XSF Discussion - 2020-02-20

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  164. MattJ Thanks pep.
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  382. Guus Board meeting time.
  383. Guus Seve ralphm MattJ pep. ?
  384. pep. !
  385. MattJ Here!
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  389. pep. We have quorum, and there's an item, let's start?
  390. Guus sure
  391. Guus go for it pep. 🙂
  392. pep. Ok
  393. pep. 1. Who do we have / Agenda
  394. pep. - https://trello.com/c/8Q5XQWks/388-clean-up-editor-team-memberships
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  396. Guus I've nothing to add.
  397. MattJ Here, nothing to add
  398. pep. 2. Cleanup editor team membership
  399. pep. Jonas raised this "issue"
  400. pep. There are lots of people in the editor team that are and have been inactive for some time now
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  402. moparisthebest (agenda proposal: can I test authentication of mailing list by attempting to impersonate board member on board@ mailing list with a "test" message, not priority)
  403. Guus We're talking about these six? https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/editor-team
  404. MattJ I imagine so, yes
  405. Guus jonas’ reasoning makes sense to me. My suggestion would be for the team lead to reach out to members, see if they're interested in retaining their membership, and act accordingly.
  406. MattJ My proposal would be to simply ping each individual
  407. pep. Guus, yes. Effectively it's mostly jonas though. I joined not so long ago and I helped for some time. I know JC is helping here and there
  408. MattJ I trust people to step down who don't feel they are up to working on the team
  409. Guus I'd warn against removing power to help from people that do help, if only occasionally, but I'm happy for the team to make that judgement themselves.
  410. pep. MattJ, I'm not entirely sure about that, but if we ping them yes that seems more likely
  411. pep. I also doubt that's an issue of the editor team alone
  412. MattJ pep., I mean a simple "Do you still want to be on the Editors team?" is going to work 99.9% of the time
  413. MattJ Yes, likely so
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  415. pep. Infra also has.. 8 person
  416. Zash Also, there are no guarantees that the website is up to date
  417. Guus Let's have the leads of the teams that are interesting in reducing the size of teams initiate this - not board.
  418. Guus Zash more reason for team leads to drive this.
  419. Guus as MattJ mentioned, it should be fairly simple
  420. MattJ Guus, *is* there a team lead for editors?
  421. MattJ > Members of the work team shall be selected by the XMPP Council after a call for volunteers from among the XSF membership, and shall be approved by the XSF Board of Directors.
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  424. pep. I doubt there is an official one. But de facto I'd say jonas’ :)
  425. Guus MattJ I assumed every WT had a lead - I might be very wrong - but as jonas’ is a defacto team lead...
  426. MattJ I don't know if it's fair to dump extra undefined responsibility on Jonas as a reward for all the work he's been doing :)
  427. pep. :D
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  429. pep. We can start a which hu^W^Wthread on the list.
  430. Guus Bweh. Anyone can ask people of they're interested in remaining in the team.
  431. MattJ Agreed
  432. Guus that takes less effort than what it takes to have the discussion we're having now 🙂
  433. pep. And this should probably be somewhat automated
  434. MattJ We may want to update the charter though to indicate some process for removal, it essentially only says how to add people to the team
  435. pep. Having people renew their affiliation to teams or sth(?)
  436. MattJ But e.g. if council were to review annually, that would suffice
  437. Guus let's not overcomplicate things
  438. pep. council?
  439. Guus the nuisance is minor
  440. MattJ pep., the charter says council are responsible for selecting team members, yes
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  442. pep. Ah, editors
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  444. MattJ Yes
  445. MattJ I'm also fine with not over-complicating things, I can ping people who are listed on the team currently
  446. pep. Ok. let's just do this for now
  447. Guus we can also have one blanket email to the list
  448. pep. "Please people who are inactive and not following the life of the XSF, show yourself" :P
  449. Guus "if you're a listed member of the team, please consider if you want to remain listed <for reasons Jonas wrote down>"
  450. MattJ Problem: the inactive people may not be paying attention :)
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  453. Guus Those on the editors list are
  454. Kev I did send out a 'who's still active?' mail a year ago, I just didn't get around to purging.
  455. Guus Kev, Peter, someone named pep. ...
  456. Guus jc is, flow is.
  457. Guus Kev do you have the results somewhere?
  458. Guus we might as well start with those.
  459. Kev Probably, somewhere.
  460. Kev Won't be digging it out this week, at least though, I'm on leave.
  461. MattJ Results from a year ago may no longer be accurate, so we might as well just do it again
  462. Guus Agreed.
  463. pep. Ok MattJ proposed to ping people directly to see if they're still ok. MattJ are you ok taking this on?
