XSF Discussion - 2019-11-18

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21562261 got a few remarks about XMPP there

it's on HN first page

Nice :)

edhelas: Funny remark about the name, never thought of a Vim fork 🙂

And wasn't aware of the acronym.

Actually Vim is a fork of Movim 🤫

Vim is what happens if you rewrite Movim in C?

yup, we also ported the "can't escape feature", we call it the "Schrödinger's MUC presence"

edhelas: Have you tried not mentioning XMPP some time, see how people react?

"is it based on Matrix" :p ?

but yes it's an idea, I'm also presenting the project as a simple "communication platform" when i feel that the whole XMPP thing is too technical

JSON in websockets https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21563294 \o/ here we go

Of course the hardest part is the XML we all know

edhelas, I second Zash's suggestion - you'll observe that >90% of the discussion is related to XMPP, and almost none of it is about Movim or any of the things Movim can do

HN is a specific type of audience who have a love/hate relationship with XMPP - but as far as Movim is concerned, I don't think any of that baggage is very relevant

yeah

Well it's also compatible with Sàt

Say it is built on top of the XMPP network, or supports federation via XMPP, or whatever

in the small print on the website

yeah. Also what I have in mind

But "XMPP client" in the title is just asking for people to judge the project based on what their prior experience of XMPP is, not their experience of Movim

One has to recognize that XMPP is not good branding in the open world

or what they think other people’s experience with XMPP was.

Funny that the rest of the discussion that is relevant to Movim is about how the name is too easily confused with vim, and must be changed if at all possible

I can see that really confusing my family members if I set it up for them

MattJ thanks for the feedback, next time I'll remove the XMPP mention and see how it goes yeah :)

Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21563600

I think this uses ConverseJS. Converse is not a full featured client on its own, and will require your own websocket-enabled proxy most of the time since BOSH is rarely enabled." people being wrong on the internet..

FUD, on HN? Never!

edhelas, in any case, I haven't said it yet - congratulations :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21564191

MattJ, ^ :P

:)

Yeah, grats edhelas

pff, it got below the whole XMPP debate again..

https://dev.to/dwd/sending-a-message-mmc <-- Comments and corrections welcome.

english question: "everywhere where", is this common?

Hmmm. I can probably make that "everywhere", indeed.

I think so yes

Done, thanks.

I meant I think that's common, but yea can be removed too

David Cridland: sent you some remarks in private. Also your examples are missing the obvious situation when one message is MIA and the follow-up message gets chat-marker-acked

Ge0rG, I think the principle is that we know if this is likely to have happened via '198 etc.

David Cridland: if we only had s2s 0198

I think we do.

In theory only

There's some questions over resumption, I think, but the basic acking service is solid (and in principle, the need for resumption should be much less).

David Cridland: in principle.

In practice, I'm experiencing multi-hour unidirectional failures between my server and muc.xmpp.org

And all messages sent during such a failure are lost.

dwd, is that another take on https://dev.to/dwd/two-generals-8l5 btw?

pep., Basically. But better written (I hope) and hopefully more encouraging toward XMPP.

Loosely, I think XMPP is "winning" the space I'm calling "Critical Messaging", and I think we can capitalize on this (and move outward into other spaces from there, too).

So discussing message reliability and things through this lens is, I think, a useful marketing message.

David Cridland: what's the target audience? Military contractors?

I still think that we need more high profile users of xmpp listed on our pages

Ge0rG, No, more the crowd that thinks "Well, if it's good enough for...". And yes, it'd be great to get some case studies from high-profile names.

131 i got also problems to talk with Ge0rG and his manyorhernames

(i could doxx right now)

B311: unfortunately, most of my contact info is public, and I only use one name.

Oh. Too late.

Ge0rG: hi

i guess u mis red my message Ge0rG

Surely I did

Tracer(Traceur), You appear to be threatening to publish private data on an individual, is that not what you meant?

i do?

let's ask an `admin` M.

If there was sarcasm involved I must have missed it

wie z.B. der gute K3v

0der !Martin

ausm `kuketz-blog` ne'

Tracer(Traceur): sorry, I'm not a participant of that community, I just lack the time

Ge0rG: be sorry for that bullshit you serve to this community

Yeah, everybody in the XSF hates me.

Ge0rG: No way

What's all this ad hominem for? early christmas?

What did I miss?

(I liked the article, dwd)

pep.: I have no idea.. Apparently somebody thinks I'm somebody else

well that is such a unique name there can only be one in the entire world right?

"my commonName is globally unique" something something X.500 joke

Don't get me started

I've been battling LDAP all day

Well, LDAPs escaping JNDI escaped Java's escaped slashes

That was fun

So much escaping, the slash escapes into your mind!

escaping hell

my favourite of that would be the tab-completion zsh does with fusermount -u

which somehow manages to replace ` 0` in a path with an actual nul byte. on the terminal.

I don’t think I want to know what goes wrong *there*

Ge0rG, He's not annoyed about Jar Jar Binks is he? I could understand that.

David Cridland: you can blame me for many things, but not for Jar Jar.

> 0der !Martin > ausm `kuketz-blog` ne' Wow, but I would be more impressed if you threat to doxx me if I would not be using my real name on my websites and git repos...

!XSF_Martin: no martin

id doxx " Savant " aka CrYpToWl

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