XSF Discussion - 2020-02-12

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  56. Ge0rG jubalh: there was also a heated debate, with some people claiming that your approach is the most sensible one
  57. Ge0rG those people lost
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  59. pep. poezio still does it that way fwiw, it's on the TODO(tm) to change it
  60. Ge0rG jubalh: so essentially, you need to store the first message id and the last correction's message id and match on either
  61. Holger Welcome to XMPP!
  62. Holger The obvious solution would be to introduce another ID.
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  64. pep. Holger, I escape issues by not sending more than one correction to a message :-°
  65. Holger :-)
  66. Holger As an MCabber user, I appreciate that anyway.
  67. pep. hehe
  68. Ge0rG Info> Plugin progress loaded
  69. jonas’ that’s akin to "ICMB armed"
  70. jonas’ that’s akin to "ICBM armed"
  71. pep. I don't especially dislike corrections. I do dislike the social crap around it though (and around other features that fondamentally disrupt the normal flow of discussion)
  72. jonas’ I get the impression most of the things you dislike are about the social crap around it ;)
  73. pep. Probably
  74. Ge0rG https://op-co.de/tmp/progress.mp4
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  76. Holger XMPP would be awesome if people wouldn't abuse it for communication.
  77. pep. Holger, yeah
  78. pep. Well.. not exactly
  79. Ge0rG > XMPP would be awesome if people wouldn't ~ab~ use it ~for communication~.
  80. pep. I'm still gonna have to fight people on how to use other solutions..
  81. Daniel I just store all ids
  82. Daniel And if any match I apply the correction
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  84. Daniel Yolo message correction
  85. Ge0rG Daniel: that only works if you also store all versions of the message (which is a good idea to do anyway, but not always feasible)
  86. Daniel Yeah I'll keep that in mind for the 2023 rewrite
  87. pep. I'm still curious to know if <body/> is the only thing ever that can be corrected
  88. pep. Because that's not how I read the thing
  89. Ge0rG pep.: anything can be corrected
  90. pep. Right so I need to keep the entire message
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  92. Ge0rG pep.: it depend
  93. Ge0rG pep.: it depends
  94. pep. "The receiving client then treats the newly received payloads as completely replacing all payloads of the original message."
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  96. pep. (which also makes it work btw with e2ee)
  97. Ge0rG pep.: yes
  98. Ge0rG pep.: if you only store the body, you can replace the body with whatever you extract from the correction
  99. pep. Ge0rG, "I sent you an OMEMO encrypted message but your client doesn’t seem to support that. Find more information on https://conversations.im/omemo"
  100. Daniel So if you are correcting a 184 you have to remove one checkmark and apply it somewhere else
  101. Ge0rG Daniel: yeah
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  103. Ge0rG except, if somebody LMCs a 0184, you are allowed to do horrible things to them
  104. pep. Send them a LMC of 0184 in return?
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  106. Daniel I just correct the same 333 display marker over and over. That's how I move it down
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  108. jubalh Daniel: yes I guessed that Conversations does something different. Because my tests with Conversations worked even before I read that detail.
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  111. pep. Daniel, jk? (just to make sure)
  112. Daniel jubalh: yes Conversations did the old thing until fairly Recently. And I want to be compatible with myself
  113. Daniel pep.: yes
  114. Daniel But that'd be funny. Because that's how you could also move it up
  115. Daniel And unread things
  116. Ge0rG Daniel: that's an awesome idea. That way, mamfc will only give you the latest Marker!
  117. pep. interesting
  118. pep. Daniel, actually I like that :x
  119. pep. Not especially the LMC hack, but the possibility to move it up again
  120. pep. "Wait no I wasn't done read here actually"
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  123. pep. (Of course I still don't want to send that to the recipient, only to myself, but most people probably don't care :))
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  125. pep. Maybe the new Inbox answers this
  126. pep. or not
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  129. jubalh Daniel: whats the old thing?
  130. Daniel Using the last ID
  131. Daniel Not the original id
  132. jubalh ah
  133. jubalh Well. I would have much preferred that way
  134. jubalh Still don't see an advantage of the "new way"
  135. pep. I don't either
  136. Daniel Well think of it as fastening
  137. Daniel You need to store all the corrections alongside the original
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  140. jubalh So far I store only the message/last correction
  141. pep. So it's technically possible to remove a correction right? Or would be, with fastening
  142. Daniel On the server side I mean
  143. Ge0rG ,oO( https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-April/036023.html )
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  308. jonas’ also, I’m getting better at catching up with deferrals
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  320. Ge0rG is it me or is the static content on xmpp.net b0rked?
  321. Ge0rG I'm getting 502
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  324. jonas’ the entire thing seems to be overloaded at the moment
  325. jonas’ it sends 502 when that happens
  326. jonas’ so maybe it just struck you for the static contentw hile your non-static request went through
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  330. MattJ ugh, the disk was full earlier, maybe some cache got messed up
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  333. !XSF_Martin > ugh, the disk was full earlier, maybe some cache got messed up No more xeps! Save storage!
  334. !XSF_Martin Ah, net, not org
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  347. jonas’ same disk tho, afaik
  348. MattJ Yes
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  364. Kev And, indeed, it was xmpp.net('s backups) that caused the full disk.
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