XSF Discussion - 2019-11-27

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  125. jonas’

    as someone else put it: 19:59:48 Peng> https://www.keypointsabout.org/ <- You know a company's in hot water when they set up a bespoke website to say how not evil they are

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  140. Ge0rG

    Come on, they have "Ethos" in their name! How much more ethical can a fund be?

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  153. nyco

    who can simply summarise the state of IRCv3?

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  159. jonas’


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  162. Seve

    That's maybe too short :D

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  169. MattJ

    "Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized

  170. jonas’

    i wonder if the same could be said about XMPP from the perspective of Matrix :)

  171. flow

    Not sure about that. People are working on it, and AFAIKT major clients and servers are invovled, it may take a while, as always in unpaid FOSS development, but I think it will eventually arrive in a weechat near your town

  172. Ge0rG

    jonas’: wouldn't Matrix be the IRCv3 here?

  173. mathieui

    Yeah, addressing its shortcomings while not switching protocols is worthwhile, but users don't care too much afaik

  174. flow

    I don't feel like IRC is going away, which makes me happy and surprises me, given those slacks everwhere, but those appear to be mostly popular in the cooperate world

  175. Ge0rG

    users don't care too much about IRC

  176. jonas’

    IRC is slowly going away to Matrix

  177. Zash

    Is it?

  178. flow

    IRC surely lost users to matrix, but I doubt that it will go away

  179. jonas’

    it is also not-gaining users to Matrix

  180. Ge0rG

    10:27:11 <--- trisma[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection) 10:27:43 <--- cityrolr[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection) 10:27:46 <--- luftlch[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection)

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  182. Ge0rG

    in an irc channel on freenode, just some minutes ago.

  183. Zash

    I can believe new users enter IRC from Matrix.

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  185. Zash

    They're also pretty visible with that marketing [m] mark.

  186. jonas’

    also, some projects which would in the past have set up IRC channels are now going straight to using Matrix rooms

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  188. Ge0rG

    with converse.js being as good as it is, I might switch my projects to XMPP MUCs

  189. Ge0rG

    Zash: which is why I call myself `Ge0rG[x]` in the matrix 🤷

  190. Zash

    Hard-core IRC users will never leave tho

  191. Guus

    mumble mumble xkcd mumble mumble

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  203. nyco

    > "Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized does it apply to XMPP as well?

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  205. Zash

    More like "Too much, too early" there? 🙂

  206. Zash

    Hard to compare a different protocol with protocol extensions.

  207. jonas’

    no. clearly XMPP is superior.

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  210. Zash

    s2s bork

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  217. flow

    nyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch

  218. Zash

    "It works, don't fix it"

  219. Zash

    And people often resist change

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  221. nyco

    flow > nyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch yes, that's more precise, and I assume the same... :)

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  257. debacle

    XSF (and everybody else who has a .org domain) should renew now for the maximum period (10 y), so that at least for that time the price is fixed.

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  260. debacle

    And maybe XSF can ask to establish a .xmpp TLD :-)

  261. Zash

    debacle: The way you ask is by paying some 200k.

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  263. pep.

    What was that new fancy registrar that has lots of more fancy TLDs again? The logo is a pig or sth

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  265. debacle

    https://porkbun.com/products/domains ?

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  267. debacle

    they don't have all TLDs it seems, e.g. I don't see .berlin nor .coop

  268. Zash

    We do have xmpp.com too, right?

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  270. Ge0rG

    Controversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs

  271. pep.

    except .org? (I mean, it's going to be ok for the forseable future probably)

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  276. !XSF_Martin

    > Controversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs Suggestions?

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  278. !XSF_Martin

    All TLDs are probably only available if you let pwgen do the renaming.

  279. nyco

    > Zimpy Zimpy

  280. !XSF_Martin

    Chitchat is not available: https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=chitchat&tlds=&idnLanguage=&csrf_pb=f2665357caa02f1977035bb66ab5e481

  281. !XSF_Martin

    What does zimpy mean? Does it have a meaning?

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  283. Zash

    Based on some attempt at pronouncing XMPP I think

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  286. Seve

    Zimpy is the best name

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  298. debacle

    I prefer Zompy - not yet dead!

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  309. Ge0rG

    Zompie, to make it tastier

  310. Zash


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  353. jonas’

    not dead again

  354. Zash

    Not Dead Yet Protocol

  355. pep.

    Yet another Not Dead Yet Protocol

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  444. calvin

    Hmmm. So I'm implementing an XMPP server, and I'm at the point where I'm sending messages between clients... I'm testing it with gajim (the XML console is really useful for this)... I can see incomming messages in the XML console: ``` <!-- Incoming Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:21:51 PM EST --> <message from="test@localhost/gajim.CD9NEZ09" to="foo@localhost" xmlns="jabber:client"> <body>test</body> <origin-id id="bfcefe01-4573-4e4b-95c0-4d06c61f431a" xmlns="urn:xmpp:sid:0" /> <request xmlns="urn:xmpp:receipts" /> <thread>qcWrRbPgEZtEWtRxcswgkwhDFpAFZiPR</thread> </message> ``` And gajim even seems to reply with receipts... But It doesn't actually display the message received in the chat window. Am I missing something that's necessary in the message stanza? Or maybe some setup (e.g., right now I don't handle presence or anything?) Any thoughts on what *might* be going on, I'm a little uncertain.

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  449. Link Mauve

    calvin, the message isn’t of type="chat", so Gajim wouldn’t display it in a chat window.

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  452. calvin

    Link Mauve, wow, thank you so much. It would have taken me forever to figure out that I was silently dropping the type attribute >_<.

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  455. Link Mauve

    No problem. :)

  456. Link Mauve

    Out of curiousity, what are you writing a new server for?

  457. Link Mauve

    Is it free software already?

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  460. calvin

    Link Mauve, class project. Writing a server in Haskell. They gave us a private repo to work in, but I'll publish it after the class probably.

  461. Link Mauve

    Oh nice!

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  463. calvin

    (not that it'll be pretty or super functional, but I'd maybe like to hack on it until it's fully functional)

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  465. Link Mauve

    (Still very nice to have another functional (as in fp) server around. :p)

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  467. calvin

    Yeah, I think a Haskell server has a chance of being very cool :).

  468. pep.

    +1 for functional, and more interested people :)

  469. pep.

    Less for yet another free software project :P

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  478. calvin

    Success! Thanks Link Mauve.

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