oh, Daniel’s coming back
12:06:32 Ge0rG I need to find all the banners I made the last time.
12:06:54 Ge0rG https://upload.yax.im/upload/L9QpGat3GD9S3nMF/make-xmpp-great-again.jpg = 404
12:07:00 Ge0rG Who made this shit?
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12:42:29 eevvoor sounds trumpy Ge0rG
12:44:57 jonas’ that’s from back when Trump hadn’t won yet and it was still funny
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12:54:05 eevvoor it is still funny, just like telling people that wa is perfect for pupils and at school. that's also funny 🙄
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15:05:51 jonas’ ladies and gentlemen, we have a MIX create/join in aioxmpp! https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b9100eb/
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15:06:46 Zash gg
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15:15:58 Ge0rG runs for the hills (of MUC)
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15:45:47 Ge0rG flow: would you accept a PR containing the Oob.java file in the appropriate Smack namespace (which one?): https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/Oob.java
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15:54:15 Daniel I'm currently writing slides for a developers introduction to xmpp
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15:54:31 Daniel Have we ever documented the session optional child thing?
15:54:44 Daniel Or is that just something people need to know? Lol
15:55:06 Zash Hm, hold on
15:55:24 Zash Daniel: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cridland-xmpp-session/
15:56:17 Daniel oh nice
15:57:40 Daniel how would people usually discover that?
15:57:53 Daniel that draft i mean
15:57:56 Zash Even nicer would be to get that finished and RFC'd
15:58:17 Zash Ie an RFC that updates RFC 6121
15:59:08 ralphm Daniel: what do you mean discover? If a server presents that child element it supports it?
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15:59:19 Daniel no how a developer would know about it
16:00:06 ralphm Ah, well, it is an expired draft, so I assume the answer is they shouldn't?
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16:00:51 ralphm (casually mentions dwd)
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16:02:02 Zash It documents something that solves a problem and that is implemented.
16:03:42 ralphm Well if that's the case, indeed it should progress, because it adds a new element to an existing namespace.
16:04:02 ralphm I didn't know it was actually implemented.
16:04:21 Daniel I think both ejabberd and prosody do
16:04:24 Daniel At least
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16:09:53 MattJ Yes
16:10:58 ralphm Daniel: so the normal way would be this document progressing to RFC and being recorded as updating 6121. It would then show up at the top of the latter's document.
16:12:48 Daniel good to know thanks.
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16:19:25 ralphm Last discussion on this seems to be the same day the -01 was published, on the xmppwg list, by Kev and dwd.
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16:44:54 Zash Discussion from then suggests M-Link also does it
16:46:14 Daniel so does openfire
16:47:16 Zash Are there clients that still fail if you stop advertising <session/>?
16:47:59 Daniel dunno. are there servers that still fail if you don’t send session?
16:48:58 Zash dunno. haven't looked at this since that draft
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16:49:57 Zash Aw, MUC logs from that time lost in the crash? :(
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17:00:04 jonas’ aioxmpp also supports that optional thing
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17:00:35 jonas’ Daniel, jabber.ccc.de failed back when I started aioxmpp, not sure if it has been updated since then
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17:02:47 Daniel The optional thing is fairly widely supported I believe. Gajim most likely as well. However I didn't know about that draft and thought it was just collective consciousness
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17:08:47 Zash It existed before the draft, IIRC waqas may have talked about it before that
17:09:31 Zash https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361
17:09:50 Zash Prosody 0.6
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17:14:10 Daniel I think I remember that ejabberd only got that relatively recently. Circa 2016 or so.
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17:14:33 Daniel And as jonas’ pointed out ejabberd in 2015 even required it
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17:17:01 Zash 2016 indeed, if this is it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/a150bf8fdc8061bc60e5cb1a64a1e06f962d6a4e
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17:42:40 flow Ge0rG, sure. BTW, I am not sure if discussing Smack related stuff is really on-topic in xsf@, consider using smack@conference.igniterealtime.org, where we should continue discussing the details
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19:40:27 Ge0rG flow: or you might join jdev@, where it's also on topic.
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19:44:00 jonas’ Zash, oh wow, I was just assuming jabber.ccc.de was running old software
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20:10:22 Ge0rG jonas’: I fell for that as well, recently
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