XSF Discussion - 2019-11-02

  1. debxwoody

    I think it would be helpful to have more provider at https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Provider_Recommendations

  2. Daniel

    debxwoody, it’s a wiki. you can add servers

  3. debxwoody

    Daniel: OK, I will check with the provider and fill the page 👍

  4. Ge0rG

    (I'm sure I sound grumpy and bitter, but those criteria sound like the page should be renamed to "Conversations server recommendations")

  5. Daniel

    It's not like someone has come forward with a better proposal

  6. Zash

    Yaxim server recommendations.

  7. !XSF_Martin

    There is a yaxim compliance tester.

  8. Daniel

    Would yaxim server recommendations be significantly different is the question

  9. debxwoody

    It is difficult to recommend a provider. There are different needs for different people. Keep it open, like "XMPP Provider" and put the important information on top as description and some information within the list. The user can use.

  10. debxwoody


  11. Ge0rG

    Daniel [13:24]: > Would yaxim server recommendations be significantly different is the question Generalized, the question should be: what are the XEPs that should be part of a Compliance Suite that can be followed by server operators.

  12. Daniel

    Isn't the 2020 compliance suite and the criteria on that page almost identical?

  13. Ge0rG

    Maybe somebody should check.

  14. Ge0rG

    It's Last Call after all!

  15. Daniel

    You started complaining / implying that this is not the case the assumed you did that beforehand

  16. Ge0rG

    Let's see what's missing. IBR isn't listed in CS, but probably should be added to Core IM. I'm sure that will cause more controversy about closed deployments, but supporting is not the same as enabling it, I suppose.

  17. Zash

    Supported ≠ Deployed

  18. Zash

    Oh right you said that.

  19. Ge0rG

    0065 is required by the Conversations tester, but not in the CS. What should I do with that?

  20. Ge0rG

    0160 would be a good addition to CS

  21. Ge0rG

    0384... It's not even a server feature, is it? The Conversations tester is mapping that to what? PEP publishing options?

  22. Daniel


  23. Daniel

    Or broken ejabberd configurations

  24. Ge0rG

    0156 happens absolutely outside of xmpp as it is used. Should that be part of Advanced Web?

  25. Ge0rG

    How would I add PEP publishing options to the CS?

  26. Daniel

    It isn't part of advanced web yet?

  27. Daniel

    Or basic web even

  28. Ge0rG

    The above is a list of all differences I've found. Daniel, as the maintainer of the Compliance Tester, I'd absolutely love to hear your recommendations on how to change the CS, on standards@

  29. Ge0rG

    Not mentioned at all

  30. Daniel

    Also it is for now just an informational test

  31. Daniel

    Same as ibr

  32. Ge0rG

    But IBR is required in the wiki page

  33. jonas’

    Daniel, I rely on roominfo_occupants, yes. The number on the search is a moving average.

  34. Daniel

    > But IBR is required in the wiki page Is that an unreasonable ask from a list of provider recommendations?

  35. Daniel

    That you can actually sign up?

  36. Zash

    Does it suppor the thing in IBR where it can give you an URL instead?

  37. Daniel


  38. Ge0rG

    Daniel: not at all. And it's not unreasonable to add IBR to CS. Probably with a remark about spammer accounts and 0157

  39. Daniel

    The provider recommendation thing says that's ok

  40. Ge0rG

    Daniel: do you have detailed information on how far the uptime measurement bot got / what the reasons for failing were? I'm interested in why yax.im is below 99

  41. Ge0rG

    I assume it's too cpu loaded to react to all requests within 10s, but data is better than guesses

  42. Ge0rG

    Kev: is there an exhaustive list of allowed presence annotations for XEP-0310?

  43. Kev

    Blimey. I'd completely forgotten writing that. That was a long time ago.

  44. Ge0rG

    Kev: it obviously needs a way to be extended with own-namespace conditions, and neither stanza errors nor stream errors seem an appropriate fill-in.

  45. Ge0rG

    But it would be nice to have a 0280 hibernated marker.

  46. Ge0rG

    It would also be nice if somebody from the prosody team implemented it in mod_smacks :D

  47. Kev

    If you've got a use for it and would like to see it updated, please feel free.

  48. Ge0rG

    Kev: bummer. The last time I took over authorship of a XEP didn't end well.

  49. Zash


  50. Zash


  51. Ge0rG

    Zash: you know you can just /ping the MUC?

  52. Zash

    /how does this even work

  53. Zash

    Ge0rG, does /ping work in Dino?

  54. Zash

    pep., can you hear me?

  55. Ge0rG

    Zash: you can make it happen!

  56. Ge0rG

    Or just use a full featured client.

  57. Ge0rG

    Or lament on standards@ to make ping required by CS 2020

  58. Ge0rG

    So many options!