XSF Discussion - 2019-11-29

  1. pep.

    Additionally, re .org, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21658324 "IRS Form 13909 can be used to submit complaints about non-profit organizations to the IRS.". "The internet" says the sell might have been illegal even. Now the internet says lots of things, but I'd like to hear more about this :)

  2. pep.

    (context https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21656960 and one of the comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21658308)

  3. Ge0rG

    You probably need to be US based to complain.

  4. !XSF_Martin

    Do we have us guys? In my perception only Europe is active in xmpp

  5. Ge0rG

    I had the impression that the XSF is a US nonprofit, but looks like we are missing an imprint

  6. fippo

    is there a xep for the good old "legacy ssl" port 5223 stuff?

  7. Zash


  8. MattJ

    fippo: no, buuuut... https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html

  9. fippo

    mattj: that doesn't help arguing with a google person about talk.google.com:5223 :-)

  10. MattJ

    Well if they don't have SRV records...

  11. Ge0rG

    fippo: what point do you want to make?

  12. fippo

    ge0rg: that the 5223 stuff is not a ice-tcp pseudossl handshake

  13. Ge0rG

    Do I even want to know what that is?

  14. fippo

    only if you're into dirty hacks :-)

  15. Ge0rG

    normally, I am. But I'm not tough enough for WebRTC and NAT traversal today

  16. DebXWoody

    Is it possible to get a german mailing list for XMPP User on https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo (e.g. xmpp-user-german)?

  17. Guus

    fippo what's your take on the success rate of that psuedossl handshake? I've tried to work with it twice, only to find out it didn't fool the corporate firewall it was ment to fool

  18. fippo

    guus: for webrtc? i've never seen back-to-back comparisons between goog-ssltcp and regular ice-tcp. but in general there are firewalls which block tcp but don't block tls, see https://medium.com/the-making-of-whereby/what-kind-of-turn-server-is-being-used-d67dbfc2ff5d for some numbers

  19. Guus

    ah, thanks

  20. Zash

    Which thread mentioned creating a custom protocol for bookmarks?

  21. MattJ

    "Bookmarks 2 extensibility" ?

  22. Zash

    That seemed to be more about putting custom extensions in a child node somewhere

  23. Zash

    Anyways, have we learned enough about what the requirements should be to come up with something not hacked onto PEP or private XML storage? 🙂

  24. Zash

    Seems like group chat is a common enough use case that it's weird that it's not "native" in the way rosters are.

  25. Zash

    Something something MIX mumble

  26. MattJ

    Some might argue that it's weird we still have a custom protocol for rosters :)

  27. Zash

    Matrix? It's like the exact opposite.

  28. Zash

    Don't think you can get someones presence without being in a room with them.

  29. Ge0rG

    everything is a room in the matrix

  30. Zash

    Yes. And in Skype. Possibly other things too.

  31. !XSF_Martin

    Skype is nit xmpp based? In my company I see my email as identifier on connect si I thought it might be a jid.

  32. !XSF_Martin

    Skype is nit xmpp based? In my company I see my email as identifier on connect so I thought it might be a jid.

  33. Zash

    I mean everything in Skype (at least in 2009) is a group chat.

  34. Ge0rG

    !XSF_Martin: there was a time when you could federate from xmpp to Lync, which is Skype for Business

  35. Ge0rG

    No idea what Teams is based on

  36. Zash

    And there was a short period where MSN could federate using XMPP. And then the backend got merged with Skype somehow.

  37. Ge0rG

    So apparently MSN has undergone a large number of protocol changes?

  38. Zash

    It was SIP-like IIRC

  39. DebXWoody

    Hi. Just a some update. :-D I added English and German in the Wiki's Mainpage https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Main_Page and created a new page for the German translation of the mainpage https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Main_Page/de. On this page I also added some information about the German XMPP Communit (e.g. a German XMPP MUC). The pages a assigned to Category:XMPP-DE ( https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Category:XMPP-DE ). I created ~8 Pages for a XMPP Guide ( https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide/de) - Foreword, Quickstart and User Manual (see https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide) should be high-level for user to start with xmpp. The other article will be more technical - I think. That's the idea.

  40. Maranda

    > And there was a short period where MSN could federate using XMPP. And then the backend got merged with Skype somehow. Did it? I thought it became Lync Edge Server

  41. Zash

    There was something involving AIM, MSN and XMPP based federation waaaaaaaaay back.

  42. Zash

    Dunno where Lync came from but the way I understood it was that MSN (the client) got the Skype branding transplanted onto it, probably the VoIP bits too, and it used the MSNP infrastructure.

  43. Zash

    All info about this seems to have bitrotted away from the internet tho