XSF Discussion - 2019-11-01

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08:48:03 lovetox still feel we should do something about the MAM stanza-id rules
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08:48:43 lovetox right now it says the id must be unique within an archive
08:49:12 lovetox which is good, i hope all server implementations considered the case that the server database is wiped or server is new setup
08:49:38 lovetox the new ids in the new installation must not clash with old ids from the old installation
08:49:59 lovetox because only because i wipe a database on the server does not mean its wiped on the client
08:50:14 lovetox i know ejabberd uses a timestamp
08:50:21 lovetox dont know what prosody uses
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08:54:07 lovetox probably a uuid so also fine
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17:18:58 Daniel jonas’: do you relay on roominfo_occupants or do you do a disco items on the room or something?
17:19:35 Zash I would guess the former
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17:20:15 Zash Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons.
17:21:31 pep. Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect?
17:22:01 Daniel > Daniel, asking because the number is not what you expect? I'm about to find out
17:22:18 pep. It's a floating number, it's not accurate at all times
17:22:21 pep. That's on purpose
17:22:54 Zash Moving average iirc
17:23:16 pep. Right that
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17:23:49 Daniel Ah. On the search you mean. No thats fine.
17:24:19 Daniel I'm discoing my own server and are wondering if I can actually do something useful with that number
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17:24:32 Daniel > Related: Prosody doesn't return occupants on disco#items anymore for privacy reasons. All rooms or just private ones?
17:24:52 Zash All.
17:24:58 Zash Code deleted is best code.
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17:41:53 Daniel sight. i never wanted to implement 'local muc' discovery because I thought it would be 95% garbage/empty or unaccesible mucs. however it might be useful for some very special in-house deployments and therefor I implemented it; now i’m frustrated about seeing 95% garbage mucs on the servers that i've tested this with…
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17:43:54 Zash Mmmmmmmmmmmyeah.
17:44:12 Zash I had toughts about garbage collection
17:45:10 Daniel Can I discover that I have admin priveleges on the server?
17:45:25 Zash Maybe
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17:45:38 Daniel Thinking out loud over a 'destroy channel' in the context menu of that search
17:45:49 Daniel Without having to join first
17:45:54 Zash In theory, I think there's something in xep-0030 for admin accounts
17:47:33 Daniel Also I'm wondering if disco#items on ejabberd lists unlisted rooms that I created
17:47:51 Daniel Just because I'm wondering why there are so many in my own server
17:48:41 Zash https://xmpp.org/registrar/disco-categories.html#account
17:49:09 Zash Doesn't look like Prosody does that tho :(
17:49:16 Zash I don't know about ejabberd
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17:52:10 Zash Daniel: Prosody does however expose an ad-hoc command on MUCs to admins for destroying rooms
17:52:45 Daniel Is that different to normal destroy?
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17:54:49 Zash Daniel: It allows destroying multiple rooms at once. Does the same thing internally tho.
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17:55:35 Daniel Why are there so many rooms on various public servers that look like the ones auto generated by Conversations. Does the unlisted thing not work?
17:55:56 Zash Hm?
17:55:57 Daniel To people deliberately use gajim to make them listed
17:56:02 Daniel What is going on
17:56:10 Zash Example?
17:56:28 Daniel Conversations create group chat has a way of creating random local parts
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18:08:06 lovetox Daniel, public_list is a custom setting on ejabberd
18:08:11 lovetox i dont think prosody even has one
18:08:25 Daniel What?
18:08:35 Zash Now I'm confused
18:08:48 lovetox at least my code uses "public_list" in room creation
18:09:02 lovetox maybe i missed a official option for that?
18:09:09 Zash Daniel: Can you (ev privately) point me at a public server that shows this?
18:09:49 Daniel It's called publicroom
18:09:52 Zash I'm not seeing a lot on the random few I looked at
18:09:59 lovetox muc#roomconfig_publicroom
18:10:02 lovetox indeed
18:10:08 lovetox whats public_list then on ejabberd
18:10:14 lovetox something different probably
18:11:17 Zash (Fun fact: It's called 'hidden' internally in Prosody and set to the opposite of muc#roomconfig_publicroom)
18:12:15 Daniel Zash, never mind. maybe it wasn’t that many after all. on a mobile screen even ~5 look like a lot
18:12:30 Zash Heh.
18:12:58 lovetox ah public_list on ejabberd is to hide the member list
18:13:15 lovetox so you can make the room searchable but dont query who is in it
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18:16:16 Zash ~~https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant, you get all that via presence when you join~~ ✎
18:16:25 Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roomitems MAY for a somewhat redundant thing, you get all that via presence when you join ✏
18:16:55 Daniel i mean browse through the last pages of muclumbus https://search.jabber.network/rooms/29 and you see a few of them (vowel and consonant alternating) - but in the grand scope of things it's probably 'ok' to see a few
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18:22:11 Zash Can it be changed trough Conversations?
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18:25:47 Zash If it's at all possible to flip the 'public' switch then some people will find out and do it.
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