XSF Discussion - 2019-11-30

DebXWoody, thanks! I know there is quite a German XMPP community. I don't believe we've tried to translate stuff in the past - it's a large project, depending on how far you want to take it. I also saw your request about the mailing list, I was hoping some other people may share their thoughts... again, I don't think we've done anything like that before

Everyone hopes someone else speaks first :)

how far you want to take it - until nobody will ask me to use WA

My only thoughts: 1) I believe we had considered shutting down the juser mailing list due to inactivity 2) a German-speaking list would need German-speaking moderators

Assuming it's intended to be a German version of juser. Applying the same criteria for their existence makes sense.

I guess my thinking is along the lines of - do users really want/use mailing lists these days?

juser is almost completely dead

and do we, the XSF, developing protocol documents for developers, actually want to be targeting stuff at end users?

Does the support end at developers? Why did juser exist in the first place?

I'm also curious

Support should probably go to individual clients

Actual support yes.

Services and/or clients, yeah

MattJ, sure

I mean more in the sence of the XSF caring and helping the extended community with things that aren't core to standards development

I imagine juser could have existed right from the beginning of the Jabber project

Archives go back to 1999, so yeah.

Then it was set up for users of that project, before we had all these different implementations and services

The more I think about it, the more I lean towards the XSF *not* targeting end users

DebXWoody, for a user facing list I would rather see this on gajim, dino, conversations, or even modernxmpp maybe(?)

not entirely sure about the latter

Maybe modernxmpp one day, but not right now

right

That's also focused at developers

When there are some compliant clients, it may make sense to have some user-facing stuff to advise them

DebXWoody, what's the intended audience? What are the typical topics I can expect to find there? ✏

Be honest, there won't be many. A normal user like my wife, won't subscribe this mailing list. Mailinglist can be used to inform people like broadcast and disucss things. I know that debian for example is using mailinglist. I think it's more to check with other xmpp users to talk an organize things about XMPP. e.g. I'm working on a User Manual. Shall I go to all MUCs to let the people know? What is, if I have a question about https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Guide/Security/de#OMEMO_vs_OpenPGP

Why would you see that as a user?

We have different kind of user, don't we?

Sure. Users understanding the details of encryption mechanisms are probably not everywhere out there though (I don't even know myself)

Users in this term is are people which would like to support XMPP. They may need some background information to convince other people to use XMPP or to solve issues.

I would like to meet XMPP User in Frankfurt, to see what we can do.

Feel free to think about it. It is just a propose. I don't know if it will help or not, if it will be used or not

I personally don't want to shut out the possibility but yeah I don't know if the xsf is the best venue

I'm able to run my own mailinglist. Thats not a problem. But just for one mailinglist,... hmmm

I will ask in the German MUC if there are people looking for a mailinglist at all. If there is no Feedback, we can skip it. If there are people, you can still think about juser. If you keep juser, it would be nice to have the german ML. if you would like to shutdown juser (because XSF not targeting user), I can try to find another provider / solution.

DebXWoody, maybe something.jabber.de?

That looks like an appropriate venue to me. For french users I'm sure jabberfr.org would host such a movement if somebody wanted to animate it

https://xmpp-messenger.de/ is my domain. I can use this.

k

good evening everybody