XSF Discussion - 2019-11-29

Additionally, re .org, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21658324 "IRS Form 13909 can be used to submit complaints about non-profit organizations to the IRS.". "The internet" says the sell might have been illegal even. Now the internet says lots of things, but I'd like to hear more about this :)

(context https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21656960 and one of the comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21658308)

You probably need to be US based to complain.

Do we have us guys? In my perception only Europe is active in xmpp

I had the impression that the XSF is a US nonprofit, but looks like we are missing an imprint

is there a xep for the good old "legacy ssl" port 5223 stuff?

Nope

fippo: no, buuuut... https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html

mattj: that doesn't help arguing with a google person about talk.google.com:5223 :-)

Well if they don't have SRV records...

fippo: what point do you want to make?

ge0rg: that the 5223 stuff is not a ice-tcp pseudossl handshake

Do I even want to know what that is?

only if you're into dirty hacks :-)

normally, I am. But I'm not tough enough for WebRTC and NAT traversal today

Is it possible to get a german mailing list for XMPP User on https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo (e.g. xmpp-user-german)?

fippo what's your take on the success rate of that psuedossl handshake? I've tried to work with it twice, only to find out it didn't fool the corporate firewall it was ment to fool

guus: for webrtc? i've never seen back-to-back comparisons between goog-ssltcp and regular ice-tcp. but in general there are firewalls which block tcp but don't block tls, see https://medium.com/the-making-of-whereby/what-kind-of-turn-server-is-being-used-d67dbfc2ff5d for some numbers

ah, thanks

Which thread mentioned creating a custom protocol for bookmarks?

"Bookmarks 2 extensibility" ?

That seemed to be more about putting custom extensions in a child node somewhere

Anyways, have we learned enough about what the requirements should be to come up with something not hacked onto PEP or private XML storage? 🙂

Seems like group chat is a common enough use case that it's weird that it's not "native" in the way rosters are.

Something something MIX mumble

Some might argue that it's weird we still have a custom protocol for rosters :)

Matrix? It's like the exact opposite.

Don't think you can get someones presence without being in a room with them.

everything is a room in the matrix

Yes. And in Skype. Possibly other things too.

Skype is nit xmpp based? In my company I see my email as identifier on connect so I thought it might be a jid. ✏

I mean everything in Skype (at least in 2009) is a group chat.

!XSF_Martin: there was a time when you could federate from xmpp to Lync, which is Skype for Business

No idea what Teams is based on

And there was a short period where MSN could federate using XMPP. And then the backend got merged with Skype somehow.

So apparently MSN has undergone a large number of protocol changes?

It was SIP-like IIRC

Hi. Just a some update. :-D I added English and German in the Wiki's Mainpage https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Main_Page and created a new page for the German translation of the mainpage https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Main_Page/de. On this page I also added some information about the German XMPP Communit (e.g. a German XMPP MUC). The pages a assigned to Category:XMPP-DE ( https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Category:XMPP-DE ). I created ~8 Pages for a XMPP Guide ( https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide/de) - Foreword, Quickstart and User Manual (see https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide) should be high-level for user to start with xmpp. The other article will be more technical - I think. That's the idea.

> And there was a short period where MSN could federate using XMPP. And then the backend got merged with Skype somehow. Did it? I thought it became Lync Edge Server

There was something involving AIM, MSN and XMPP based federation waaaaaaaaay back.

Dunno where Lync came from but the way I understood it was that MSN (the client) got the Skype branding transplanted onto it, probably the VoIP bits too, and it used the MSNP infrastructure.

All info about this seems to have bitrotted away from the internet tho