XSF Discussion - 2019-11-30

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  362. MattJ

    DebXWoody, thanks! I know there is quite a German XMPP community. I don't believe we've tried to translate stuff in the past - it's a large project, depending on how far you want to take it. I also saw your request about the mailing list, I was hoping some other people may share their thoughts... again, I don't think we've done anything like that before

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  364. Zash

    Everyone hopes someone else speaks first :)

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  366. DebXWoody

    how far you want to take it - until nobody will ask me to use WA

  367. MattJ

    My only thoughts: 1) I believe we had considered shutting down the juser mailing list due to inactivity 2) a German-speaking list would need German-speaking moderators

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  370. Zash

    Assuming it's intended to be a German version of juser. Applying the same criteria for their existence makes sense.

  371. MattJ

    I guess my thinking is along the lines of - do users really want/use mailing lists these days?

  372. MattJ

    juser is almost completely dead

  373. MattJ

    and do we, the XSF, developing protocol documents for developers, actually want to be targeting stuff at end users?

  374. Zash

    Does the support end at developers? Why did juser exist in the first place?

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  380. pep.

    I'm also curious

  381. pep.

    Support should probably go to individual clients

  382. Zash

    Actual support yes.

  383. MattJ

    Services and/or clients, yeah

  384. pep.

    MattJ, sure

  385. Zash

    I mean more in the sence of the XSF caring and helping the extended community with things that aren't core to standards development

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  389. MattJ

    I imagine juser could have existed right from the beginning of the Jabber project

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  392. Zash

    Archives go back to 1999, so yeah.

  393. MattJ

    Then it was set up for users of that project, before we had all these different implementations and services

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  395. MattJ

    The more I think about it, the more I lean towards the XSF *not* targeting end users

  396. pep.

    DebXWoody, for a user facing list I would rather see this on gajim, dino, conversations, or even modernxmpp maybe(?)

  397. pep.

    not entirely sure about the latter

  398. MattJ

    Maybe modernxmpp one day, but not right now

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  400. MattJ

    That's also focused at developers

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  402. MattJ

    When there are some compliant clients, it may make sense to have some user-facing stuff to advise them

  403. pep.

    DebXWoody, what's the intended audience? What are the typical subjects I can expect to find there?

  404. pep.

    DebXWoody, what's the intended audience? What are the typical topics I can expect to find there?

  405. DebXWoody

    Be honest, there won't be many. A normal user like my wife, won't subscribe this mailing list. Mailinglist can be used to inform people like broadcast and disucss things. I know that debian for example is using mailinglist. I think it's more to check with other xmpp users to talk an organize things about XMPP. e.g. I'm working on a User Manual. Shall I go to all MUCs to let the people know? What is, if I have a question about https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide/Security/de#OMEMO_vs_OpenPGP

  406. pep.

    Why would you see that as a user?

  407. DebXWoody

    We have different kind of user, don't we?

  408. pep.

    Sure. Users understanding the details of encryption mechanisms are probably not everywhere out there though (I don't even know myself)

  409. DebXWoody

    Users in this term is are people which would like to support XMPP. They may need some background information to convince other people to use XMPP or to solve issues.

  410. DebXWoody

    I would like to meet XMPP User in Frankfurt, to see what we can do.

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  412. DebXWoody

    Feel free to think about it. It is just a propose. I don't know if it will help or not, if it will be used or not

  413. pep.

    I personally don't want to shut out the possibility but yeah I don't know if the xsf is the best venue

  414. DebXWoody

    I'm able to run my own mailinglist. Thats not a problem. But just for one mailinglist,... hmmm

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  417. DebXWoody

    I will ask in the German MUC if there are people looking for a mailinglist at all. If there is no Feedback, we can skip it. If there are people, you can still think about juser. If you keep juser, it would be nice to have the german ML. if you would like to shutdown juser (because XSF not targeting user), I can try to find another provider / solution.

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  420. pep.

    DebXWoody, maybe something.jabber.de?

  421. pep.

    That looks like an appropriate venue to me. For french users I'm sure jabberfr.org would host such a movement if somebody wanted to animate it

  422. DebXWoody

    https://xmpp-messenger.de/ is my domain. I can use this.

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  440. Tracer

    good evening everybody

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