XSF Discussion - 2019-12-10

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00:57:36 Neustradamus pep.: The repository has been archived several years ago. We have already talked to add the code in /xsf/ GitHub.
00:59:36 pep. Neustradamus, then open an issue asking for this instead?
00:59:54 pep. "The XSF memberbot source code is always missing" what does that even mean
00:59:55 Neustradamus The ticket is here, you have closed it ;)
01:00:26 pep. "Could somebody fork the original memberbot repo under the xsf umbrella?" < here take it, that's for you
01:01:01 pep. (read: you can open an issue with this)
01:01:52 Neustradamus Only for you: "The XSF memberbot source code is always missing (in this XSF GitHub)"
01:02:53 Neustradamus Yes I have already forked for a solution about the next ticket, I wait XSF repository to create a PR.
01:03:59 Neustradamus And it is already sent to Alex for a test.
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06:45:54 Guus GSoC 2020 has been announced! We want in?
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09:34:15 dwd Zash, Yes, I think Bind2 could be done within SASL2. But equally, I see no reason to change the semantics of Bind in order to get the syntax.
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09:48:38 Zash dwd: I've been thinking about per device passwords, passing some device id early would help there
09:49:37 Ge0rG Zash: isn't it sufficient to have the per-device-password as a device id?
09:50:41 Zash Ge0rG: Can't do some SASL mechanisms without knowing what to test against first
09:51:12 Ge0rG Zash: no way to test against all?
09:52:10 Zash With SCRAM? I didn't see how
09:52:27 Ge0rG have a shared salt on all passwords?
09:52:34 dwd Yikes.
09:52:56 Ge0rG I'm the last one to oppose a working per-device-password mechanism, just asking questions
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09:53:48 dwd Zash, Per-device passwords should be easy enough unless you want to use an existing SASL mechanism.
09:54:33 Zash Or hijack authzid
09:54:36 Ge0rG dwd: with the advent of new SASL mechanisms in the last decade of XMPP, there might be a slight incentive to make it work with the existing ones
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09:56:04 dwd I get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier.
09:57:12 Ge0rG dwd: I didn't notice the moment when the goal of protocol design became to make you happier ;)
09:58:14 MattJ :)
09:58:18 dwd Ge0rG, That moment was the Council election results. ;)
10:09:26 Guus > I get the pragmatic concerns, but mutilating stuff isn't going to make me any happier. T-Shirt waiting to happen
10:09:51 Ge0rG too much text for a t-shirt :(
10:13:29 Kev GSoC 2020's been announced, applications in January, in case no-one's mentioned it yet.
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10:28:31 MattJ Yeah, Guus did
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10:34:23 Kev Fab. About 4 weeks until applications.
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12:47:32 jonas’ anyome from Jitsi Meet (the software and the service) here?
12:48:28 jonas’ we’re looking for audio/video conferencing with call-in at work, and webex was discarded because it’s too unstable
12:50:46 MattJ I don't think anyone from that team is here, but they generally aren't hard to get hold of
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13:11:39 fippo poke saghul on twitter, he's quite responsive
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13:18:06 jonas’ what’s twitter?
13:19:55 !XSF_Martin Nobody knows
13:23:56 Guus jonas’ I've dabbled with it about a year ago.
13:24:09 Guus They're also pretty responsive on their community discourse website thingy
13:24:26 Guus and lastly, there's a community video conference every other week on Monday
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13:27:27 !XSF_Martin Still it's the most annoying way to spread news. I usually have to reload three times to make it show the content.
13:28:05 !XSF_Martin They really bully you if you have no account and twitter client.
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15:56:29 Ge0rG !XSF_Martin: you know about nitter.net
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18:18:31 !XSF_Martin I do, but people keep posting Zwitter links instead of nitter links.
18:18:58 moparisthebest I didn't know about that and now I'm mad you didn't tell me earlier Ge0rG
18:19:24 moparisthebest it actually loads on my phone reliably, unlike twitter...
18:20:00 !XSF_Martin It's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix IG on his own.
18:20:36 !XSF_Martin It's easy to change while posting but it's not easy to change a received link as copypasta to browser and edit is annoying. The person posting should edit it instead of expecting every receiver to fix it on his own.
18:20:39 moparisthebest I just installed an extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invidition/
18:20:55 moparisthebest works on firefox desktop and mobile
18:21:09 Zash jonas’, Ge0rG, dwd: So much text! :S
18:22:26 jonas’ Zash, I’m sorry, but I hope it’s worth it.
18:24:35 Zash This reminds me of The Story of <img>. TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards.
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18:26:43 Zash Oh dear more text while I was reading that text?
