Wait what https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html#impl-ns
Zash
> The use of namespace prefixes is RECOMMENDED for large forms, to reduce the data size.
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SCAM is having their first regular meeting (in some time) in xmpp:scam@muc.xmpp.org?join at 4 CET (3 UTC) every first tuesday of the month (today). Don't hesitate to join.
pep.
I don't guarantee anything fancy
jonas’
do you guarantee scamming?
pep.
:)
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Ge0rG
luckily there is no SPAM WG
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Link Mauve
debxwoody, gloox is pre-C++11 C++, I’m not sure I’ll be able to survive that.
Link Mauve
I just tried upstreaming the SXE module I already wrote.
Link Mauve
But it requires changing almost all of it.
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Kev
Swiften's only C++11 at the moment, although it'll be 14 'soon', and hopefully can move to 17 after that.
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Kev
But 03->11 is the biggest jump that's hard to cope without, I think.
Link Mauve
Ok, I’m sold, I’ll try with Swiften instead. ^^
Link Mauve
Here I was complaining about the lack of pattern matching in C++, but if I have to go back to C++03 nothanks.
Kev
Then you can just swear at us for being the only people on Earth to use scons.
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Link Mauve
:(
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rion
And Boost is a nightmare ;) the worst documentation ever. Extremely slow to compile any project based on it. Totally unreadable heavily-templated code.
Honestly I don't know how Swiften devs live with it =)
Kev
I think the documentation is far from the worst ever. But it's often not quick to compile, yeah. And the code is pretty much unreadable, but thankfull you don't need to.✎
Kev
I think the documentation is far from the worst ever. But it's often not quick to compile, yeah. And the code is pretty much unreadable, but thankfully you don't need to. ✏
Kev
And C++11 got rid of most of the boost templates from Swiften.
rion
Switching from regular c++ to c++Boost is like switching to erlang with zero knowledge of functional programming.
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rion
I often have to read these crappy boost templates because asio docs never have information I need
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Damn, it's Tuesday and I haven't managed to incorporate Last Call feedback into CS-2020
Kev
Isn't there another week on the LC?
Kev
Please don't say I've lost a week.
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Ge0rG
Kev: you've lost a week.
Kev
Bugger.
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rion
Link Mauve: use any Qt-based xmpp lib. 7Mb of shared libraries and you will be the happiest developer ever :)
Link Mauve
I’m not sure upstream will be very happy with Qt. :/
Link Mauve
They use GLFW for windowing currently.
moparisthebest
I'm not sure I could ever write C++ again after Rust
jonas’
moparisthebest, it was easy to go back for me
Link Mauve
moparisthebest, it is extremely hard. :x
rion
Qt Core+Network do not depend on anything GUI-related
rion
so why not
moparisthebest
uh without wanting to injure myself*
jonas’
moparisthebest, having done rust and golang and C++, I’m currently most happy at C++
moparisthebest
ew have you been mentally evaluated? haha
Ge0rG
the maps.me android app seems to depend on Qt. It's also huuuuge. But it's also fast, the only alternative map rendering app that can compete with Google Maps
Link Mauve
I’ve never tried Go, but for the other two I have a very strong preference towards Rust.
moparisthebest
Ge0rG, what about OsmAnd+ ?
jonas’
it’s slow
Link Mauve
Everything is just so much more comfy there.
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Ge0rG
moparisthebest: what jonas’ said. It's faster than mapsforge, and better rendered, but it's still slow
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Ge0rG
I urgently need a maps library that I can plug into my Android app and that supports offline maps
moparisthebest
I haven't had problems with OsmAnd+ but I haven't tried maps.me either, guess I will now though thanks!
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Ge0rG
moparisthebest: there is a no-hotel-ads version on f-droid
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moparisthebest
I only use F-droid, don't even have google play services
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pep.
To trello gurus, is there a way to reference an item in another?
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jonas’
just paste a link into it maybe?
pep.
I don't know where to get that link
jonas’
open an item, copy URL?
jonas’
like, from your browser
pep.
ah, just have to open the thing yeah..
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rion
Does any client implement stanza content encryption?
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Stanza Content Encryption by itself is useless
pep.
There's no XEP that use it yet
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Link Mauve
Shouldn’t OX be changed to use that?
pep.
It should
pep.
OMEMO2 should also be started at some point to use that
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Ge0rG
Before or after OMEMO1 is finished?
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pep.
will it ever
Zash
Finished as in gone?
pep.
with omemo2 I mean whatever namespace bump is required to fix things
pep.
So if there is namespace bump, might as well add SCE
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flow
Did the voting mechanism of memberbot change? Wasn't it previously yes/no questions? Is the order of any relevance?
flow
Uh, and where's the source? :)
Daniel
I think the yes/no style is only for members
Daniel
I don't think the order matters. It would be fun to switch to ranked voting or how ever that is called
pep.
flow, https://github.com/legastero/memberbot I believe that's the source
pep.
And the order of applicants is supposed to be random