XSF Discussion - 2019-10-31

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09:56:44 David Cridland Zash, While I appreciate your Council candidacy page, I feel I should remind you that XEP-0028 was found not to be conformant to RFC 5823 - though this was later revisited in RFC 6634.
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10:03:08 Guus https://igniterealtime.org:443/httpfileupload/cde5951a-4db5-484b-92d0-7ba01b854fb3/image.png
10:04:33 !XSF_Martin You have to reapply every three month?
10:06:07 Dave Cridland Every year.
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10:07:47 !XSF_Martin Ok, that's IMHO more reasonable than quarterly.
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14:31:31 ralphm bangs gavel
14:31:36 ralphm 0. Welcome + Agenda
14:31:37 ralphm Hi!
14:31:52 MattJ o/
14:32:07 Seve Hi
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14:34:13 ralphm Guus, nyco?
14:34:47 Seve nyco may not be available, as he had a meeting happening at the same time
14:34:57 Dave Cridland can take minutes.
14:35:12 MattJ <3
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14:35:55 ralphm Dave Cridland: thanks!
14:35:59 ralphm ok, let's go then
14:36:16 ralphm 1. Publicize XSF Financials
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14:36:39 ralphm I'm +1 on this, too, for the record.
14:36:47 ralphm Can we move this item off the board?
14:36:53 MattJ I think so, yes
14:37:23 Seve Yes
14:37:37 ralphm 2. Board / Council Elections
14:37:46 ralphm Current state: 5 for board, 4 for council.
14:38:00 ralphm I read that Guus was going to write a blog post on this?
14:38:24 Guus Ohh, forgot about time
14:38:25 Guus I'm here
14:38:27 Guus sorry
14:38:36 ralphm Guus: DST hell?
14:38:48 Guus No, just busy
14:38:56 MattJ https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/626
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14:39:18 Guus blogpost: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/626
14:39:41 Guus Either suggest improvements, or we'll merge here/now?
14:39:48 ralphm Right. So What's the holdup? I notice we're only days away from the deadline.
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14:40:08 Guus There was a request for improvements - I gave feedback, and forgot about the entire thing
14:41:08 ralphm Ok.
14:41:42 Guus Is this good to go, even though pep. asked for a change?
14:41:57 ralphm I understand his comment, was trying to come up with an alternative.
14:42:21 Guus (we did use this exact wording before - I stole it from an older blogpost)
14:42:48 ralphm Yeah, I don't think it is that much of a problem.
14:43:04 ralphm I say just publish it as-is, we don't have more time to wordsmith.
14:43:30 Seve I think it is debatable the time we spend.
14:43:41 Seve Is not a fixed amount of time, I would say.
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14:44:20 ralphm Indeed, some weeks more than others.
14:44:35 Guus That is to much information for such a blogpost.
14:45:08 Guus If what we have is not terribly wrong, let's merge and move on.
14:45:44 ralphm ok
14:45:47 ralphm Let's go
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14:46:39 ralphm 3. Review of Roadmap
14:47:08 ralphm I've just started my new job at Elastic, so yay.
14:47:17 ralphm But didn't get to this.
14:47:17 Guus congrats
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14:47:29 Seve Congratulations ralphm!
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14:47:52 ralphm Will look at it for now +2W, will be in Canada next week.
14:48:44 ralphm 4. AOB
14:48:52 Seve None here
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14:49:32 ralphm FYI, I put in a request for the Realtime Lounge at FOSDEM 2020 again.
14:49:47 Guus Let's hope we can get more space this year!
14:49:48 ralphm Also reminding them of the desire to have more space.
14:49:52 ralphm Right
14:50:10 Guus If someone has ideas for the lounge - this might be a good idea to start working on them
14:50:14 Guus (swag, folders, etc)
14:50:25 Guus If someone has ideas for the lounge - this might be a good tie to start working on them
14:50:26 ralphm Definitely. Also demos.
14:50:36 Guus If someone has ideas for the lounge - this might be a good time to start working on them
14:50:46 Guus (I can't type today)
14:50:51 ralphm no worries
14:51:01 ralphm Ok, if that's it, then:
14:51:10 ralphm 5 Date of Next
14:51:16 ralphm +1W
14:51:22 Guus +1 works for me
14:51:25 MattJ +1
14:51:27 Seve +1
14:51:29 ralphm (but I won't be there, maybe)
14:51:35 Guus kk
14:51:40 ralphm 6. Close
14:51:46 ralphm Happy Halloween!
