XSF Discussion - 2019-12-10


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  15. Neustradamus pep.: The repository has been archived several years ago. We have already talked to add the code in /xsf/ GitHub.
  16. pep. Neustradamus, then open an issue asking for this instead?
  17. pep. "The XSF memberbot source code is always missing" what does that even mean
  18. Neustradamus The ticket is here, you have closed it ;)
  19. pep. "Could somebody fork the original memberbot repo under the xsf umbrella?" < here take it, that's for you
  20. pep. (read: you can open an issue with this)
  21. Neustradamus Only for you: "The XSF memberbot source code is always missing (in this XSF GitHub)"
  22. Neustradamus Yes I have already forked for a solution about the next ticket, I wait XSF repository to create a PR.
  23. Neustradamus And it is already sent to Alex for a test.
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  100. Guus GSoC 2020 has been announced! We want in?
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  162. dwd Zash, Yes, I think Bind2 could be done within SASL2. But equally, I see no reason to change the semantics of Bind in order to get the syntax.
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  168. Zash dwd: I've been thinking about per device passwords, passing some device id early would help there
  169. Ge0rG Zash: isn't it sufficient to have the per-device-password as a device id?
  170. Zash Ge0rG: Can't do some SASL mechanisms without knowing what to test against first
  171. Ge0rG Zash: no way to test against all?
  172. Zash With SCRAM? I didn't see how
  173. Ge0rG have a shared salt on all passwords?
  174. dwd Yikes.
  175. Ge0rG I'm the last one to oppose a working per-device-password mechanism, just asking questions
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  177. dwd Zash, Per-device passwords should be easy enough unless you want to use an existing SASL mechanism.
  178. Zash Or hijack authzid
  179. Ge0rG dwd: with the advent of new SASL mechanisms in the last decade of XMPP, there might be a slight incentive to make it work with the existing ones
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  181. dwd I get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier.
  182. Ge0rG dwd: I didn't notice the moment when the goal of protocol design became to make you happier ;)
  183. MattJ :)
  184. dwd Ge0rG, That moment was the Council election results. ;)
  185. Guus > I get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier. T-Shirt waiting to happen
  186. Ge0rG too much text for a t-shirt :(
  187. Kev GSoC 2020's been announced, applications in January, in case no-one's mentioned it yet.
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  190. MattJ Yeah, Guus did
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  195. Kev Fab. About 4 weeks until applications.
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  238. jonas’ anyome from Jitsi Meet (the software and the service) here?
  239. jonas’ we’re looking for audio/video conferencing with call-in at work, and webex was discarded because it’s too unstable
  240. MattJ I don't think anyone from that team is here, but they generally aren't hard to get hold of
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  245. fippo poke saghul on twitter, he's quite responsive
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  247. jonas’ what’s twitter?
  248. !XSF_Martin Nobody knows
  249. Guus jonas’ I've dabbled with it about a year ago.
  250. Guus They're also pretty responsive on their community discourse website thingy
  251. Guus and lastly, there's a community video conference every other week on Monday
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  253. !XSF_Martin Still it's the most annoying way to spread news. I usually have to reload three times to make it show the content.
  254. !XSF_Martin They really bully you if you have no account and twitter client.
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  291. Ge0rG !XSF_Martin: you know about nitter.net
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  337. !XSF_Martin I do, but people keep posting Zwitter links instead of nitter links.
  338. moparisthebest I didn't know about that and now I'm mad you didn't tell me earlier Ge0rG
  339. moparisthebest it actually loads on my phone reliably, unlike twitter...
  340. !XSF_Martin It's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix IG on his own.
  341. !XSF_Martin It's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix it on his own.
  342. moparisthebest I just installed an extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invidition/
  343. moparisthebest works on firefox desktop and mobile
  344. Zash jonas’, Ge0rG, dwd: So much text! :S
  345. jonas’ Zash, I’m sorry, but I hope it’s worth it.
  346. Zash This reminds me of The Story of <img>. TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards.
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  349. Zash Oh dear more text while I was reading that text?
