XSF Discussion - 2019-12-11

00:04:37 !XSF_Martin has left
00:07:44 andrey.g has left
00:10:42 !XSF_Martin has joined
00:12:53 alexis has left
00:16:03 paul has left
00:17:20 debacle has left
00:21:05 mimi89999 has left
00:21:11 mimi89999 has joined
00:23:17 SpaceFreak aka Tracer has left
00:25:55 mukt2 has joined
00:26:08 mimi89999 has left
00:26:11 mimi89999 has joined
00:27:09 mimi89999 has left
00:27:12 mimi89999 has joined
00:29:51 mimi89999 has left
00:29:54 mimi89999 has joined
00:30:16 arc has left
00:30:16 arc has joined
00:30:42 mimi89999 has left
00:30:45 mimi89999 has joined
00:30:59 mukt2 has left
00:30:59 !XSF_Martin has left
00:33:00 krauq has left
00:33:37 arc has left
00:33:38 arc has joined
00:36:07 krauq has joined
00:36:14 mimi89999 has left
00:37:17 pdurbin has joined
00:37:48 !XSF_Martin has joined
00:43:44 mimi89999 has joined
00:44:22 andy has left
00:48:13 kokonoe has left
00:49:11 pdurbin has left
00:49:18 mimi89999 has left
00:49:21 mimi89999 has joined
00:52:43 !XSF_Martin has left
00:55:55 mukt2 has joined
01:01:55 !XSF_Martin has joined
01:03:12 mimi89999 has left
01:03:19 mimi89999 has joined
01:04:51 mimi89999 has left
01:04:54 mimi89999 has joined
01:09:18 mimi89999 has left
01:09:21 mimi89999 has joined
01:11:06 krauq has left
01:13:23 krauq has joined
01:14:47 mimi89999 has left
01:14:50 mimi89999 has joined
01:17:18 krauq has left
01:18:29 alexis has joined
01:18:34 krauq has joined
01:20:00 mimi89999 has left
01:20:22 krauq has left
01:20:32 mimi89999 has joined
01:22:50 mimi89999 has left
01:22:52 mimi89999 has joined
01:23:26 mimi89999 has left
01:23:29 mimi89999 has joined
01:23:40 krauq has joined
01:24:13 !XSF_Martin has left
01:24:27 mimi89999 has left
01:24:30 mimi89999 has joined
01:26:10 mimi89999 has left
01:27:07 mimi89999 has joined
01:28:23 !XSF_Martin has joined
01:28:30 kokonoe has joined
01:29:09 mimi89999 has left
01:29:11 mimi89999 has joined
01:31:21 mukt2 has left
01:37:13 mimi89999 has left
01:37:16 mimi89999 has joined
01:37:55 mukt2 has joined
01:39:24 krauq has left
01:46:36 krauq has joined
01:51:37 mimi89999 has left
01:51:41 mimi89999 has joined
01:52:41 mimi89999 has left
01:52:44 mimi89999 has joined
01:53:44 mimi89999 has left
01:53:47 mimi89999 has joined
01:54:47 calvin has joined
01:59:19 mimi89999 has left
02:00:27 mimi89999 has joined
02:02:43 Shell has left
02:08:49 Neustradamus has left
02:16:24 mukt2 has left
02:18:52 Vaulor has left
02:19:54 !XSF_Martin has left
02:19:57 !XSF_Martin has joined
02:22:51 stpeter has joined
02:25:55 mukt2 has joined
02:29:32 calvin has left
02:30:58 adiaholic has joined
02:33:55 mr.fister has left
02:34:47 Steve Kille has joined
02:34:55 mr.fister has joined
02:36:34 pdurbin has joined
02:37:35 mr.fister has left
02:38:29 Zash has left
02:39:27 !XSF_Martin has left
02:41:29 mimi89999 has left
02:41:39 kokonoe has left
02:42:12 calvin has joined
02:45:09 !XSF_Martin has joined
02:47:13 pdurbin has left
02:48:34 lskdjf has left
02:53:19 mimi89999 has joined
02:55:42 kokonoe has joined
03:06:32 mukt2 has left
03:07:52 !XSF_Martin has left
03:10:51 !XSF_Martin has joined
03:12:29 mukt2 has joined
03:21:00 andrey.g has joined
