XSF Discussion - 2019-11-05

na, time is relative

You're not moving _that_ fast

Guus, in which frame of reference?

badum-tisss

Wait what https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html#impl-ns

> The use of namespace prefixes is RECOMMENDED for large forms, to reduce the data size.

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I don't guarantee anything fancy

do you guarantee scamming?

:)

luckily there is no SPAM WG

debxwoody, gloox is pre-C++11 C++, I’m not sure I’ll be able to survive that.

I just tried upstreaming the SXE module I already wrote.

But it requires changing almost all of it.

Swiften's only C++11 at the moment, although it'll be 14 'soon', and hopefully can move to 17 after that.

But 03->11 is the biggest jump that's hard to cope without, I think.

Ok, I’m sold, I’ll try with Swiften instead. ^^

Here I was complaining about the lack of pattern matching in C++, but if I have to go back to C++03 nothanks.

Then you can just swear at us for being the only people on Earth to use scons.

:(

And Boost is a nightmare ;) the worst documentation ever. Extremely slow to compile any project based on it. Totally unreadable heavily-templated code. Honestly I don't know how Swiften devs live with it =)

I think the documentation is far from the worst ever. But it's often not quick to compile, yeah. And the code is pretty much unreadable, but thankfully you don't need to. ✏

And C++11 got rid of most of the boost templates from Swiften.

Switching from regular c++ to c++Boost is like switching to erlang with zero knowledge of functional programming.

I often have to read these crappy boost templates because asio docs never have information I need

Damn, it's Tuesday and I haven't managed to incorporate Last Call feedback into CS-2020

Isn't there another week on the LC?

Please don't say I've lost a week.

Kev: you've lost a week.

Bugger.

Link Mauve: use any Qt-based xmpp lib. 7Mb of shared libraries and you will be the happiest developer ever :)

I’m not sure upstream will be very happy with Qt. :/

They use GLFW for windowing currently.

I'm not sure I could ever write C++ again after Rust

moparisthebest, it was easy to go back for me

moparisthebest, it is extremely hard. :x

Qt Core+Network do not depend on anything GUI-related

so why not

uh without wanting to injure myself*

moparisthebest, having done rust and golang and C++, I’m currently most happy at C++

ew have you been mentally evaluated? haha

the maps.me android app seems to depend on Qt. It's also huuuuge. But it's also fast, the only alternative map rendering app that can compete with Google Maps

I’ve never tried Go, but for the other two I have a very strong preference towards Rust.

Ge0rG, what about OsmAnd+ ?

it’s slow

Everything is just so much more comfy there.

moparisthebest: what jonas’ said. It's faster than mapsforge, and better rendered, but it's still slow

I urgently need a maps library that I can plug into my Android app and that supports offline maps

I haven't had problems with OsmAnd+ but I haven't tried maps.me either, guess I will now though thanks!

moparisthebest: there is a no-hotel-ads version on f-droid

I only use F-droid, don't even have google play services

To trello gurus, is there a way to reference an item in another?

just paste a link into it maybe?

I don't know where to get that link

open an item, copy URL?

like, from your browser

ah, just have to open the thing yeah..

Does any client implement stanza content encryption?

Stanza Content Encryption by itself is useless

There's no XEP that use it yet

Shouldn’t OX be changed to use that?

It should

OMEMO2 should also be started at some point to use that

Before or after OMEMO1 is finished?

will it ever

Finished as in gone?

with omemo2 I mean whatever namespace bump is required to fix things

So if there is namespace bump, might as well add SCE

Did the voting mechanism of memberbot change? Wasn't it previously yes/no questions? Is the order of any relevance?

Uh, and where's the source? :)

I think the yes/no style is only for members

I don't think the order matters. It would be fun to switch to ranked voting or how ever that is called

flow, https://github.com/legastero/memberbot I believe that's the source

And the order of applicants is supposed to be random