that’s from back when Trump hadn’t won yet and it was still funny
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eevvoor
it is still funny, just like telling people that wa is perfect for pupils and at school. that's also funny 🙄
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jonas’
ladies and gentlemen, we have a MIX create/join in aioxmpp!
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b9100eb/
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gg
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Ge0rGruns for the hills (of MUC)
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flow: would you accept a PR containing the Oob.java file in the appropriate Smack namespace (which one?): https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/Oob.java
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I'm currently writing slides for a developers introduction to xmpp
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Have we ever documented the session optional child thing?
Daniel
Or is that just something people need to know? Lol
Even nicer would be to get that finished and RFC'd
Zash
Ie an RFC that updates RFC 6121
ralphm
Daniel: what do you mean discover? If a server presents that child element it supports it?
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no how a developer would know about it
ralphm
Ah, well, it is an expired draft, so I assume the answer is they shouldn't?
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(casually mentions dwd)
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It documents something that solves a problem and that is implemented.
ralphm
Well if that's the case, indeed it should progress, because it adds a new element to an existing namespace.
ralphm
I didn't know it was actually implemented.
Daniel
I think both ejabberd and prosody do
Daniel
At least
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Yes
ralphm
Daniel: so the normal way would be this document progressing to RFC and being recorded as updating 6121. It would then show up at the top of the latter's document.
Daniel
good to know thanks.
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Last discussion on this seems to be the same day the -01 was published, on the xmppwg list, by Kev and dwd.
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Discussion from then suggests M-Link also does it
Daniel
so does openfire
Zash
Are there clients that still fail if you stop advertising <session/>?
Daniel
dunno. are there servers that still fail if you don’t send session?
Zash
dunno. haven't looked at this since that draft
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Aw, MUC logs from that time lost in the crash? :(
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aioxmpp also supports that optional thing
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Daniel, jabber.ccc.de failed back when I started aioxmpp, not sure if it has been updated since then
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The optional thing is fairly widely supported I believe. Gajim most likely as well. However I didn't know about that draft and thought it was just collective consciousness
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It existed before the draft, IIRC waqas may have talked about it before that
Zash
https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361
Zash
Prosody 0.6
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I think I remember that ejabberd only got that relatively recently. Circa 2016 or so.
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And as jonas’ pointed out ejabberd in 2015 even required it
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2016 indeed, if this is it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/a150bf8fdc8061bc60e5cb1a64a1e06f962d6a4e
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Ge0rG, sure. BTW, I am not sure if discussing Smack related stuff is really on-topic in xsf@, consider using smack@conference.igniterealtime.org, where we should continue discussing the details
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flow: or you might join jdev@, where it's also on topic.
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Zash, oh wow, I was just assuming jabber.ccc.de was running old software