03:22:36 mukt2 has left
03:22:40 mukt2 has joined
03:28:34 mimi89999 has left
03:28:38 mukt2 has left
03:29:19 stpeter has left
03:30:11 mimi89999 has joined
03:32:59 !XSF_Martin has left
03:33:43 mukt2 has joined
03:36:28 !XSF_Martin has joined
03:43:12 ralphm has left
03:43:29 ralphm has joined
03:48:38 calvin has left
03:50:28 Dele (Mobile) has left
03:50:49 Dele (Mobile) has joined
03:50:52 Yagiza has joined
03:54:03 calvin has joined
03:54:40 mukt2 has left
03:54:45 mukt2 has joined
03:55:41 pdurbin has joined
03:55:49 !XSF_Martin has left
03:57:17 adiaholic has left
03:57:21 adiaholic has joined
04:00:42 Daniel has left
04:01:12 Daniel has joined
04:02:34 !XSF_Martin has joined
04:06:41 Daniel has left
04:08:55 Daniel has joined
04:09:51 mukt2 has left
04:17:54 calvin has left
04:24:45 mukt2 has joined
04:29:36 !XSF_Martin has left
04:32:13 kokonoe has left
04:32:46 !XSF_Martin has joined
04:46:53 Yagiza has left
04:48:25 mukt2 has left
04:48:31 andy has joined
04:52:02 !XSF_Martin has left
04:54:47 mukt2 has joined
04:56:23 Neustradamus has joined
04:57:14 Yagiza has joined
04:57:53 !XSF_Martin has joined
05:01:25 kokonoe has joined
05:15:36 Tobias has joined
05:16:06 mukt2 has left
05:19:10 lorddavidiii has joined
05:19:57 adiaholic has left
05:19:59 adiaholic has joined
05:20:29 !XSF_Martin has left
05:24:19 !XSF_Martin has joined
05:24:46 mukt2 has joined
05:31:17 mukt2 has left
05:33:05 adiaholic has left
05:33:08 adiaholic has joined
05:43:21 !XSF_Martin has left
05:44:04 adiaholic has left
05:44:07 adiaholic has joined
05:44:51 adiaholic has left
05:44:53 adiaholic has joined
05:48:34 !XSF_Martin has joined
05:49:28 j.r has joined
05:50:19 karoshi has joined
05:51:34 j.r has left
05:54:47 mukt2 has joined
05:58:33 paul has joined
06:01:15 Daniel has left
06:04:49 Vaulor has joined
06:05:11 Daniel has joined
06:11:15 ralphm has left
06:11:17 ralphm has joined
06:35:19 beta has joined
06:39:04 lorddavidiii has left
06:41:41 lorddavidiii has joined
06:49:08 lorddavidiii has left
06:49:26 beta has left
06:49:33 beta has joined
06:50:01 lorddavidiii has joined
06:50:48 beta has left
06:50:55 beta has joined
06:53:19 lorddavidiii has left
06:53:38 !XSF_Martin has left
06:53:38 Steve Kille has left
06:54:33 lorddavidiii has joined
06:57:59 lorddavidiii has left
06:58:43 lorddavidiii has joined
07:00:07 beta has left
07:00:14 beta has joined
07:01:57 pdurbin has left
07:02:45 mukt2 has left
07:03:28 mukt2 has joined
07:07:44 adiaholic has left
07:07:48 adiaholic has joined
07:11:47 mukt2 has left
07:13:57 lorddavidiii has left
07:14:28 lorddavidiii has joined
07:29:36 mukt2 has joined
07:31:58 adiaholic has left
07:32:01 adiaholic has joined
07:32:48 Zash has joined
07:36:28 mathijs has left
07:36:28 mathijs has joined
07:41:43 !XSF_Martin has joined
07:51:20 mimi89999 has left
07:57:18 mathijs has left
07:57:18 mathijs has joined
08:05:02 mukt2 has left
08:09:35 mathijs has left
08:09:35 mathijs has joined
08:10:07 jubalh has joined
08:30:40 Kev has joined
08:33:51 mimi89999 has joined
08:39:00 adiaholic has left
08:39:02 adiaholic has joined
08:45:54 arc has left
08:45:55 arc has joined
08:55:58 pdurbin has joined
09:01:19 mathijs has left
