XSF Discussion - 2019-12-11

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  437. sfdcjkl Kann man mit XMPP in C++ ein Messanger schreiben ?
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  439. sfdcjkl Can I write an messanger in C++ with the XMPP protocole ?
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  441. Zash Sure. E.g. Swift ( https://swift.im/ ) is an XMPP client written in C++
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  444. sfdcjkl with server ?
  445. Zash Servers can also be written in C++
  446. sfdcjkl But only C++ no swift
  447. Guus XMPP is a protocol definition, that can be implemented in most programming languages.
  448. sfdcjkl and can i run the server on raspberry pi
  449. Guus See https://xmpp.org/software/ for a listing of some of the available implementations.
  450. Zash Please be aware that you're in a discussion channel for the protocol itself.
  451. Guus People do have servers running on a raspberry, yes. I personally don't have experience with that.
  452. sfdcjkl Okay, sorry, I thought they could help me
  453. Guus No worries, we can.
  454. sfdcjkl Yes I just wanted to write a messenger in C ++ and wanted to inform me about the protocol XMPP and see if it runs on a Paspberry pi ...
  455. Guus I'm a Java dev myself, so I have limited C++ experience.
  456. Guus I think https://camaya.net/gloox/ is a commonly used library for C++ though
  457. Guus Apart from Swiften (note that the name does not relate to Swift from Apple, even if it sounds similar)
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  459. sfdcjkl Yes and I am a 13 year old student who knows python and now wants to learn C ++ ...
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  461. Guus Cool. go for it 🙂
  462. sfdcjkl V
  463. sfdcjkl Oh, I thought of swift an apple, sorry
  464. Daniel If you are just starting out I'd recommend focusing on either the server or the client for now
  465. Daniel And then either use a preexisting server or client to test what you are developing with
  466. Guus Swiften, the XMPP project, existed long before Swift from Apple came along 🙂
  467. sfdcjkl Okay, thank you very much, I have not had this idea for so long and I just did Python and played a bit with the Apache2 server. Now I wanted to learn C ++ but realized that it's fast like python
  468. sfdcjkl Okay, thank you very much, I have not had this idea for so long and I just did Python and played a bit with the Apache2 server. Now I wanted to learn C ++ but realized that it's fast like python
  469. Guus Happy to help. Good luck!
  470. sfdcjkl Oh, and I am there with my Ubuntu (19.04) limited
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  472. sfdcjkl I'm sorry but I have to go offline now because my mother says I should sleep now (time difference)
  473. Guus Sleep tight
  474. Guus I'm thinking more 'age difference' than 'time difference' 😉
  475. sfdcjkl Well I live in Europe
  476. Guus most of us here do.
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  478. Guus I'm from the Netherlands myself
  479. sfdcjkl Okay, but I really have to go offline but thank you and good luck;)
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  484. Guus "XMPP, making mothers angry around the globe"
  485. DebXWoody Oh,... I'm too late. If he will come back, you can show him https://codeberg.org/xmpp-messenger
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  487. DebXWoody There are two small gloox apps which can help him. Next weekend I will be able to push XEP-0030 info app.
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  514. marc_ Is there a good/easy way to generate groupchat invitation URLs for a web client?
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  516. marc_ Let's say I would like somebody to join our groupchat via web client because the person doesn't have to install an app
  517. marc_ Anybody who thought about this use case?
  518. Zash If it's a public room with a publicly accessible web chat (like this very room!) then you could check if there's an URL for it in disco and send that.
  519. Ge0rG marc_: https://search.jabber.network/search?f=y&q=xsf
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  521. Zash jonas’, it forgot about us again! :S
  522. marc_ No, I want invite somebody with one or two clicks
  523. Zash Oh
  524. marc_ No public group chat
  525. Zash Ge0rG, you somehow got all the checkboxes unchecked?
  526. Zash marc_, private groupchat but anonymous web chat access? not aware of anything atm
  527. Zash XEP-0379 but for MUC?
  528. marc_ Would be nice to have that, might lower the on boarding bar
  529. marc_ I thought about that the home server could advertise a web client URL or something like that
  530. Zash marc_, get Ge0rG, yourself and JC in a room together?
  531. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0379.xml + https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.xml + web client = ???
  532. Zash and a touch of MUC
  533. Ge0rG Zash: did you just say muc password?
  534. marc_ Not sure, maybe a service advertisement would be enough
  535. Zash One-time MUC passwords?
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  538. marc_ Just to advertise web client URLs and that we don't have to rely on a single web service like conversejs.org or something similar
  539. Zash Something in the style of https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html ?
  540. marc_ At the moment I have to generate such URLs manually
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  542. marc_ Maybe, not sure if DNS but some way that my client (e.g. Conv) can generate a web client URL for other users
  543. Zash Hm, consider that a MUC service might be detached from the XMPP service you're on.
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  546. Ge0rG If it's a private room, how do you want to authenticate the web user?
  547. marc_ Not sure, at the moment via the cryptic name :D
  548. marc_ At the moment I don't need security. It's just for "let's join the room and discuss when we meet without fucking WhatsApp"
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  551. Zash Web client startup code that gets room(s) from the ?query or #hash part of the URL would do the trick?
  552. Zash And some trickery so you know this works
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  554. Zash Like the trickery done here to get https://search.jabber.network/search?q=xsf to get that "join using browser" link
  555. Ge0rG marc_: the web chat url is in the disco#info response, all you need is to expose that in a client
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  557. lovetox to make it private the room could have a password, and the password could be in the uri
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  559. Zash Making it non-public and having a long random name works like a password
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  567. marc_ Nice, sounds like what I need
  568. marc_ It this disco thing standardized?
  569. marc_ Is this disco thing standardized?
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  573. Zash Heh, well, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/828
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