XSF Discussion - 2019-10-16


  1. Ge0rG

    pep., jonas’: it looks like the build process still hasn't finished.

  2. Zash

    Cloudy

  3. Ge0rG

    > Yeah no I guess it wasn't on purpose and nobody noticed Like most messages being of type=normal, because it's the default, and nobody noticed.

  4. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I don’t have credentials with me and won’t be able to kick the job before 13:00Z

  5. Ge0rG

    jonas’: thanks

  6. Ge0rG

    xmpp.net is also down - 504 Gateway Timeout

  7. jonas’

    docker cloud still throws 500 at me

  8. jonas’

    I’ll build locally and try to push it from here

  9. jonas’

    ok, apparently I’m able and allowed to push

  10. jonas’

    so I’m doing that now, lets see if that helps

  11. jonas’

    pushed

  12. jonas’

    ping me if something breaks

  13. jonas’

    it’ll take about 5min to arrive on the server, if that still works

  14. jonas’

    seems to have updated and be working

  15. Ge0rG

    jonas’: 👍

  16. jonas’

    lskdjf, please see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/845 (pre-rendered here: https://sotecware.net/files/xeps/xep-0392.html )

  17. jonas’

    does this remove all restrictions you want to see gone?

  18. jonas’

    lskdjf, also, https://github.com/modernxmpp/modernxmpp/pull/24

  19. larma

    jonas’, notes/ideas: - link to §7.2 in §5.3 is broken - get rid of "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely."? - define how to generate secondary/additional color/hue if implementations require more than one color (e.g. use the second/third/... 16 bits in §5.1 algorithm) - add reference to WCAG in §7.2 - make XEP Informational (not sure how/if this would be possible)

  20. Zash

    Use of mystical Editor powers like `sed` maybe?

  21. Zash goes to read XEP-0001

  22. Zash

    > If the proposal is accepted as a XEP, the XMPP Extensions Editor shall do the following: > * specify an appropriate type

  23. pep.

    Zash: I think formally it would have to be resubmitted to a different track

  24. pep.

    We might need board to bypass all that?

  25. Zash

    I think it just needs to be resubmitted, and The Editor can change the type

  26. pep.

    You mean with it staying ”0392”?

  27. Zash

    Nah, redoing this would be a new number

  28. pep.

    OK so we're saying the same thing

  29. Zash

    > The XMPP Council may, at its discretion, decide to convert an Historical XEP into a Standards Track XEP if [...] So there's a tiny bit of precedent for changing type.

  30. lskdjf

    jonas’, yes indeed, that's much better now! Thanks for the edits 🙂

  31. lskdjf

    Only thing is I agree with larma about "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely." - I also don't allow the user to turn off button hover effects or that nicks are written in bold text. To my (limited!) knowledge about color vision deficits this should be fine, but especially when allowing to select correction having colors shouldn't be any problem.

  32. moparisthebest

    SHOULD isn't a MUST, you MAY just ignore it

  33. jonas’

    lskdjf, this is about a different accessibility thing, which has to do with distraction, IIRC

  34. jonas’

    and yeah, also that I’m certain that there will be facets of CVDs which simply can’t be accounted for, or interactions between CVDs and contrast ratios which make things weird/tricky

  35. Ge0rG

    Shouldn't that be an OS level thing, like done on iOS? I have a family member with color blindness and an iPhone, and you can't imagine how happy they were when I showed that setting

  36. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it should, but until we have that ....

  37. jonas’

    (also, if an app prepares for that by doing the right thing right away, it may degrade a bit nicer? I don’t know)

  38. Ge0rG

    Where are all the accessibility gnomes?

  39. jonas’

    hah

  40. lskdjf

    Ge0rG, what does iOS do? Correct the colors? Or disable them?

  41. Zash

    jonas’, if the OS fiddles with the color space in the same way that the algorithm does, it might get done twice and I don't think that'll look nice

  42. jonas’

    Zash, true

  43. Ge0rG

    lskdjf: it has a set of different color filters that you can choose from, globally for all apps

  44. Ge0rG

    This is most important for display of photos and video

  45. Ge0rG

    http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/09/enable-screen-filters-help-color-blindness-ios-10.html has screenshots

  46. Zash

    Tho if the OS has that, it should probably provide some API that lets the app know it doesn't have to deal with it, or something.

  47. jonas’

    "Am I running on iOS?" -> Don’t have to deal with it, apparently

  48. moparisthebest

    android also has a color blind setting

  49. moparisthebest

    https://burtrum.org/up/10ca549e-7bd6-47a2-bb52-e314017947c3/yDHbMJa2QGqayvDSoU4jYw.jpg

  50. moparisthebest

    called "Color correction" you even get to pick the type of colorblindness you have, that's a screenshot from my phone

  51. larma

    Color correction will *not* fix everything for you, it will certainly help, especially if it's "only" an anomaly instead of full blindness, but it is still way better to handle it at application level if possible

  52. moparisthebest

    unless like Zash said that is made worse by OS-level Color Correction

  53. pep.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21274160

  54. fippo

    cisco jabber?

  55. fippo

    I thought cisco had killed that one :-)

  56. Zash

    Where did you get Cisco from?

  57. fippo

    zash: I have a very vivid memory of the towel dispensers in the bathroom at the cisco office during the ... 2013 summit

  58. fippo

    which advertised cisco jabber video as THE BEST THING EVER

  59. Kev

    I'm inside your network.