09:01:20 mathijs has joined
09:01:43 wurstsalat has joined
09:10:21 pdurbin has left
09:15:29 beta has left
09:15:40 beta has joined
09:20:38 mathijs has left
09:20:38 mathijs has joined
09:25:07 mukt2 has joined
09:30:39 waqas has left
09:30:52 waqas has joined
09:31:19 waqas has left
09:31:40 mukt2 has left
09:35:35 mukt2 has joined
09:43:08 Kev has left
09:57:48 adiaholic has left
09:57:56 adiaholic has joined
10:03:18 Steve Kille has joined
10:04:06 larma has left
10:10:01 larma has joined
10:50:23 lskdjf has joined
10:53:01 !XSF_Martin has left
10:55:59 pdurbin has joined
10:58:00 !XSF_Martin has joined
10:58:04 debacle has joined
10:59:57 mukt2 has left
11:04:54 Shell has joined
11:05:47 adiaholic has left
11:05:50 adiaholic has joined
11:10:14 edhelas has left
11:11:17 edhelas has joined
11:16:27 pdurbin has left
11:24:48 !XSF_Martin has left
11:26:12 Wojtek has joined
11:33:06 Kev has joined
11:35:26 adiaholic has left
11:35:28 adiaholic has joined
11:48:14 !XSF_Martin has joined
12:01:56 Shell has left
12:02:00 Shell has joined
12:10:24 SpaceFreak aka Tracer has joined
12:11:40 mimi89999 has left
12:11:46 mimi89999 has joined
12:15:44 !XSF_Martin has left
12:15:49 alameyo has left
12:15:49 alameyo has joined
12:18:17 !XSF_Martin has joined
12:55:21 adiaholic has left
12:55:23 adiaholic has joined
12:55:59 pdurbin has joined
13:07:27 pdurbin has left
13:14:05 andrey.g has left
13:23:12 mukt2 has joined
13:24:53 j.r has joined
13:25:47 LNJ has left
13:32:13 j.r has left
13:35:30 Shell has left
13:35:36 Shell has joined
13:36:51 Shell has left
13:37:19 mukt2 has left
13:42:32 mathijs has left
13:42:33 mathijs has joined
13:43:50 mathijs has left
13:43:50 mathijs has joined
13:52:34 LNJ has joined
13:52:42 calvin has joined
13:53:12 mukt2 has joined
13:59:31 kokonoe has left
14:04:35 mukt2 has left
14:05:17 alexis has left
14:09:17 adiaholic has left
14:09:19 Wojtek has left
14:09:19 adiaholic has joined
14:13:59 kokonoe has joined
14:22:11 eevvoor has joined
14:23:13 mukt2 has joined
14:25:25 stpeter has joined
14:28:11 Wojtek has joined
14:29:14 mukt2 has left
14:29:32 !XSF_Martin has left
14:29:46 andrey.g has joined
14:33:21 !XSF_Martin has joined
14:37:18 mukt2 has joined
14:38:52 stpeter has left
14:46:51 goffi has joined
14:47:52 eevvoor has left
14:49:22 mukt2 has left
14:49:28 mukt2 has joined
14:52:09 lorddavidiii has left
14:52:58 lorddavidiii has joined
14:56:16 pdurbin has joined
15:02:35 pdurbin has left
15:08:43 kokonoe has left
15:10:27 !XSF_Martin has left
15:11:09 !XSF_Martin has joined
15:12:37 mukt2 has left
15:12:44 mukt2 has joined
15:12:56 DebXWoody has left
15:13:41 j.r has joined
15:14:27 DebXWoody has joined
15:19:00 j.r has left
15:23:55 alexis has joined
15:24:56 alexis has left
15:24:59 alexis has joined
15:26:34 alexis has left
15:27:02 kokonoe has joined
15:28:23 stpeter has joined
15:33:34 mukt2 has left
15:37:22 jubalh has left
15:37:55 mukt2 has joined
15:42:24 Nekit has left
15:42:27 Nekit has joined
15:46:15 j.r has joined
15:46:52 stpeter has left
15:52:13 j.r has left
15:53:42 j.r has joined
15:56:57 mukt2 has left
16:00:45 jubalh has joined
16:01:16 mukt2 has joined
16:02:09 LNJ has left
