XSF Discussion - 2019-11-05

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07:42:51 flow na, time is relative
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07:56:24 Guus You're not moving _that_ fast
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08:21:59 jonas’ Guus, in which frame of reference?
08:22:11 Guus badum-tisss
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11:00:03 Zash Wait what https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html#impl-ns
11:00:16 Zash > The use of namespace prefixes is RECOMMENDED for large forms, to reduce the data size.
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11:24:32 pep. SCAM is having their first regular meeting (in some time) in xmpp:scam@muc.xmpp.org?join at 4 CET (3 UTC) every first tuesday of the month (today). Don't hesitate to join.
11:24:37 pep. I don't guarantee anything fancy
11:24:51 jonas’ do you guarantee scamming?
11:25:16 pep. :)
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12:10:13 Ge0rG luckily there is no SPAM WG
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15:37:35 Link Mauve debxwoody, gloox is pre-C++11 C++, I’m not sure I’ll be able to survive that.
15:37:49 Link Mauve I just tried upstreaming the SXE module I already wrote.
15:37:57 Link Mauve But it requires changing almost all of it.
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15:38:37 Kev Swiften's only C++11 at the moment, although it'll be 14 'soon', and hopefully can move to 17 after that.
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15:39:03 Kev But 03->11 is the biggest jump that's hard to cope without, I think.
15:39:36 Link Mauve Ok, I’m sold, I’ll try with Swiften instead. ^^
15:41:07 Link Mauve Here I was complaining about the lack of pattern matching in C++, but if I have to go back to C++03 nothanks.
15:41:18 Kev Then you can just swear at us for being the only people on Earth to use scons.
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15:48:29 Link Mauve :(
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16:52:53 rion And Boost is a nightmare ;) the worst documentation ever. Extremely slow to compile any project based on it. Totally unreadable heavily-templated code. Honestly I don't know how Swiften devs live with it =)
16:54:23 Kev ~~I think the documentation is far from the worst ever. But it's often not quick to compile, yeah. And the code is pretty much unreadable, but thankfull you don't need to.~~ ✎
16:54:35 Kev I think the documentation is far from the worst ever. But it's often not quick to compile, yeah. And the code is pretty much unreadable, but thankfully you don't need to. ✏
16:54:47 Kev And C++11 got rid of most of the boost templates from Swiften.
16:54:52 rion Switching from regular c++ to c++Boost is like switching to erlang with zero knowledge of functional programming.
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16:56:16 rion I often have to read these crappy boost templates because asio docs never have information I need
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16:57:12 Ge0rG Damn, it's Tuesday and I haven't managed to incorporate Last Call feedback into CS-2020
16:57:40 Kev Isn't there another week on the LC?
16:57:44 Kev Please don't say I've lost a week.
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16:57:49 Ge0rG Kev: you've lost a week.
16:57:52 Kev Bugger.
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17:07:02 rion Link Mauve: use any Qt-based xmpp lib. 7Mb of shared libraries and you will be the happiest developer ever :)
17:07:39 Link Mauve I’m not sure upstream will be very happy with Qt. :/
17:07:57 Link Mauve They use GLFW for windowing currently.
17:08:00 moparisthebest I'm not sure I could ever write C++ again after Rust
17:08:07 jonas’ moparisthebest, it was easy to go back for me
17:08:10 Link Mauve moparisthebest, it is extremely hard. :x
17:08:19 rion Qt Core+Network do not depend on anything GUI-related
17:08:22 rion so why not
17:08:31 moparisthebest uh without wanting to injure myself*
17:08:46 jonas’ moparisthebest, having done rust and golang and C++, I’m currently most happy at C++
17:09:04 moparisthebest ew have you been mentally evaluated? haha
17:09:12 Ge0rG the maps.me android app seems to depend on Qt. It's also huuuuge. But it's also fast, the only alternative map rendering app that can compete with Google Maps
17:09:41 Link Mauve I’ve never tried Go, but for the other two I have a very strong preference towards Rust.
17:09:45 moparisthebest Ge0rG, what about OsmAnd+ ?
17:09:49 jonas’ it’s slow
17:09:51 Link Mauve Everything is just so much more comfy there.
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17:14:10 Ge0rG moparisthebest: what jonas’ said. It's faster than mapsforge, and better rendered, but it's still slow
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17:14:41 Ge0rG I urgently need a maps library that I can plug into my Android app and that supports offline maps
17:15:01 moparisthebest I haven't had problems with OsmAnd+ but I haven't tried maps.me either, guess I will now though thanks!
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17:16:39 Ge0rG moparisthebest: there is a no-hotel-ads version on f-droid
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17:17:51 moparisthebest I only use F-droid, don't even have google play services
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18:12:15 pep. To trello gurus, is there a way to reference an item in another?
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18:20:01 jonas’ just paste a link into it maybe?
18:20:20 pep. I don't know where to get that link
18:20:27 jonas’ open an item, copy URL?
18:20:31 jonas’ like, from your browser
18:20:33 pep. ah, just have to open the thing yeah..
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19:01:31 rion Does any client implement stanza content encryption?
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19:04:35 pep. Stanza Content Encryption by itself is useless
19:04:41 pep. There's no XEP that use it yet
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19:05:05 Link Mauve Shouldn’t OX be changed to use that?
19:06:14 pep. It should
19:06:27 pep. OMEMO2 should also be started at some point to use that
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19:08:00 Ge0rG Before or after OMEMO1 is finished?
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19:12:09 pep. will it ever
19:12:32 Zash Finished as in gone?
19:12:42 pep. with omemo2 I mean whatever namespace bump is required to fix things
19:13:43 pep. So if there is namespace bump, might as well add SCE
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21:33:25 flow Did the voting mechanism of memberbot change? Wasn't it previously yes/no questions? Is the order of any relevance?
21:33:39 flow Uh, and where's the source? :)
21:36:37 Daniel I think the yes/no style is only for members
21:37:16 Daniel I don't think the order matters. It would be fun to switch to ranked voting or how ever that is called
21:38:53 pep. flow, https://github.com/legastero/memberbot I believe that's the source
21:39:07 pep. And the order of applicants is supposed to be random
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