Neustradamuspep.: The repository has been archived several years ago. We have already talked to add the code in /xsf/ GitHub.
pep.Neustradamus, then open an issue asking for this instead?
pep."The XSF memberbot source code is always missing" what does that even mean
NeustradamusThe ticket is here, you have closed it ;)
pep."Could somebody fork the original memberbot repo under the xsf umbrella?" < here take it, that's for you
pep.(read: you can open an issue with this)
NeustradamusOnly for you: "The XSF memberbot source code is always missing (in this XSF GitHub)"
NeustradamusYes I have already forked for a solution about the next ticket, I wait XSF repository to create a PR.
NeustradamusAnd it is already sent to Alex for a test.
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GuusGSoC 2020 has been announced! We want in?
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dwdZash, Yes, I think Bind2 could be done within SASL2. But equally, I see no reason to change the semantics of Bind in order to get the syntax.
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Zashdwd: I've been thinking about per device passwords, passing some device id early would help there
Ge0rGZash: isn't it sufficient to have the per-device-password as a device id?
ZashGe0rG: Can't do some SASL mechanisms without knowing what to test against first
Ge0rGZash: no way to test against all?
ZashWith SCRAM? I didn't see how
Ge0rGhave a shared salt on all passwords?
dwdYikes.
Ge0rGI'm the last one to oppose a working per-device-password mechanism, just asking questions
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dwdZash, Per-device passwords should be easy enough unless you want to use an existing SASL mechanism.
ZashOr hijack authzid
Ge0rGdwd: with the advent of new SASL mechanisms in the last decade of XMPP, there might be a slight incentive to make it work with the existing ones
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dwdI get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier.
Ge0rGdwd: I didn't notice the moment when the goal of protocol design became to make you happier ;)
MattJ:)
dwdGe0rG, That moment was the Council election results. ;)
Guus> I get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier.
T-Shirt waiting to happen
Ge0rGtoo much text for a t-shirt :(
KevGSoC 2020's been announced, applications in January, in case no-one's mentioned it yet.
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MattJYeah, Guus did
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KevFab. About 4 weeks until applications.
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jonas’anyome from Jitsi Meet (the software and the service) here?
jonas’we’re looking for audio/video conferencing with call-in at work, and webex was discarded because it’s too unstable
MattJI don't think anyone from that team is here, but they generally aren't hard to get hold of
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fippopoke saghul on twitter, he's quite responsive
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jonas’what’s twitter?
!XSF_MartinNobody knows
Guusjonas’ I've dabbled with it about a year ago.
GuusThey're also pretty responsive on their community discourse website thingy
Guusand lastly, there's a community video conference every other week on Monday
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!XSF_MartinStill it's the most annoying way to spread news. I usually have to reload three times to make it show the content.
!XSF_MartinThey really bully you if you have no account and twitter client.
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Ge0rG!XSF_Martin: you know about nitter.net
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!XSF_MartinI do, but people keep posting Zwitter links instead of nitter links.
moparisthebestI didn't know about that and now I'm mad you didn't tell me earlier Ge0rG
moparisthebestit actually loads on my phone reliably, unlike twitter...
!XSF_MartinIt's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix IG on his own.
!XSF_MartinIt's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix it on his own.
moparisthebestI just installed an extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invidition/
moparisthebestworks on firefox desktop and mobile
Zashjonas’, Ge0rG, dwd: So much text! :S
jonas’Zash, I’m sorry, but I hope it’s worth it.
ZashThis reminds me of The Story of <img>. TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards.
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ZashOh dear more text while I was reading that text?
jonas’just two lines, one of them being a URL
jonas’(from me anyways)
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ZashThank glob, those last two were short 🙂
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Daniel> TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
DanielOr just a thing
ZashMostly a thing. Sometimes it causes pain later.
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ZashEspecially if it's some quick hack that gets too popular to replace, which seems to happen a bit too often for my taste.
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Alexhey guys, everyone ready for a member meeting?
jonas’today?
larmanow!
Zash!!!
jonas’indeed, fun
Alexyes, today and now ;-)
jonas’I’ll be party AFK
Alexbangs the gavel
jonas’I’ll be parly AFK
jonas’I’ll be partly AFK
Alexhere is our agenda for today:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Call_for_Quorum
Ge0rGOh, I just voted two hours ago
Alex1) Call for Quorum
Alexas you can see 28 members voted via memberbot. So we have a quorum
Alex2) Items Subject to a Vote
AlexNew and Returning members, you can see all applicants here:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q4_2019
Alex3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
larmahere, haven't voted yet
Alexanyone here who has not voted yet and wants to do so?
Alexlarma, go for it
Alexmemberbot is still online
winfriedI'll be voting too now
Alexgo go go ;-)
larmaAlex, Just add yes for all
Alexlarma, can you vote via bot? makes it easier for me
Alexhave Winfrieds vote now
larmaAlex, will do
Alex👍
Alexlarma, got your vote as well
Alexmore last minute voters?
Alexotherwise I will start working on the results and shutdown memberbot
Alexok, start counting with my 10 fingers now
Alex4) Announcement of Voting Results
Alexwhen you reload the page at:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Announcement_of_Voting_Results
you can see the results
Alexall Reappliers are accepted. Congrats to everyone
winfriedand thanks Alex!
ZashThanks Alex!
Alex5) Any Other Business?
jonas’none from me
jonas’congrats to everyone, and thanks to Alex
Alex6) Formal Adjournment
AlexI motion that we adjourn
ZashSeconded
Alexbangs the gavel
jonas’Thirded
Alexthanks everone ;-)
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GuusThanks Alex!
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pep.Always curious about the "no" votes. I'm happy to hear comments here or in private if anybody has feedback :)
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Ge0rGAwesome! No need to change the council!
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ZashXEP-0030 has this sentence:
> The value of the 'node' attribute MUST NOT be null.
What does this even mean in XML?
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jonas’very good question
GuusAn _attribute_ that's null? 🤔
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GuusI'm guessing an attribute that's defined without a value?
jonas’that’s not a thing in XML
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jonas’at least libxml2 won’t parse it
Guus<element att="" />
jonas’that’s an attribute with an empty value
jonas’not null
GuusTrue, but that's my best guess at what's ment
ZashI think we had a discussion about the difference between <item node=""> and <item>
pep.Can we please stop leaving in a Maybe monad :(