16:02:49 goffi has left
16:02:50 goffi has joined
16:07:22 SpaceFreak aka Tracer has left
16:08:25 mathijs has left
16:08:25 mathijs has joined
16:13:33 lovetox has joined
16:15:09 Maranda has left
16:15:13 Maranda has joined
16:21:49 LNJ has joined
16:23:43 mukt2 has left
16:27:32 adiaholic has left
16:27:35 adiaholic has joined
16:33:55 mukt2 has joined
16:36:15 Shell has joined
16:38:22 stpeter has joined
16:49:21 Maranda has left
16:49:24 Maranda has joined
16:51:40 murabito has joined
16:54:32 mukt2 has left
16:55:59 pdurbin has joined
16:56:21 lorddavidiii has left
16:56:49 lorddavidiii has joined
16:59:35 mukt2 has joined
17:01:09 kokonoe has left
17:03:26 debacle has left
17:05:03 pdurbin has left
17:09:18 Yagiza has left
17:12:40 !XSF_Martin has left
17:12:43 !XSF_Martin has joined
17:14:23 kokonoe has joined
17:15:10 Steve Kille has left
17:23:38 Steve Kille has joined
17:28:46 j.r has left
17:35:19 SpaceFreak aka Tracer has joined
17:36:36 Nekit has left
17:51:09 !XSF_Martin has left
17:53:03 !XSF_Martin has joined
17:54:07 matkor has left
17:54:08 matkor has joined
17:57:23 kokonoe has left
18:09:31 Daniel has left
18:09:34 Daniel has joined
18:09:41 kokonoe has joined
18:36:58 !XSF_Martin has left
18:37:49 mathijs has left
18:37:49 mathijs has joined
18:38:22 alameyo has left
18:38:24 alameyo has joined
18:38:41 mukt2 has left
18:41:24 mukt2 has joined
18:45:10 Daniel has left
18:45:13 Daniel has joined
18:45:26 Shell has left
18:46:35 !XSF_Martin has joined
18:51:21 mathijs has left
18:51:21 mathijs has joined
18:55:59 pdurbin has joined
19:02:09 SpaceFreak aka Tracer has left
19:03:18 pdurbin has left
19:17:27 !XSF_Martin has left
19:21:54 !XSF_Martin has joined
19:28:37 mukt2 has left
19:32:54 j.r has joined
19:33:42 mukt2 has joined
19:37:15 j.r has left
19:37:37 j.r has joined
19:38:10 !XSF_Martin has left
19:41:06 alameyo has left
19:41:06 alameyo has joined
19:49:52 !XSF_Martin has joined
19:52:00 Wojtek has left
19:54:14 mukt2 has left
19:58:10 Nekit has joined
20:00:45 kokonoe has left
20:04:19 mukt2 has joined
20:07:30 ralphm has left
20:07:33 ralphm has joined
20:08:39 arc has left
20:08:39 arc has joined
20:17:53 andrey.g has left
20:18:08 j.r has left
20:18:35 kokonoe has joined
20:19:05 j.r has joined
20:22:32 mukt2 has left
20:22:37 mukt2 has joined
20:22:37 Nekit has left
20:25:00 sfdcjkl has joined
20:25:29 !XSF_Martin has left
20:25:33 sfdcjkl Kann man mit XMPP in C++ ein Messanger schreiben ?
20:25:51 Dele (Mobile) has left
20:26:30 sfdcjkl Can I write an messanger in C++ with the XMPP protocole ?
20:26:37 sonny has left
20:27:09 Zash Sure. E.g. Swift ( https://swift.im/ ) is an XMPP client written in C++
20:28:33 mukt2 has left
20:28:38 mukt2 has joined
20:28:53 sfdcjkl with server ?
20:29:39 Zash Servers can also be written in C++
20:29:59 sfdcjkl But only C++ no swift
20:31:19 Guus XMPP is a protocol definition, that can be implemented in most programming languages.
20:31:22 sfdcjkl and can i run the server on raspberry pi
20:31:56 Guus See https://xmpp.org/software/ for a listing of some of the available implementations.
20:31:57 Zash Please be aware that you're in a discussion channel for the protocol itself.