  350. jonas’ just two lines, one of them being a URL
  351. jonas’ (from me anyways)
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  353. Zash Thank glob, those last two were short 🙂
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  358. Daniel > TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
  359. Daniel Or just a thing
  360. Zash Mostly a thing. Sometimes it causes pain later.
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  364. Zash Especially if it's some quick hack that gets too popular to replace, which seems to happen a bit too often for my taste.
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  366. Alex hey guys, everyone ready for a member meeting?
  367. jonas’ today?
  368. larma now!
  369. Zash !!!
  370. jonas’ indeed, fun
  371. Alex yes, today and now ;-)
  372. jonas’ I’ll be party AFK
  373. Alex bangs the gavel
  374. jonas’ I’ll be parly AFK
  375. jonas’ I’ll be partly AFK
  376. Alex here is our agenda for today: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Call_for_Quorum
  377. Ge0rG Oh, I just voted two hours ago
  378. Alex 1) Call for Quorum
  379. Alex as you can see 28 members voted via memberbot. So we have a quorum
  380. Alex 2) Items Subject to a Vote
  381. Alex New and Returning members, you can see all applicants here: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q4_2019
  382. Alex 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
  383. larma here, haven't voted yet
  384. Alex anyone here who has not voted yet and wants to do so?
  385. Alex larma, go for it
  386. Alex memberbot is still online
  387. winfried I'll be voting too now
  388. Alex go go go ;-)
  389. larma Alex, Just add yes for all
  390. Alex larma, can you vote via bot? makes it easier for me
  391. Alex have Winfrieds vote now
  392. larma Alex, will do
  393. Alex 👍
  394. Alex larma, got your vote as well
  395. Alex more last minute voters?
  396. Alex otherwise I will start working on the results and shutdown memberbot
  397. Alex ok, start counting with my 10 fingers now
  398. Alex 4) Announcement of Voting Results
  399. Alex when you reload the page at: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Announcement_of_Voting_Results you can see the results
  400. Alex all Reappliers are accepted. Congrats to everyone
  401. winfried and thanks Alex!
  402. Zash Thanks Alex!
  403. Alex 5) Any Other Business?
  404. jonas’ none from me
  405. jonas’ congrats to everyone, and thanks to Alex
  406. Alex 6) Formal Adjournment
  407. Alex I motion that we adjourn
  408. Zash Seconded
  409. Alex bangs the gavel
  410. jonas’ Thirded
  411. Alex thanks everone ;-)
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  414. Guus Thanks Alex!
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  423. pep. Always curious about the "no" votes. I'm happy to hear comments here or in private if anybody has feedback :)
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  426. Ge0rG Awesome! No need to change the council!
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  458. Zash XEP-0030 has this sentence: > The value of the 'node' attribute MUST NOT be null. What does this even mean in XML?
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  460. jonas’ very good question
  461. Guus An _attribute_ that's null? 🤔
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  463. Guus I'm guessing an attribute that's defined without a value?
  464. jonas’ that’s not a thing in XML
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  466. jonas’ at least libxml2 won’t parse it
  467. Guus <element att="" />
  468. jonas’ that’s an attribute with an empty value
  469. jonas’ not null
  470. Guus True, but that's my best guess at what's ment
  471. Zash I think we had a discussion about the difference between <item node=""> and <item>
  472. pep. Can we please stop leaving in a Maybe monad :(
  473. pep. Can we please stop living in a Maybe monad :(
  474. jonas’ pep., maybe.
  475. pep. .
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  481. jonas’ https://search.jabber.network/search?q=muc.xmpp.org
  482. jonas’ huh
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  486. jonas’ looks like my prosody was in questionable states
  487. jonas’ maybe it was THE s2s bug
  488. Zash What's with the THE bugs?
  489. jonas’ (ftr, the link did not show any results when I posted it)
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  497. Ge0rG jonas’: the only THE bug is THE timer bug!
  498. jonas’ okthen
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