XSF Discussion - 2019-10-16

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  129. Ge0rG pep., jonas’: it looks like the build process still hasn't finished.
  130. Zash Cloudy
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  141. Ge0rG > Yeah no I guess it wasn't on purpose and nobody noticed Like most messages being of type=normal, because it's the default, and nobody noticed.
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  162. jonas’ Ge0rG, I don’t have credentials with me and won’t be able to kick the job before 13:00Z
  163. Ge0rG jonas’: thanks
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  193. Ge0rG xmpp.net is also down - 504 Gateway Timeout
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  231. jonas’ docker cloud still throws 500 at me
  232. jonas’ I’ll build locally and try to push it from here
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  235. jonas’ ok, apparently I’m able and allowed to push
  236. jonas’ so I’m doing that now, lets see if that helps
  237. jonas’ pushed
  238. jonas’ ping me if something breaks
  239. jonas’ it’ll take about 5min to arrive on the server, if that still works
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  242. jonas’ seems to have updated and be working
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  246. Ge0rG jonas’: 👍
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  313. jonas’ lskdjf, please see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/845 (pre-rendered here: https://sotecware.net/files/xeps/xep-0392.html )
  314. jonas’ does this remove all restrictions you want to see gone?
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  327. jonas’ lskdjf, also, https://github.com/modernxmpp/modernxmpp/pull/24
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  341. larma jonas’, notes/ideas: - link to §7.2 in §5.3 is broken - get rid of "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely."? - define how to generate secondary/additional color/hue if implementations require more than one color (e.g. use the second/third/... 16 bits in §5.1 algorithm) - add reference to WCAG in §7.2 - make XEP Informational (not sure how/if this would be possible)
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  344. Zash Use of mystical Editor powers like `sed` maybe?
  345. Zash goes to read XEP-0001
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  349. Zash > If the proposal is accepted as a XEP, the XMPP Extensions Editor shall do the following: > * specify an appropriate type
  350. pep. Zash: I think formally it would have to be resubmitted to a different track
  351. pep. We might need board to bypass all that?
  352. Zash I think it just needs to be resubmitted, and The Editor can change the type
  353. pep. You mean with it staying ”0392”?
  354. Zash Nah, redoing this would be a new number
  355. pep. OK so we're saying the same thing
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  357. Zash > The XMPP Council may, at its discretion, decide to convert an Historical XEP into a Standards Track XEP if [...] So there's a tiny bit of precedent for changing type.
  358. lskdjf jonas’, yes indeed, that's much better now! Thanks for the edits 🙂
  359. lskdjf Only thing is I agree with larma about "Implementations SHOULD allow the user to turn off any colorization completely." - I also don't allow the user to turn off button hover effects or that nicks are written in bold text. To my (limited!) knowledge about color vision deficits this should be fine, but especially when allowing to select correction having colors shouldn't be any problem.
  360. moparisthebest SHOULD isn't a MUST, you MAY just ignore it
  361. jonas’ lskdjf, this is about a different accessibility thing, which has to do with distraction, IIRC
  362. jonas’ and yeah, also that I’m certain that there will be facets of CVDs which simply can’t be accounted for, or interactions between CVDs and contrast ratios which make things weird/tricky
  363. Ge0rG Shouldn't that be an OS level thing, like done on iOS? I have a family member with color blindness and an iPhone, and you can't imagine how happy they were when I showed that setting
  364. jonas’ Ge0rG, it should, but until we have that ....
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  366. jonas’ (also, if an app prepares for that by doing the right thing right away, it may degrade a bit nicer? I don’t know)
  367. Ge0rG Where are all the accessibility gnomes?
  368. jonas’ hah
  369. lskdjf Ge0rG, what does iOS do? Correct the colors? Or disable them?
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  371. Zash jonas’, if the OS fiddles with the color space in the same way that the algorithm does, it might get done twice and I don't think that'll look nice
  372. jonas’ Zash, true
  373. Ge0rG lskdjf: it has a set of different color filters that you can choose from, globally for all apps
  374. Ge0rG This is most important for display of photos and video
  375. Ge0rG http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/09/enable-screen-filters-help-color-blindness-ios-10.html has screenshots
  376. Zash Tho if the OS has that, it should probably provide some API that lets the app know it doesn't have to deal with it, or something.
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  379. jonas’ "Am I running on iOS?" -> Don’t have to deal with it, apparently
  380. moparisthebest android also has a color blind setting
  381. moparisthebest https://burtrum.org/up/10ca549e-7bd6-47a2-bb52-e314017947c3/yDHbMJa2QGqayvDSoU4jYw.jpg
  382. moparisthebest called "Color correction" you even get to pick the type of colorblindness you have, that's a screenshot from my phone
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  390. larma Color correction will *not* fix everything for you, it will certainly help, especially if it's "only" an anomaly instead of full blindness, but it is still way better to handle it at application level if possible
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  402. moparisthebest unless like Zash said that is made worse by OS-level Color Correction
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  426. pep. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21274160
  427. fippo cisco jabber?
  428. fippo I thought cisco had killed that one :-)
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  431. Zash Where did you get Cisco from?
  432. fippo zash: I have a very vivid memory of the towel dispensers in the bathroom at the cisco office during the ... 2013 summit
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  434. fippo which advertised cisco jabber video as THE BEST THING EVER
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  470. Kev I'm inside your network.
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