XSF Discussion - 2020-02-01


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  110. edhelas https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22202206
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  122. Daniel > Absent leadership from XSF also plays a role. This club now mostly cares about bureaucracy and following a set of self-imposed rules instead of developing a set of working standards that would allow XMPP apps to compete with the best messaging apps out there. That's why it is unlikely for any great product to appear under such guidance.
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  131. Guus Auch
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  151. pep. > However, the messaging features of these platforms are all nearly identical lol
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  240. jonas’ search.jabber.network got an update: - Invalid language tags are now omitted from the UI and @lang attributes for accessibility - Language statistics are available at: https://search.jabber.network/stats#languages (thanks debacle for bringing it up) - There’s now an OpenSearch descriptor which should allow adding s.j.n as search engine to your browser (thanks to Zash for figuring out how)
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  244. Zash Wooh
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  249. jonas’ Ge0rG, can you please review this: https://github.com/horazont/muchopper/pull/50 specifically the URL regex
  250. jonas’ (and anyone else who’s interested)
  251. jonas’ (it’s also live on beta.search.jabber.network for visual testing)
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  253. Zash How does it handle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody_(software) ?
  254. Zash How does it handle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody_(software)) ?
  255. jonas’ badly
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  257. jonas’ please URL encode your parenthesis in the MUC description :)
  258. Zash (Not a correction, two separate test cases)
  259. jonas’ or invent a more clever regex
  260. Zash I would like to thank browsers for not doing that anymore
  261. jonas’ yeah
  262. jonas’ I feel very clever for finding a solution to the "how to mix keyword highlighting and url linkification without getting in a terrible mess of HTML escaping" problem by joining the regexes together
  263. Zash ZOMG
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  271. Ge0rG jonas’: no mental capacity at the moment, sorry
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  280. !XSF_Martin jonas’: So now 'de, en' is invalid?
  281. jonas’ !XSF_Martin, it always was
  282. jonas’ <field var='muc#roominfo_lang' label='Language of discussion'> <value>en</value> </field>
  283. jonas’ it’s a text-single field
  284. jonas’ if multiple languages were intended, it should’ve been text-multi
  285. !XSF_Martin What's the valid way if you support two langs? Two value fields? How do I teach my muc to have two?
  286. jonas’ !XSF_Martin, the valid way is to bring a XEP on the way which supporst that
  287. jonas’ my suggestion is to have a separate "secondary languages" field and let the primary language be the language which is used for the description and title of the room
  288. !XSF_Martin I don't think I have the skills to write an xep, so in fact it is impossible 😂
  289. jonas’ !XSF_Martin, writing a XEP is easy
  290. jonas’ you copy the template and fill in the blanks ;)
  291. jonas’ stealing most of your stuff from other XEPs doing a similar thing
  292. jonas’ also, description text linkification is live now
  293. Zash Or you could write a custom markdown-to-XEP converter!
  294. !XSF_Martin Oh yeah. Then I will get my Dr. soon. I just take a dissertation template and fill the blanks. 😇
  295. !XSF_Martin But right now I'm fighting with another near impossible task. Creating a debian source package that will split out profanity and profanity-nox.
  296. !XSF_Martin But right now I'm fighting with another near impossible task. Creating a debian source package that will spit out profanity and profanity-nox.
  297. jonas’ I didn’t even know that profanity had a X frontend
  298. !XSF_Martin It doesn't have but it has support for some xscreensaver-stuff, notifications and a tray-icon. The normal debian-package has all this enabled and will pull in Xorg if you try to install it on a headless system
  299. jonas’ ah, I see
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  338. Ge0rG jonas’ [13:39]: > my suggestion is to have a separate "secondary languages" field and let the primary language be the language which is used for the description and title of the room And this is how you end up with overengineered protocols!
  339. Ge0rG !XSF_Martin: my headless server has a significant amount of X libraries
  340. !XSF_Martin Ge0rG: I'd like to avoid that if possible
  341. !XSF_Martin apt install --no-install-recommends profanity :( Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: adwaita-icon-theme fontconfig gtk-update-icon-cache hicolor-icon-theme libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libcairo2 libcroco3 libcups2 libdatrie1 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgpgme11 libgraphite2-3 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common libharfbuzz0b libnotify4 libotr5 libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpixman-1-0 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libstrophe0 libthai-data libthai0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxfixes3 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxss1 x11-common
  342. jonas’ Ge0rG, I’m open for other options. as a web service, I need to know which language is used for the description + title
  343. Ge0rG Pango and Cairo. What could go wrong?
  344. Ge0rG jonas’: is sjn considered a valid tag?
  345. Ge0rG jonas’: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.5
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  348. jubalh Martin opensuse .. 😉😁
  349. Ge0rG It's the icing on the cake of horrible protocol designs
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  352. jonas’ Ge0rG, no
  353. jonas’ Ge0rG, actually, Accept-Language is a thing I miss in xmpp
  354. Zash jonas’: Where? vCard (at least 4) has a language field
  355. Zash Or you mean like `@xml:lang` but multiple-choice?
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  358. jonas’ Zash, yeah
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  360. jonas’ @xml:lang, but like Accept-Langauge
  361. jonas’ @xml:lang, but like Accept-Language
  362. Zash jonas’: `<headers xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/shim'><header name='Accept-Language'>en,sv</header></headers>`
  363. jonas’ Zash, try to stick that into an IQ
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  366. Zash jonas’: `Accept-Language: en;q=0.9;level=1,sv;q=.9999;level=2` parse this
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  370. jonas’ been there, was fun
  371. jonas’ better than css either way
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  565. debacle Zash, "level"? You made that up, did you? Just to make it Turing complete eventually.
  566. Zash debacle: Accept has that
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  568. debacle Zash, wow, I wasn't aware of that. But Accept-Language not? BNF in RFC 2616: Accept-Language = "Accept-Language" ":" 1#( language-range [ ";" "q" "=" qvalue ] ) language-range = ( ( 1*8ALPHA *( "-" 1*8ALPHA ) ) | "*" ) and the example: Accept-Language: da, en-gb;q=0.8, en;q=0.7 Not *that* bad.
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  597. jonas’ yeah, Accept-Language is pretty tame
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  601. Ge0rG How do you weight the q value against the ordering of the elements?
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