20:32:22 Guus People do have servers running on a raspberry, yes. I personally don't have experience with that.
20:32:51 sfdcjkl Okay, sorry, I thought they could help me
20:33:13 Guus No worries, we can.
20:34:45 sfdcjkl Yes I just wanted to write a messenger in C ++ and wanted to inform me about the protocol XMPP and see if it runs on a Paspberry pi ...
20:35:40 Guus I'm a Java dev myself, so I have limited C++ experience.
20:35:53 Guus I think https://camaya.net/gloox/ is a commonly used library for C++ though
20:36:43 Guus Apart from Swiften (note that the name does not relate to Swift from Apple, even if it sounds similar)
20:36:46 mukt2 has left
20:36:47 sfdcjkl Yes and I am a 13 year old student who knows python and now wants to learn C ++ ...
20:36:50 mukt2 has joined
20:37:03 Guus Cool. go for it 🙂
20:37:39 sfdcjkl V
20:37:43 sfdcjkl Oh, I thought of swift an apple, sorry
20:37:55 Daniel If you are just starting out I'd recommend focusing on either the server or the client for now
20:38:22 Daniel And then either use a preexisting server or client to test what you are developing with
20:39:04 Guus Swiften, the XMPP project, existed long before Swift from Apple came along 🙂
20:40:01 sfdcjkl Okay, thank you very much, I have not had this idea for so long and I just did Python and played a bit with the Apache2 server. Now I wanted to learn C ++ but realized that it's fast like python
20:40:06 sfdcjkl Okay, thank you very much, I have not had this idea for so long and I just did Python and played a bit with the Apache2 server. Now I wanted to learn C ++ but realized that it's fast like python
20:41:43 Guus Happy to help. Good luck!
20:41:47 sfdcjkl Oh, and I am there with my Ubuntu (19.04) limited
20:42:28 sonny has joined
20:43:13 sfdcjkl I'm sorry but I have to go offline now because my mother says I should sleep now (time difference)
20:44:53 Guus Sleep tight
20:45:13 Guus I'm thinking more 'age difference' than 'time difference' 😉
20:46:14 sfdcjkl Well I live in Europe
20:46:24 Guus most of us here do.
20:46:26 !XSF_Martin has joined
20:46:29 Guus I'm from the Netherlands myself
20:47:43 sfdcjkl Okay, but I really have to go offline but thank you and good luck;)
20:47:53 sfdcjkl has left
20:47:53 Vaulor has left
20:47:53 Seve has left
20:48:37 mukt2 has left
20:49:42 Guus "XMPP, making mothers angry around the globe"
20:55:39 DebXWoody Oh,... I'm too late. If he will come back, you can show him https://codeberg.org/xmpp-messenger
20:55:59 pdurbin has joined
20:57:26 DebXWoody There are two small gloox apps which can help him. Next weekend I will be able to push XEP-0030 info app.
20:58:15 stpeter has left
20:58:48 mukt2 has joined
21:00:30 !XSF_Martin has left
21:01:44 stpeter has joined
21:01:48 !XSF_Martin has joined
21:07:48 pdurbin has left
21:08:21 lorddavidiii has left
21:09:04 lorddavidiii has joined
21:12:57 alexis has joined
21:14:19 alexis has left
21:16:11 !XSF_Martin has left
21:17:05 !XSF_Martin has joined
21:17:50 mukt2 has left
21:22:41 Maranda has left
21:29:00 mukt2 has joined
21:29:52 Maranda has joined
21:32:28 kokonoe has left
21:40:54 Shell has joined
21:45:45 alexis has joined
21:46:35 mathijs has left
21:46:35 mathijs has joined
21:47:45 kokonoe has joined
21:48:04 mukt2 has left
21:51:45 !XSF_Martin has left
21:54:07 mukt2 has joined
21:56:32 !XSF_Martin has joined
21:57:27 marc_ Is there a good/easy way to generate groupchat invitation URLs for a web client?
21:58:02 kokonoe has left
21:58:14 marc_ Let's say I would like somebody to join our groupchat via web client because the person doesn't have to install an app
21:59:08 marc_ Anybody who thought about this use case?
21:59:20 Zash If it's a public room with a publicly accessible web chat (like this very room!) then you could check if there's an URL for it in disco and send that.
