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Ge0rG
pep., jonas’: it looks like the build process still hasn't finished.
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Zash
Cloudy
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Ge0rG
> Yeah no I guess it wasn't on purpose and nobody noticed Like most messages being of type=normal, because it's the default, and nobody noticed.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, I don’t have credentials with me and won’t be able to kick the job before 13:00Z
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Ge0rG
jonas’: thanks
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Ge0rG
xmpp.net is also down - 504 Gateway Timeout
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jonas’
docker cloud still throws 500 at me
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jonas’
I’ll build locally and try to push it from here
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jonas’
ok, apparently I’m able and allowed to push
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jonas’
so I’m doing that now, lets see if that helps
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jonas’
pushed
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jonas’
ping me if something breaks
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jonas’
it’ll take about 5min to arrive on the server, if that still works
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jonas’
seems to have updated and be working
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Ge0rG
jonas’: 👍
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jonas’
lskdjf, please see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/845 (pre-rendered here: https://sotecware.net/files/xeps/xep-0392.html )
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jonas’
does this remove all restrictions you want to see gone?
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jonas’
lskdjf, also, https://github.com/modernxmpp/modernxmpp/pull/24
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larma
jonas’, notes/ideas: - link to §7.2 in §5.3 is broken - get rid of "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely."? - define how to generate secondary/additional color/hue if implementations require more than one color (e.g. use the second/third/... 16 bits in §5.1 algorithm) - add reference to WCAG in §7.2 - make XEP Informational (not sure how/if this would be possible)
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Zash
Use of mystical Editor powers like `sed` maybe?
- Zash goes to read XEP-0001
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Zash
> If the proposal is accepted as a XEP, the XMPP Extensions Editor shall do the following: > * specify an appropriate type
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pep.
Zash: I think formally it would have to be resubmitted to a different track
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pep.
We might need board to bypass all that?
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Zash
I think it just needs to be resubmitted, and The Editor can change the type
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pep.
You mean with it staying ”0392”?
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Zash
Nah, redoing this would be a new number
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pep.
OK so we're saying the same thing
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Zash
> The XMPP Council may, at its discretion, decide to convert an Historical XEP into a Standards Track XEP if [...] So there's a tiny bit of precedent for changing type.
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lskdjf
jonas’, yes indeed, that's much better now! Thanks for the edits 🙂
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lskdjf
Only thing is I agree with larma about "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely." - I also don't allow the user to turn off button hover effects or that nicks are written in bold text. To my (limited!) knowledge about color vision deficits this should be fine, but especially when allowing to select correction having colors shouldn't be any problem.
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moparisthebest
SHOULD isn't a MUST, you MAY just ignore it
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jonas’
lskdjf, this is about a different accessibility thing, which has to do with distraction, IIRC
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jonas’
and yeah, also that I’m certain that there will be facets of CVDs which simply can’t be accounted for, or interactions between CVDs and contrast ratios which make things weird/tricky
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Ge0rG
Shouldn't that be an OS level thing, like done on iOS? I have a family member with color blindness and an iPhone, and you can't imagine how happy they were when I showed that setting
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jonas’
Ge0rG, it should, but until we have that ....
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jonas’
(also, if an app prepares for that by doing the right thing right away, it may degrade a bit nicer? I don’t know)
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Ge0rG
Where are all the accessibility gnomes?
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jonas’
hah
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lskdjf
Ge0rG, what does iOS do? Correct the colors? Or disable them?
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Zash
jonas’, if the OS fiddles with the color space in the same way that the algorithm does, it might get done twice and I don't think that'll look nice
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jonas’
Zash, true
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Ge0rG
lskdjf: it has a set of different color filters that you can choose from, globally for all apps
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Ge0rG
This is most important for display of photos and video
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Ge0rG
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/09/enable-screen-filters-help-color-blindness-ios-10.html has screenshots
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Zash
Tho if the OS has that, it should probably provide some API that lets the app know it doesn't have to deal with it, or something.
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jonas’
"Am I running on iOS?" -> Don’t have to deal with it, apparently
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moparisthebest
android also has a color blind setting
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moparisthebest
https://burtrum.org/up/10ca549e-7bd6-47a2-bb52-e314017947c3/yDHbMJa2QGqayvDSoU4jYw.jpg
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moparisthebest
called "Color correction" you even get to pick the type of colorblindness you have, that's a screenshot from my phone
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larma
Color correction will *not* fix everything for you, it will certainly help, especially if it's "only" an anomaly instead of full blindness, but it is still way better to handle it at application level if possible
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moparisthebest
unless like Zash said that is made worse by OS-level Color Correction
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pep.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21274160
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fippo
cisco jabber?
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fippo
I thought cisco had killed that one :-)
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Zash
Where did you get Cisco from?
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fippo
zash: I have a very vivid memory of the towel dispensers in the bathroom at the cisco office during the ... 2013 summit
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fippo
which advertised cisco jabber video as THE BEST THING EVER
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Kev
I'm inside your network.