14:51:51 MattJ :)
14:51:51 ralphm And thanks all.
14:51:54 MattJ Thanks ralphm
14:51:59 ralphm bangs gavel
14:52:23 Guus thanks!
14:52:58 Seve Thank you guys!
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15:05:41 Dave Cridland Guus, ralphm - bottle openers, this time with "Open as in Beer" on them?
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15:06:00 Guus wfm 🙂
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15:06:16 ralphm Dude
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15:08:02 Guus Can we think of something something 'Open as in Speech' too? 🙂
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15:33:57 Dave Cridland Pens?
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15:38:28 Guus https://xmpp.org/2019/10/xsf-board-and-council-2019-2020-elections/ is now up, if people want to refer to it in call to actions of their own.
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15:57:23 Ge0rG Is "Proxy voting" an established term outside of the XSF.
15:57:36 Ge0rG Is "Proxy voting" an established term outside of the XSF?
15:58:04 MattJ Yes
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17:13:42 LNJ Does anyone know whether there is a good reference implementation for parsing the XMPP-URIs (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5122 ) ?
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18:02:21 MattJ Any URI parser should do
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18:35:29 Ge0rG Don't forget to url encode them properly
18:36:39 Ge0rG Rooms in matrix and irc start with #, which is a special character in URLs
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18:42:44 LNJ Ok, i think it works now with proper escaping with Qt's QUrl/QUrlQuery
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20:06:55 Link Mauve What do we currently have for collaborative edition? XEP-0284 for XML, kind of XEP-0301 but that’s only for our own messages, anything else?
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20:15:10 Zash What's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0204.html
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20:17:51 moparisthebest > This JEP
20:18:07 moparisthebest never noticed that before, wonder how often that happens...
20:18:08 pep. Ah that one. I discovered it a few days ago
20:21:53 Link Mauve Zash, my usecase is a collaborative plain text editor.
20:22:18 Link Mauve Ideally that’ll also be compatible with other collaborative editors, like Inkscape or so.
20:25:03 Zash What's the stuff in Abiword even? IIRC that's XMPP based.
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20:25:30 Link Mauve I’ll have a look.
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20:26:21 Link Mauve Hum, https://www.abisource.com/developers/download.phtml doesn’t support TLS 1.2, and Firefox doesn’t support anything lower nowadays.
20:26:46 moparisthebest "JEP" is only used in in XEP-204, guess it should probably be changed
20:27:02 Zash Patch it
20:27:22 moparisthebest it's in a couple other ones too, but only "JEP to XEP", 0001 talking about what they used to be called, and in the middle of a base64 image, so those don't count
20:28:09 Zash Hah
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20:30:17 Link Mauve Zash, they’re using Telepathy tubes it seems.
20:30:23 Zash Right
20:30:27 Link Mauve I have no recollection of which protocol they are using.
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20:36:48 Link Mauve And here I am, writing threaded C++ code. :(
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20:52:28 Zash Link Mauve, libinfinity btw
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20:55:36 Link Mauve Hmm, I wonder if it might be a better fit than XMPP for this purpose.
20:56:33 Link Mauve Seems quite abandonned though. :/
20:57:17 Link Mauve There are commits from 2015 on the first page, and the latest commit is from 1.5 years ago. :x
20:57:49 Link Mauve Their API documentation is down too: http://infinote.0x539.de/libinfinity/API/libinftext/
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20:59:40 Link Mauve Their automake script even fails…
21:08:05 Link Mauve And now I’m missing Rust a lot, message passing without pattern matching makes me very sad.
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21:43:47 rion Hah one of my subordinates whines every day how terrible c++ in comparison to Rust but he still has to use c++ with boost because of the current project. I don't even know what to answer but I agree with him just wrt boost :)
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21:46:08 rion > And here I am, writing threaded C++ code. :( I hope it's some cool PRECIS implementation 😁
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23:03:50 pep. From XEP-0001, <xs:element name='authornote' type='empty' minOccurs='0'/>, what's this type empty? Is this a hack for something I don't understand? It seems to allow only the empty string value.
23:04:09 pep. hmm. It seems to add a link to an authornote anchor if it exists.
23:05:35 pep. Where are booleans when you need them
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