18:26:56 jonas’ just two lines, one of them being a URL
18:27:01 jonas’ (from me anyways)
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18:28:22 Zash Thank glob, those last two were short 🙂
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18:44:05 Daniel > TL;DR: He who writes the code controls the defacto standards. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
18:44:08 Daniel Or just a thing
18:45:26 Zash Mostly a thing. Sometimes it causes pain later.
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19:01:12 Zash Especially if it's some quick hack that gets too popular to replace, which seems to happen a bit too often for my taste.
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19:01:46 Alex hey guys, everyone ready for a member meeting?
19:01:51 jonas’ today?
19:01:56 larma now!
19:02:02 Zash !!!
19:02:03 jonas’ indeed, fun
19:02:11 Alex yes, today and now ;-)
19:02:14 jonas’ I’ll be party AFK
19:02:34 Alex bangs the gavel
19:02:41 jonas’ I’ll be parly AFK
19:02:44 jonas’ I’ll be partly AFK
19:02:56 Alex here is our agenda for today: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Call_for_Quorum
19:03:00 Ge0rG Oh, I just voted two hours ago
19:03:30 Alex 1) Call for Quorum
19:03:46 Alex as you can see 28 members voted via memberbot. So we have a quorum
19:04:02 Alex 2) Items Subject to a Vote
19:04:21 Alex New and Returning members, you can see all applicants here: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q4_2019
19:04:30 Alex 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
19:04:40 larma here, haven't voted yet
19:04:43 Alex anyone here who has not voted yet and wants to do so?
19:04:52 Alex larma, go for it
19:04:57 Alex memberbot is still online
19:05:05 winfried I'll be voting too now
19:05:17 Alex go go go ;-)
19:05:18 larma Alex, Just add yes for all
19:05:43 Alex larma, can you vote via bot? makes it easier for me
19:06:08 Alex have Winfrieds vote now
19:06:24 larma Alex, will do
19:06:34 Alex 👍
19:07:18 Alex larma, got your vote as well
19:07:37 Alex more last minute voters?
19:07:51 Alex otherwise I will start working on the results and shutdown memberbot
19:09:18 Alex ok, start counting with my 10 fingers now
19:11:45 Alex 4) Announcement of Voting Results
19:12:06 Alex when you reload the page at: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2019-12-10#Announcement_of_Voting_Results you can see the results
19:12:31 Alex all Reappliers are accepted. Congrats to everyone
19:12:44 winfried and thanks Alex!
19:12:56 Zash Thanks Alex!
19:12:58 Alex 5) Any Other Business?
19:13:04 jonas’ none from me
19:13:14 jonas’ congrats to everyone, and thanks to Alex
19:13:28 Alex 6) Formal Adjournment
19:13:35 Alex I motion that we adjourn
19:13:57 Zash Seconded
19:14:00 Alex bangs the gavel
19:14:01 jonas’ Thirded
19:14:11 Alex thanks everone ;-)
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19:20:58 Guus Thanks Alex!
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19:31:06 pep. Always curious about the "no" votes. I'm happy to hear comments here or in private if anybody has feedback :)
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19:34:38 Ge0rG Awesome! No need to change the council!
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20:47:35 Zash XEP-0030 has this sentence: > The value of the 'node' attribute MUST NOT be null. What does this even mean in XML?
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20:51:34 jonas’ very good question
20:51:40 Guus An _attribute_ that's null? 🤔
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20:53:15 Guus I'm guessing an attribute that's defined without a value?
20:53:21 jonas’ that’s not a thing in XML
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20:54:02 jonas’ at least libxml2 won’t parse it
20:54:33 Guus <element att="" />
20:54:39 jonas’ that’s an attribute with an empty value
20:54:41 jonas’ not null
20:55:09 Guus True, but that's my best guess at what's ment
20:55:10 Zash I think we had a discussion about the difference between <item node=""> and <item>
20:55:12 pep. Can we please stop leaving in a Maybe monad :(
20:55:18 pep. Can we please stop living in a Maybe monad :(
20:55:25 jonas’ pep., maybe.
20:55:28 pep. .
20:55:34 jonas’ (scnr)
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21:07:08 jonas’ https://search.jabber.network/search?q=muc.xmpp.org
21:07:08 jonas’ huh
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21:13:48 jonas’ looks like my prosody was in questionable states
21:15:46 jonas’ maybe it was THE s2s bug
21:16:00 Zash What's with the THE bugs?
21:16:31 jonas’ (ftr, the link did not show any results when I posted it)
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21:32:02 Ge0rG jonas’: the only THE bug is THE timer bug!
21:32:20 jonas’ okthen
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