XSF Discussion - 2019-10-09

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09:25:34 Link Mauve “00:23:33 Zash> Wanna help with my WIP mod_nodeinfo2.lua?”, sure.
09:28:33 pep. I also do fwiw
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11:16:56 Link Mauve Damn, XEP-0076 violates the RFC by adding a second payload to an iq, and not having any @type on it.
11:17:03 Link Mauve This definitely needs fixing.
11:19:22 flow Link Mauve, are you going to fix it?
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11:23:01 Link Mauve It would require a very different approach, which I’m not sure would fly.
11:23:10 Link Mauve Such as using a namespaced attribute!!!
11:29:19 flow Link Mauve, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/842
11:30:55 Link Mauve Thanks.
11:31:18 Link Mauve But it means you have to add support for it in every single parser, rather than just once at the iq level.
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11:31:42 Link Mauve Imagine I forgot to implement it in the disco#info parser, I would fail to notice that your disco#info reply was evil.
11:32:14 Link Mauve That in itself is a security issue.
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11:32:40 flow Would that be true for a namespaced attribute also?
11:32:57 flow *Wouldn't that be
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15:15:05 jonas’ Kev, while I have you on the hook, can you look at the docker hub thing? I didn’t have permissions to set up the builds myself.
15:15:17 jonas’ Kev, while I have you on the hook, did you have a chance to look at the docker hub thing? I didn’t have permissions to set up the builds myself.
15:16:23 Kev Oh, no, I didn't. I think that's you not having rights on github, as I've given you maximal rights on docker hub.
15:16:42 jonas’ Kev, I’m not sure about that
15:17:01 jonas’ also that web interface is extremely confusing
15:17:12 Kev It is (confusing).
15:18:08 jonas’ Kev, I think I’d need permissions on the org, not on the docker repo on docker hub to do this
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15:18:26 Kev I think you need permission on the org, not the repo, on github to do this. I could be wrong.
15:18:53 Kev Included in the right you've been granted on dockerhub is linking to github, unless I forget what I read.
15:19:27 jonas’ I’m pretty sure it’s on the docker hub side of things
15:19:36 jonas’ because it briefly shows me the org settings before deciding that I shouldn’t be able to use those
15:19:50 jonas’ this here is a 404 for me: https://cloud.docker.com/u/xmppxsf/settings/xmppxsf/dashboard
15:19:55 jonas’ and it wants me to go there to connect to github
15:20:12 Kev It's a 404 for me too.
15:20:42 jonas’ m(
15:20:46 jonas’ maybe this is a glitch in the software then
15:20:52 jonas’ can *you* connect the repo to github?
15:21:09 jonas’ https://cloud.docker.com/u/xmppxsf/repository/docker/xmppxsf/registry/builds via this
15:21:27 Kev Yes, but it requires me to grant access to assorted organisations that I don't want to, it seems, which is why I left it for someone else to do.
15:21:55 Kev But it does indeed seem to be doing it through the org settings, you're right.
15:22:43 jonas’ so it’s GitHubs weird authz model again
15:22:55 Kev Or what docker hub is asking for, possibly.
15:23:02 Kev But it wants read/write access to the whole world.
15:24:03 jonas’ yeah, which it gets unless the GitHub org has prevented that by default >.>
15:24:08 jonas’ that’s GitHubs stupid model
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15:24:57 Kev https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/builds/#service-users-for-team-autobuilds says something about this, haven't read it yet.
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15:38:52 Kev jonas’: So I think what needs to happen is the XSF to have an appropriately-limited service account created on github, and then an org owner on dockerhub to link them.
15:39:32 Kev I'd suggest Matt getting himself owner access to Docker Hub would be a better start to this than continuing with me having access and other iteam not.
15:39:34 jonas’ that sounds like a PITA
15:39:41 jonas’ why does it work for xeps etc.?
15:41:02 Kev I assume it was configured at some previous time when different access was needed.
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16:13:18 Ge0rG Daniel, jonas’: I want to add JFT to CS-2020. Should I also mandate SOCKS5, IBB, or both? I tend to have IBB only as a minimum consensus.
16:13:41 Daniel ibb is a MUST in jingle ft iirc
16:14:19 jonas’ Ge0rG, yes, IBB
16:14:21 Zash The last fallback.
16:14:25 jonas’ as minimum consensus
16:14:32 jonas’ advanced should probably support SOCKS5
16:14:40 Ge0rG Daniel: ah, ok. Then it doesn't hurt to have it in CS2020.
