MattJDebXWoody, thanks! I know there is quite a German XMPP community. I don't believe we've tried to translate stuff in the past - it's a large project, depending on how far you want to take it. I also saw your request about the mailing list, I was hoping some other people may share their thoughts... again, I don't think we've done anything like that before
ZashEveryone hopes someone else speaks first :)
DebXWoodyhow far you want to take it - until nobody will ask me to use WA
MattJMy only thoughts: 1) I believe we had considered shutting down the juser mailing list due to inactivity 2) a German-speaking list would need German-speaking moderators
ZashAssuming it's intended to be a German version of juser. Applying the same criteria for their existence makes sense.
MattJI guess my thinking is along the lines of - do users really want/use mailing lists these days?
MattJjuser is almost completely dead
MattJand do we, the XSF, developing protocol documents for developers, actually want to be targeting stuff at end users?
ZashDoes the support end at developers? Why did juser exist in the first place?
pep.I'm also curious
pep.Support should probably go to individual clients
ZashActual support yes.
MattJServices and/or clients, yeah
ZashI mean more in the sence of the XSF caring and helping the extended community with things that aren't core to standards development
MattJI imagine juser could have existed right from the beginning of the Jabber project
ZashArchives go back to 1999, so yeah.
MattJThen it was set up for users of that project, before we had all these different implementations and services
MattJThe more I think about it, the more I lean towards the XSF *not* targeting end users
pep.DebXWoody, for a user facing list I would rather see this on gajim, dino, conversations, or even modernxmpp maybe(?)
pep.not entirely sure about the latter
MattJMaybe modernxmpp one day, but not right now
MattJThat's also focused at developers
MattJWhen there are some compliant clients, it may make sense to have some user-facing stuff to advise them
pep.DebXWoody, what's the intended audience? What are the typical subjects I can expect to find there?
pep.DebXWoody, what's the intended audience? What are the typical topics I can expect to find there?
DebXWoodyBe honest, there won't be many. A normal user like my wife, won't subscribe this mailing list. Mailinglist can be used to inform people like broadcast and disucss things. I know that debian for example is using mailinglist. I think it's more to check with other xmpp users to talk an organize things about XMPP. e.g. I'm working on a User Manual. Shall I go to all MUCs to let the people know? What is, if I have a question about https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide/Security/de#OMEMO_vs_OpenPGP
pep.Why would you see that as a user?
DebXWoodyWe have different kind of user, don't we?
pep.Sure. Users understanding the details of encryption mechanisms are probably not everywhere out there though (I don't even know myself)
DebXWoodyUsers in this term is are people which would like to support XMPP. They may need some background information to convince other people to use XMPP or to solve issues.
DebXWoodyI would like to meet XMPP User in Frankfurt, to see what we can do.
DebXWoodyFeel free to think about it. It is just a propose. I don't know if it will help or not, if it will be used or not
pep.I personally don't want to shut out the possibility but yeah I don't know if the xsf is the best venue
DebXWoodyI'm able to run my own mailinglist. Thats not a problem. But just for one mailinglist,... hmmm
DebXWoodyI will ask in the German MUC if there are people looking for a mailinglist at all. If there is no Feedback, we can skip it. If there are people, you can still think about juser. If you keep juser, it would be nice to have the german ML. if you would like to shutdown juser (because XSF not targeting user), I can try to find another provider / solution.
pep.DebXWoody, maybe something.jabber.de?
pep.That looks like an appropriate venue to me. For french users I'm sure jabberfr.org would host such a movement if somebody wanted to animate it
DebXWoodyhttps://xmpp-messenger.de/ is my domain. I can use this.