jonas’that’s from back when Trump hadn’t won yet and it was still funny
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eevvoorit is still funny, just like telling people that wa is perfect for pupils and at school. that's also funny 🙄
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jonas’ladies and gentlemen, we have a MIX create/join in aioxmpp!
https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b9100eb/
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Zashgg
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Ge0rGruns for the hills (of MUC)
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Ge0rGflow: would you accept a PR containing the Oob.java file in the appropriate Smack namespace (which one?): https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/Oob.java
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DanielI'm currently writing slides for a developers introduction to xmpp
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DanielHave we ever documented the session optional child thing?
DanielOr is that just something people need to know? Lol
ZashEven nicer would be to get that finished and RFC'd
ZashIe an RFC that updates RFC 6121
ralphmDaniel: what do you mean discover? If a server presents that child element it supports it?
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Danielno how a developer would know about it
ralphmAh, well, it is an expired draft, so I assume the answer is they shouldn't?
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ralphm(casually mentions dwd)
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ZashIt documents something that solves a problem and that is implemented.
ralphmWell if that's the case, indeed it should progress, because it adds a new element to an existing namespace.
ralphmI didn't know it was actually implemented.
DanielI think both ejabberd and prosody do
DanielAt least
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MattJYes
ralphmDaniel: so the normal way would be this document progressing to RFC and being recorded as updating 6121. It would then show up at the top of the latter's document.
Danielgood to know thanks.
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ralphmLast discussion on this seems to be the same day the -01 was published, on the xmppwg list, by Kev and dwd.
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ZashDiscussion from then suggests M-Link also does it
Danielso does openfire
ZashAre there clients that still fail if you stop advertising <session/>?
Danieldunno. are there servers that still fail if you don’t send session?
Zashdunno. haven't looked at this since that draft
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ZashAw, MUC logs from that time lost in the crash? :(
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jonas’aioxmpp also supports that optional thing
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jonas’Daniel, jabber.ccc.de failed back when I started aioxmpp, not sure if it has been updated since then
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DanielThe optional thing is fairly widely supported I believe. Gajim most likely as well. However I didn't know about that draft and thought it was just collective consciousness
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ZashIt existed before the draft, IIRC waqas may have talked about it before that
Zashhttps://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361
ZashProsody 0.6
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DanielI think I remember that ejabberd only got that relatively recently. Circa 2016 or so.
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DanielAnd as jonas’ pointed out ejabberd in 2015 even required it
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Zash2016 indeed, if this is it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/a150bf8fdc8061bc60e5cb1a64a1e06f962d6a4e
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flowGe0rG, sure. BTW, I am not sure if discussing Smack related stuff is really on-topic in xsf@, consider using smack@conference.igniterealtime.org, where we should continue discussing the details
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Ge0rGflow: or you might join jdev@, where it's also on topic.
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jonas’Zash, oh wow, I was just assuming jabber.ccc.de was running old software