  464. Guus lets do that.
  465. MattJ I'll present a list of inactive people by next week
  466. MattJ One way or another
  467. Kev I suspect the list of people who replied last time, plus anyone who's joined since, is probably fine, but w/e.
  468. MattJ Bored now :)
  469. pep. Thanks
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  471. pep. moparisthebest, I'd say your item is for iteam
  472. pep. 3. AOB?
  473. MattJ moparisthebest, representing iteam then, I'm fine with you sending a test email
  474. Guus hey iteam is hyjacking our meeting! 🙂
  475. Guus I have no AOB
  476. MattJ No AOB here
  477. pep. Ok let's close then.
  478. pep. Thanks all
  479. Guus Thanks!
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  482. MattJ moparisthebest, please just make clear in the email itself that it is not authentic
  483. MattJ by e.g. linking to this discussion
  484. moparisthebest thanks, yea a link to this is a good idea, I was definitely going for "test this is only a test, please ignore" etc :)
  485. pep. I don't think you particularly need authorization to try this kind of things out. I already know you can make me say weird things via email by impersonating me :P
  486. pep. Hence me signing my mails
  487. pep. That's why I sign my emails
  488. moparisthebest right, well if impersonation is possible, anyone can do it rather anonymously, I just prefer asking first :)
  489. MattJ Yep, I appreciate that :)
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  491. MattJ Kev, flow: you're both here but offline in my roster (I daren't dig into why) - but in case you didn't get my message, feel free to let me know here whether you'd like to continue as a member of the Editors team
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  495. Zash Kev: How do we get you to renew your cert?
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  545. Kev MattJ: Aye.
  546. Kev Zash: Time Turner?
  547. Kev Needs me to bother with changing everything around so that the webserver and XMPP server run on the same machine, so I can LE web stuff and use the certs for XMPP.
  548. Kev As I don't particularly want to keep paying for certs.
  549. Zash I'm quite happy with DNS based challenges FWIW.
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  557. moparisthebest Kev, so they don't have to be on the same machine, and the 2 machines don't even need to communicate if you go this way (requires 1-time change to your HTTP server) https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Stateless-Mode
  558. moparisthebest but yes, I also recently switched to DNS based challenges instead because I wanted wildcard certs
  559. jonas’ (*) if you run nginx
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  561. moparisthebest jonas’, I assume any other webserver could do similar?
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  563. moparisthebest maybe you'd need some script/cgi for some
  564. jonas’ not sure how to make apache return a static string, but I guess I’d simply put the file somewhere
  565. jonas’ ah, no, it needs to include something from the request, meh
  566. moparisthebest yep, copy a bit of the request into the response
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  568. moparisthebest and you don't have to use acme.sh with this, any acme client with http challenge support (all of them) works
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  595. pep. https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/894#event-3056122474 hah github. "This PR fixes xsf/xeps#894 for smack-omemo." and poof the issue on an unrelated repo is closed. I'm not sure I like the rules of closing etc.
  596. pep. Probably because flow has rights on both?
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  599. moparisthebest what
  600. moparisthebest oh, well I certainly hope so otherwise that's a pretty big (security?) bug
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  647. jonas’ flow does have +w on xeps
  648. jonas’ he’s an editor after all.
  649. jonas’ it’s more or less a feature that you can cross-project close issues
  650. jonas’ but I wasn’t aware that this also holds for PRs
  651. jonas’ because closing a PR by merging a different one with the keyword "fixes" is somewhat odd
  652. Zash It did say "fixes xsf/xeps#nnnn", so I guess it made sense for someone somewhere to make it do that
  653. jonas’ you can’t fix a PR
  654. jonas’ you can fix an issue
  655. jonas’ you can obsolete a PR
  656. !XSF_Martin Zash is defending github? 😳
  657. jonas’ but not fix a PR
  658. jonas’ it doesn’t make sense and I guess it’s an artifact of PRs and Issues being mostly the same thing on github
  659. jonas’ (they share the same numberspace for example)
  660. Zash They're all probably aliases for "close(s|d)" tho
  661. Zash since there's no "fixed" issues either, they're closed
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  676. pep. https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback
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  707. vanitasvitae The more you know :D
  708. vanitasvitae Stupid Github
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  713. emus > https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback Cool, I thinks thats very good. If thats official and decided I would put it to the wiki at least. maybe also the website
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