still feel we should do something about the MAM stanza-id rules
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right now it says the id must be unique within an archive
lovetox
which is good, i hope all server implementations considered the case that the server database is wiped or server is new setup
lovetox
the new ids in the new installation must not clash with old ids from the old installation
lovetox
because only because i wipe a database on the server does not mean its wiped on the client
lovetox
i know ejabberd uses a timestamp
lovetox
dont know what prosody uses
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probably a uuid so also fine
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Daniel
jonas’: do you relay on roominfo_occupants or do you do a disco items on the room or something?
Zash
I would guess the former
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Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons.
pep.
Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect?
Daniel
> Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect?
I'm about to find out
pep.
It's a floating number, it's not accurate at all times
pep.
That's on purpose
Zash
Moving average iirc
pep.
Right that
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Ah. On the search you mean. No thats fine.
Daniel
I'm discoing my own server and are wondering if I can actually do something useful with that number
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> Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons.
All rooms or just private ones?
Zash
All.
Zash
Code deleted is best code.
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sight. i never wanted to implement 'local muc' discovery because I thought it would be 95% garbage/empty or unaccesible mucs. however it might be useful for some very special in-house deployments and therefor I implemented it; now i’m frustrated about seeing 95% garbage mucs on the servers that i've tested this with…
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Zash
Mmmmmmmmmmmyeah.
Zash
I had toughts about garbage collection
Daniel
Can I discover that I have admin priveleges on the server?
Zash
Maybe
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Daniel
Thinking out loud over a 'destroy channel' in the context menu of that search
Daniel
Without having to join first
Zash
In theory, I think there's something in xep-0030 for admin accounts
Daniel
Also I'm wondering if disco#items on ejabberd lists unlisted rooms that I created
Daniel
Just because I'm wondering why there are so many in my own server
Daniel: Prosody does however expose an ad-hoc command on MUCs to admins for destroying rooms
Daniel
Is that different to normal destroy?
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Daniel: It allows destroying multiple rooms at once. Does the same thing internally tho.
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Daniel
Why are there so many rooms on various public servers that look like the ones auto generated by Conversations. Does the unlisted thing not work?
Zash
Hm?
Daniel
To people deliberately use gajim to make them listed
Daniel
What is going on
Zash
Example?
Daniel
Conversations create group chat has a way of creating random local parts
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lovetox
Daniel, public_list is a custom setting on ejabberd
lovetox
i dont think prosody even has one
Daniel
What?
Zash
Now I'm confused
lovetox
at least my code uses "public_list" in room creation
lovetox
maybe i missed a official option for that?
Zash
Daniel: Can you (ev privately) point me at a public server that shows this?
Daniel
It's called publicroom
Zash
I'm not seeing a lot on the random few I looked at
lovetox
muc#roomconfig_publicroom
lovetox
indeed
lovetox
whats public_list then on ejabberd
lovetox
something different probably
Zash
(Fun fact: It's called 'hidden' internally in Prosody and set to the opposite of muc#roomconfig_publicroom)
Daniel
Zash, never mind. maybe it wasn’t that many after all. on a mobile screen even ~5 look like a lot
Zash
Heh.
lovetox
ah public_list on ejabberd is to hide the member list
lovetox
so you can make the room searchable but dont query who is in it
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https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant, you get all that via presence when you join✎
Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant thing, you get all that via presence when you join ✏
Daniel
i mean browse through the last pages of muclumbus https://search.jabber.network/rooms/29 and you see a few of them (vowel and consonant alternating) - but in the grand scope of things it's probably 'ok' to see a few
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Can it be changed trough Conversations?
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If it's at all possible to flip the 'public' switch then some people will find out and do it.