jonas’was there some protocol which allows a MUC to announce a URL where a web chat to join it can be found?
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jonas’or did we just agree that there should be such a thing but nobody did it yet?
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Ge0rGjonas’: the latter
Guusalso: 'now, you touched it last.'
jonas’*sigh*
jonas’Zash, you do a prosody thing for xmpp.org, I do a muclumbus thing and an update for '45, deal?
jonas’I suggest `roominfo#web_join_url`
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lovetox_if you update 0045 anyway you could also fix example 10
lovetox_it cointains muc#roominfo_changesubject which is non existent
Ge0rGI bike-shed `roominfo#webchat_url`
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jonas’Ge0rG, wfm
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ZashIs it implied that this would be some anonymous webchat setup?
jonas’Zash, yes
jonas’I think?
Ge0rGis there a use in a non-public webhcat?
Ge0rGis there a use in a non-public webchat?
jonas’Ge0rG, as an alternative to firing up your client if you know your credentials... but I think that’s not useful to have on each and every MUC of a service
Ge0rGjonas’: so it's a server config then?
jonas’probably?
Ge0rGwhat if I want to have a nicer webchat on my MUC?
Ge0rGwhich is custom-hosted
jonas’I don’t care ;)
jonas’I think that’s a different use-case anyways
pep.I remember that was mentioned in a sprint (Düsseldorf), and then we faced member-only channels and we figured we needed something like 401 but for MUCs? And never did it
Ge0rGtypically you need some kind of web space and xmpp / BOSH / CORS magic.
ZashStep 1: Only do it for public (not members only) non-hidden MUCs
Ge0rGwhat Zash said
Ge0rGas a server admin, I'd like to have a default webchat proto-URL where you only need to fill in the MUC name
Ge0rGas a MUC owner, I'd like to see that / have an opt-in / override it
pep.Ge0rG: a few services have that already, the former
pep.Look at chat.jabbefr.org's JS for example
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Ge0rG> chat.jabbefr.org’s server IP address could not be found.
pep.There's a look from jabberfr.org somewhere probably
pep.There's a link from jabberfr.org somewhere probably
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pep.(I can point to something more specific when I get a laptop)
jonas’Ge0rG, the obvious solution is that if a server is configured with a muc log and converse, it should be published in a form field.
Zashmuc#room{config,info}_* eh?
MattJhttps://www.xkcd.com/974/
jonas’Ge0rG, the obvious solution is that if a server is configured with a muc log and converse and anon login, it should be published in a form field.
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Ge0rGjonas’: on the MUC domain or on individual MUCs?
Ge0rGon both?
jonas’Ge0rG, on the individual MUCs
Ge0rGjonas’: what if some MUC owners don't want that?
jonas’Ge0rG, make it members-only?
jonas’make it password-protected?
jonas’apply the typical access control measures for your MUC
MattJAgreed, if it's open then anyone can point a web chat to you and advertise it somewhere, whether you like it or not
MattJso if you don't want that, it shouldn't be open (or make it hidden, and we'll default it to disabled for hidden MUCs)
jonas’MattJ, so I think the conditions should be: anon webchat configured && open && not password protected.
jonas’MattJ, so I think the conditions should be: anon webchat configured && open && not password protected && public?.
jonas’MattJ, so I think the conditions should be: anon webchat configured && open && not password protected && public(?).
MattJ+1
jonas’MattJ, `roominfo#webchat_url`?
ZashIn the case of Prosody, the anon webchat isn't attached to the MUC component, which complicates things. Implementation detail tho.
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Ge0rGI'm okay with a server config
MattJI think it's easy enough to add a config option to the MUC component to supply the web chat URL
jonas’Zash, in that case I suggest a config option on the MUC component which is something like 'webchat_url = "https://chat.example/join?room=%s"' ;)
ZashI'm in fact typing this out right now
jonas’<3
Danielyou need to a way to pass the block of an anon user in a muc through to the anon domain and block the ip
Danielotherwise you won’t be able to block users anymore
jonas’I guess that makes more sense since if your webchat needs the bare JID, it’s easier to tack a @hostname behind the %s than to try to pry the @hostname off whatever %s substitutes
jonas’whatever works :)
Ge0rGZash: what if I have multiple MUC domains?
jonas’(on the client side, I expect a perfectly working URL)
jonas’Ge0rG, since that’s a per-componetn/domain setting ... ;)
Ge0rGRight
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ZashI made {jid}, {node}, {host}
Ge0rGawesome
jonas’now for the most important question. which emoji/icon should I use in the muclumbus web interface?
jonas’door?
jonas’🚪?
ZashWith what motivation?
Ge0rGjonas’: 💬 or 🗪
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jonas’the former then, the latter shows as box only
Ge0rGjonas’: your Unicode is too old.
Ge0rG(Mine is, too)
jonas’Ge0rG, let’s not get into that PRECISe discussion now
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edhelastime is PRECIouSE
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Ge0rGwhat kind of sauce?
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Zashjonas’: done and deployed everywhere I have access :)
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jonas’Zash, deployed on search.jabbercat.org \o/
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ZashShiny!
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Zashjonas’, avatars?
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wurstsalatZash: there is an open issue about avatars (and how to manage/whitelist them)
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jonas’Zash, first I’ll redesign the list view (which I’m on right now), then I’ll consider how to implement whitelisted avatars for good
ZashWould it pick up a vcard for xsf@ if one had set one?
jonas’yes
jonas’muc.xmpp.org is in the whitelist
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ZashEntire domain?
jonas’yes
ZashWouldyoulookatthat
wurstsalatjonas’: so gajim.org is probably on the whitelist but it fails to provide its avatar the right way?
jonas’wurstsalat, refresh
jonas’wurstsalat, it just took a while to re-scan the MUC
moparisthebestooh entire domain you say, can I create mucs here?
jonas’moparisthebest, no
ZashYou also can't set vcards.
jonas’off to bed now
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wurstsalatjonas’: I do like the new layout!
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Danieljonas’: I'm currently getting internet server error from the api
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pep.Newbie question: "After SASL negotiation, the parties MUST restart the stream." why is that?
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Zashpep., iirc to be sure that any sensitive SASL data can be wiped from memory.
ZashAnd so that you can offer new features.
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pep.new features? ah, after being authenticated
Zashpost-auth only stream features
fippoyes. it would not make sense to offer you any stream features that require authentication prior to auth ("try this! ah sorry, you need to be authenticated") so the rule of thumb is to only offer what has a chance to work
Zashand you can't re-send stream features without a stream restart for whatever reason
Zashthis is one of the reasons dialback is awkward, since there's no stream restart involved, so you have to offer post-auth features before auth.
pep.yeah that's what I was wondering (why not "just" send new features)
Zashbecasue.
Zashresetting the parser and wiping pre-stream restart data has some value one might think
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pep.So using a mobile client actually has some benefits. This way you can see new features your server advertizes quickly (/s)
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ZashNow go implement SASL2 and/or BIND2 :)
fippo"just" sending new features might break backward compat
pep.Call it XMPP2!
fippo(i suspect this is a mostly theoretical concern)
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