XSF Discussion - 2020-02-12

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  56. Ge0rG

    jubalh: there was also a heated debate, with some people claiming that your approach is the most sensible one

  57. Ge0rG

    those people lost

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  59. pep.

    poezio still does it that way fwiw, it's on the TODO(tm) to change it

  60. Ge0rG

    jubalh: so essentially, you need to store the first message id and the last correction's message id and match on either

  61. Holger

    Welcome to XMPP!

  62. Holger

    The obvious solution would be to introduce another ID.

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  64. pep.

    Holger, I escape issues by not sending more than one correction to a message :-°

  65. Holger


  66. Holger

    As an MCabber user, I appreciate that anyway.

  67. pep.


  68. Ge0rG

    Info> Plugin progress loaded

  69. jonas’

    that’s akin to "ICMB armed"

  70. jonas’

    that’s akin to "ICBM armed"

  71. pep.

    I don't especially dislike corrections. I do dislike the social crap around it though (and around other features that fondamentally disrupt the normal flow of discussion)

  72. jonas’

    I get the impression most of the things you dislike are about the social crap around it ;)

  73. pep.


  74. Ge0rG


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  76. Holger

    XMPP would be awesome if people wouldn't abuse it for communication.

  77. pep.

    Holger, yeah

  78. pep.

    Well.. not exactly

  79. Ge0rG

    > XMPP would be awesome if people wouldn't ~ab~ use it ~for communication~.

  80. pep.

    I'm still gonna have to fight people on how to use other solutions..

  81. Daniel

    I just store all ids

  82. Daniel

    And if any match I apply the correction

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  84. Daniel

    Yolo message correction

  85. Ge0rG

    Daniel: that only works if you also store all versions of the message (which is a good idea to do anyway, but not always feasible)

  86. Daniel

    Yeah I'll keep that in mind for the 2023 rewrite

  87. pep.

    I'm still curious to know if <body/> is the only thing ever that can be corrected

  88. pep.

    Because that's not how I read the thing

  89. Ge0rG

    pep.: anything can be corrected

  90. pep.

    Right so I need to keep the entire message

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  92. Ge0rG

    pep.: it depend

  93. Ge0rG

    pep.: it depends

  94. pep.

    "The receiving client then treats the newly received payloads as completely replacing all payloads of the original message."

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  96. pep.

    (which also makes it work btw with e2ee)

  97. Ge0rG

    pep.: yes

  98. Ge0rG

    pep.: if you only store the body, you can replace the body with whatever you extract from the correction

  99. pep.

    Ge0rG, "I sent you an OMEMO encrypted message but your client doesn’t seem to support that. Find more information on https://conversations.im/omemo"

  100. Daniel

    So if you are correcting a 184 you have to remove one checkmark and apply it somewhere else

  101. Ge0rG

    Daniel: yeah

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  103. Ge0rG

    except, if somebody LMCs a 0184, you are allowed to do horrible things to them

  104. pep.

    Send them a LMC of 0184 in return?

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  106. Daniel

    I just correct the same 333 display marker over and over. That's how I move it down

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  108. jubalh

    Daniel: yes I guessed that Conversations does something different. Because my tests with Conversations worked even before I read that detail.

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  111. pep.

    Daniel, jk? (just to make sure)

  112. Daniel

    jubalh: yes Conversations did the old thing until fairly Recently. And I want to be compatible with myself

  113. Daniel

    pep.: yes

  114. Daniel

    But that'd be funny. Because that's how you could also move it up

  115. Daniel

    And unread things

  116. Ge0rG

    Daniel: that's an awesome idea. That way, mamfc will only give you the latest Marker!

  117. pep.


  118. pep.

    Daniel, actually I like that :x

  119. pep.

    Not especially the LMC hack, but the possibility to move it up again

  120. pep.

    "Wait no I wasn't done read here actually"

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  123. pep.

    (Of course I still don't want to send that to the recipient, only to myself, but most people probably don't care :))

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  125. pep.

    Maybe the new Inbox answers this

  126. pep.

    or not

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  129. jubalh

    Daniel: whats the old thing?

  130. Daniel

    Using the last ID

  131. Daniel

    Not the original id

  132. jubalh


  133. jubalh

    Well. I would have much preferred that way

  134. jubalh

    Still don't see an advantage of the "new way"

  135. pep.

    I don't either

  136. Daniel

    Well think of it as fastening

  137. Daniel

    You need to store all the corrections alongside the original

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  140. jubalh

    So far I store only the message/last correction

  141. pep.

    So it's technically possible to remove a correction right? Or would be, with fastening

  142. Daniel

    On the server side I mean

  143. Ge0rG ,oO( https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-April/036023.html )

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  308. jonas’

    also, I’m getting better at catching up with deferrals

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  320. Ge0rG

    is it me or is the static content on xmpp.net b0rked?

  321. Ge0rG

    I'm getting 502

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  324. jonas’

    the entire thing seems to be overloaded at the moment

  325. jonas’

    it sends 502 when that happens

  326. jonas’

    so maybe it just struck you for the static contentw hile your non-static request went through

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  330. MattJ

    ugh, the disk was full earlier, maybe some cache got messed up

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  333. !XSF_Martin

    > ugh, the disk was full earlier, maybe some cache got messed up No more xeps! Save storage!

  334. !XSF_Martin

    Ah, net, not org

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  347. jonas’

    same disk tho, afaik

  348. MattJ


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  364. Kev

    And, indeed, it was xmpp.net('s backups) that caused the full disk.

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