22:00:54 Ge0rG marc_: https://search.jabber.network/search?f=y&q=xsf
22:01:05 kokonoe has joined
22:01:36 Zash jonas’, it forgot about us again! :S
22:01:54 marc_ No, I want invite somebody with one or two clicks
22:01:54 Zash Oh
22:02:05 marc_ No public group chat
22:02:14 Zash Ge0rG, you somehow got all the checkboxes unchecked?
22:04:07 Zash marc_, private groupchat but anonymous web chat access? not aware of anything atm
22:04:41 Zash XEP-0379 but for MUC?
22:05:52 marc_ Would be nice to have that, might lower the on boarding bar
22:06:31 marc_ I thought about that the home server could advertise a web client URL or something like that
22:06:39 Zash marc_, get Ge0rG, yourself and JC in a room together?
22:07:23 Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0379.xml + https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.xml + web client = ???
22:07:31 Zash and a touch of MUC
22:07:58 Ge0rG Zash: did you just say muc password?
22:08:15 marc_ Not sure, maybe a service advertisement would be enough
22:08:21 Zash One-time MUC passwords?
22:08:47 moparisthebest has left
22:09:15 moparisthebest has joined
22:09:46 marc_ Just to advertise web client URLs and that we don't have to rely on a single web service like conversejs.org or something similar
22:10:17 Zash Something in the style of https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html ?
22:11:01 marc_ At the moment I have to generate such URLs manually
22:11:12 Dele (Mobile) has joined
22:11:57 marc_ Maybe, not sure if DNS but some way that my client (e.g. Conv) can generate a web client URL for other users
22:13:06 Zash Hm, consider that a MUC service might be detached from the XMPP service you're on.
22:13:08 !XSF_Martin has left
22:13:11 mukt2 has left
22:13:17 Ge0rG If it's a private room, how do you want to authenticate the web user?
22:13:59 marc_ Not sure, at the moment via the cryptic name :D
22:15:25 marc_ At the moment I don't need security. It's just for "let's join the room and discuss when we meet without fucking WhatsApp"
22:15:47 Tobias has left
22:18:44 lovetox has left
22:19:38 Zash Web client startup code that gets room(s) from the ?query or #hash part of the URL would do the trick?
22:20:06 Zash And some trickery so you know this works
22:20:55 lovetox has joined
22:20:56 Zash Like the trickery done here to get https://search.jabber.network/search?q=xsf to get that "join using browser" link
22:22:29 Ge0rG marc_: the web chat url is in the disco#info response, all you need is to expose that in a client
22:22:45 jubalh has left
22:22:57 lovetox to make it private the room could have a password, and the password could be in the uri
22:23:57 calvin has left
22:23:58 Zash Making it non-public and having a long random name works like a password
22:25:09 andy has left
22:25:10 wurstsalat has left
22:28:42 calvin has joined
22:30:25 paul has left
22:30:29 paul has joined
22:32:37 lovetox has left
22:32:53 gav has left
22:33:41 marc_ Nice, sounds like what I need
22:33:52 marc_ It this disco thing standardized?
22:34:59 marc_ Is this disco thing standardized?
22:35:29 gav has joined
22:37:42 mr.fister has joined
22:40:22 goffi has left
22:41:18 Zash Heh, well, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/828
22:47:51 !XSF_Martin has joined
22:50:02 calvin has left
22:56:16 pdurbin has joined
23:09:07 mukt2 has joined
23:10:09 calvin has joined
23:10:46 Kev has left
23:18:38 karoshi has left
23:18:51 pdurbin has left
23:18:55 calvin has left
23:18:56 calvin has joined
23:23:03 waqas has joined
23:25:14 !XSF_Martin has left
23:27:31 andrey.g has joined
23:28:11 mukt2 has left
23:28:19 kokonoe has left
23:28:23 !XSF_Martin has joined
23:32:23 moparisthebest has left
23:38:17 lorddavidiii has left
23:39:10 mukt2 has joined
23:39:59 mimi89999 has left
23:40:04 mimi89999 has joined
23:42:39 kokonoe has joined
23:45:37 Lance has joined
23:46:08 Lance has left
23:46:21 !XSF_Martin has left
23:49:22 alexis has left
23:53:40 !XSF_Martin has joined