16:14:44 jonas’ Ge0rG, I’d like to nominate Jingle Encryption for Future things
16:14:47 jonas’ Ge0rG, I’d like to nominate Jingle Encryption for Future Things
16:14:55 jonas’ Ge0rG, I’d like to nominate Jingle Encrypted Transport for Future Things
16:15:07 Ge0rG jonas’: if JFT is an advanced feature, is S5B advanced-advanced?
16:15:10 Daniel i'd prefer to have http upload instead of jft
16:15:25 Ge0rG Daniel: that'll be in Core IM
16:15:28 Zash vcard4, deprecate vcard-temp?
16:15:32 jonas’ Ge0rG, good point, S5B should be honoruable mention, but don’t require it for advanced
16:15:49 Ge0rG jonas’: there is no column for honorable mentions
16:15:57 Daniel i hear cool use webrtc these days as transport
16:15:59 jonas’ Ge0rG, "Future Things"? ;)
16:16:02 Daniel but i'm not cool
16:18:01 Ge0rG I'm pondering whether to add 0066 in "File Upload"
16:18:23 jonas’ Ge0rG, I was thinking about that, too
16:19:04 Ge0rG it's tribal knowledge, so better have it in there
16:19:10 jonas’ true
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16:21:32 Ge0rG jonas’: added all your feedback to #841
16:22:12 Daniel Ge0rG: I'm sort of against bookmark conversion
16:22:46 Ge0rG Daniel: mind discussing that on-list?
16:22:55 jonas’ yes please, I’m on my way out
16:22:57 Daniel If our changes to bookmarks 2 are accepted by the authors I hope to be able to deprecate conversion soon
16:23:01 Ge0rG I don't have a strong opinion on that, but it seemed useful to me.
16:23:25 Ge0rG Daniel: what's the migration path from private XML and PEP to Bookmarks2?
16:24:03 Daniel Ge0rG: bookmark 2 doing the conversion
16:24:25 Daniel The xep already hints at that. Our changes add features for that
16:25:00 Ge0rG > A server MAY choose to unify the bookmarks from both Private XML Storage (XEP-0049) [2] based and the current Bookmark Storage (XEP-0048) [1].
16:25:03 Ge0rG it's a hint only.
16:25:21 Daniel Ge0rG: yes
16:25:27 Daniel For now
16:25:59 Ge0rG Daniel: I will ask for an LC of CS2020 next week. Is the situation going to change until then?
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16:26:41 Daniel Probably not
16:26:51 Ge0rG I need to redo 0411 anyway, because it is a server-thing.
16:27:00 Ge0rG I need to move 0411 anyway, because it is a server-thing.
16:28:30 Ge0rG no wait. Everything is good.
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17:12:58 pep. jonas’, it might actually be interesting to split CCG and the use-cases? I mean CCG is currently defined on "a string", but 3.2 and 3.3 could be different XEPs? and more could be added this way
17:14:34 pep. That's in reaction to Ge0rG's PR on 423, I find it pretty restrictive (not the right word) to name it the dep on 392 "User Name Coloring"
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17:20:58 pep. That's in reaction to Ge0rG's PR on 423, I find it pretty restrictive (not the right word) to name the dep on 392 "User Name Coloring"
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17:30:01 Ge0rG pep.: do you have a better name suggestion?
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17:37:45 pep. I'd be happy to keep that name if we had a xep that requires CCG and is specifically for user name coloring :p
17:41:08 pep. For CCG itself I'm not sure yeah
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17:42:08 pep. (And if it were split, it wouldn't make sense to include CCG itself anyway)
17:42:14 Zash read "GCC"
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18:07:51 jonas’ Zash, it’s even more confusing if you also are familiar with GGC, which is the Garbage Collector implementation GCC uses internally (while compiling)
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18:08:57 Seve @_@
18:11:52 Zash The number of [GC]{3} is too damn high!
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18:12:16 jonas’ I think there’s also a dithering algorithm or something like that which is in that space of names
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18:53:15 Ge0rG And, probably too obvious, the CCC.
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19:46:41 jonas’ mildly amusing: I just found this (<https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/51948/is-it-okay-to-normalize-unicode-passwords-with-nfc-nfd>) stackexchange question I wrote five years ago. I love the sentence: > I found that there is a stringprep (RFC 3454) profile called SASLprep (RFC 4013) which is appearantly used for passwords and usernames in some protocols.
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