XSF Discussion - 2019-11-27

as someone else put it: 19:59:48 Peng> https://www.keypointsabout.org/ <- You know a company's in hot water when they set up a bespoke website to say how not evil they are

Come on, they have "Ethos" in their name! How much more ethical can a fund be?

who can simply summarise the state of IRCv3?

"why?"

That's maybe too short :D

"Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized

i wonder if the same could be said about XMPP from the perspective of Matrix :)

Not sure about that. People are working on it, and AFAIKT major clients and servers are invovled, it may take a while, as always in unpaid FOSS development, but I think it will eventually arrive in a weechat near your town

jonas’: wouldn't Matrix be the IRCv3 here?

Yeah, addressing its shortcomings while not switching protocols is worthwhile, but users don't care too much afaik

I don't feel like IRC is going away, which makes me happy and surprises me, given those slacks everwhere, but those appear to be mostly popular in the cooperate world

users don't care too much about IRC

IRC is slowly going away to Matrix

Is it?

IRC surely lost users to matrix, but I doubt that it will go away

it is also not-gaining users to Matrix

10:27:11 <--- trisma[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection) 10:27:43 <--- cityrolr[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection) 10:27:46 <--- luftlch[m] has left the room (Remote host closed the connection)

in an irc channel on freenode, just some minutes ago.

I can believe new users enter IRC from Matrix.

They're also pretty visible with that marketing [m] mark.

also, some projects which would in the past have set up IRC channels are now going straight to using Matrix rooms

with converse.js being as good as it is, I might switch my projects to XMPP MUCs

Zash: which is why I call myself `Ge0rG[x]` in the matrix 🤷

Hard-core IRC users will never leave tho

mumble mumble xkcd mumble mumble

https://xkcd.com/1782/

> "Too little, too late" combined with the fact that 90% of the people still using IRC don't *want* it to be modernized does it apply to XMPP as well?

More like "Too much, too early" there? 🙂

Hard to compare a different protocol with protocol extensions.

no. clearly XMPP is superior.

s2s bork

nyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch

"It works, don't fix it"

And people often resist change

flow > nyco, I think it's not about not wanting it to be modernized, but not caring that mutch yes, that's more precise, and I assume the same... :)

XSF (and everybody else who has a .org domain) should renew now for the maximum period (10 y), so that at least for that time the price is fixed.

And maybe XSF can ask to establish a .xmpp TLD :-)

debacle: The way you ask is by paying some 200k.

IIRC

What was that new fancy registrar that has lots of more fancy TLDs again? The logo is a pig or sth

https://porkbun.com/products/domains ?

that

they don't have all TLDs it seems, e.g. I don't see .berlin nor .coop

We do have xmpp.com too, right?

Controversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs

except .org? (I mean, it's going to be ok for the forseable future probably)

> Controversial idea: rebrand from Jabber and/or XMPP to a new, unused name where we can have all the domains under all the TLDs Suggestions?

Zimpy

All TLDs are probably only available if you let pwgen do the renaming.

> Zimpy Zimpy

Chitchat is not available: https://porkbun.com/checkout/search?q=chitchat&tlds=&idnLanguage=&csrf_pb=f2665357caa02f1977035bb66ab5e481

What does zimpy mean? Does it have a meaning?

Based on some attempt at pronouncing XMPP I think

Zimpy is the best name

👍

I prefer Zompy - not yet dead!

Zompie, to make it tastier

Brains

not dead again

Not Dead Yet Protocol

Yet another Not Dead Yet Protocol

Hmmm. So I'm implementing an XMPP server, and I'm at the point where I'm sending messages between clients... I'm testing it with gajim (the XML console is really useful for this)... I can see incomming messages in the XML console: ``` <!-- Incoming Wed 27 Nov 2019 01:21:51 PM EST --> <message from="test@localhost/gajim.CD9NEZ09" to="foo@localhost" xmlns="jabber:client"> <body>test</body> <origin-id id="bfcefe01-4573-4e4b-95c0-4d06c61f431a" xmlns="urn:xmpp:sid:0" /> <request xmlns="urn:xmpp:receipts" /> <thread>qcWrRbPgEZtEWtRxcswgkwhDFpAFZiPR</thread> </message> ``` And gajim even seems to reply with receipts... But It doesn't actually display the message received in the chat window. Am I missing something that's necessary in the message stanza? Or maybe some setup (e.g., right now I don't handle presence or anything?) Any thoughts on what *might* be going on, I'm a little uncertain.

calvin, the message isn’t of type="chat", so Gajim wouldn’t display it in a chat window.

Ah!

Link Mauve, wow, thank you so much. It would have taken me forever to figure out that I was silently dropping the type attribute >_<.

No problem. :)

Out of curiousity, what are you writing a new server for?

Is it free software already?

Link Mauve, class project. Writing a server in Haskell. They gave us a private repo to work in, but I'll publish it after the class probably.

Oh nice!

(not that it'll be pretty or super functional, but I'd maybe like to hack on it until it's fully functional)

(Still very nice to have another functional (as in fp) server around. :p)

Yeah, I think a Haskell server has a chance of being very cool :).

+1 for functional, and more interested people :)

Less for yet another free software project :P

https://upload.disgruntledcode.com:5281/upload/bAoHbBr2fNZqmb77/2019-11-27-134555_206x35_scrot.png

Success! Thanks Link Mauve.

nice

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