pep.There are lots of people in the editor team that are and have been inactive for some time now
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moparisthebest(agenda proposal: can I test authentication of mailing list by attempting to impersonate board member on board@ mailing list with a "test" message, not priority)
GuusWe're talking about these six? https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/editor-team
MattJI imagine so, yes
Guusjonas’ reasoning makes sense to me. My suggestion would be for the team lead to reach out to members, see if they're interested in retaining their membership, and act accordingly.
MattJMy proposal would be to simply ping each individual
pep.Guus, yes. Effectively it's mostly jonas though. I joined not so long ago and I helped for some time. I know JC is helping here and there
MattJI trust people to step down who don't feel they are up to working on the team
GuusI'd warn against removing power to help from people that do help, if only occasionally, but I'm happy for the team to make that judgement themselves.
pep.MattJ, I'm not entirely sure about that, but if we ping them yes that seems more likely
pep.I also doubt that's an issue of the editor team alone
MattJpep., I mean a simple "Do you still want to be on the Editors team?" is going to work 99.9% of the time
MattJYes, likely so
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pep.Infra also has.. 8 person
ZashAlso, there are no guarantees that the website is up to date
GuusLet's have the leads of the teams that are interesting in reducing the size of teams initiate this - not board.
GuusZash more reason for team leads to drive this.
Guusas MattJ mentioned, it should be fairly simple
MattJGuus, *is* there a team lead for editors?
MattJ> Members of the work team shall be selected by the XMPP Council after a call for volunteers from among the XSF membership, and shall be approved by the XSF Board of Directors.
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pep.I doubt there is an official one. But de facto I'd say jonas’ :)
GuusMattJ I assumed every WT had a lead - I might be very wrong - but as jonas’ is a defacto team lead...
MattJI don't know if it's fair to dump extra undefined responsibility on Jonas as a reward for all the work he's been doing :)
pep.:D
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pep.We can start a which hu^W^Wthread on the list.
GuusBweh. Anyone can ask people of they're interested in remaining in the team.
MattJAgreed
Guusthat takes less effort than what it takes to have the discussion we're having now 🙂
pep.And this should probably be somewhat automated
MattJWe may want to update the charter though to indicate some process for removal, it essentially only says how to add people to the team
pep.Having people renew their affiliation to teams or sth(?)
MattJBut e.g. if council were to review annually, that would suffice
Guuslet's not overcomplicate things
pep.council?
Guusthe nuisance is minor
MattJpep., the charter says council are responsible for selecting team members, yes
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pep.Ah, editors
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MattJYes
MattJI'm also fine with not over-complicating things, I can ping people who are listed on the team currently
pep.Ok. let's just do this for now
Guuswe can also have one blanket email to the list
pep."Please people who are inactive and not following the life of the XSF, show yourself" :P
Guus"if you're a listed member of the team, please consider if you want to remain listed <for reasons Jonas wrote down>"
MattJProblem: the inactive people may not be paying attention :)
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GuusThose on the editors list are
KevI did send out a 'who's still active?' mail a year ago, I just didn't get around to purging.
GuusKev, Peter, someone named pep. ...
Guusjc is, flow is.
GuusKev do you have the results somewhere?
Guuswe might as well start with those.
KevProbably, somewhere.
KevWon't be digging it out this week, at least though, I'm on leave.
MattJResults from a year ago may no longer be accurate, so we might as well just do it again
GuusAgreed.
pep.Ok MattJ proposed to ping people directly to see if they're still ok. MattJ are you ok taking this on?
Guuslets do that.
MattJI'll present a list of inactive people by next week
MattJOne way or another
KevI suspect the list of people who replied last time, plus anyone who's joined since, is probably fine, but w/e.
MattJBored now :)
pep.Thanks
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pep.moparisthebest, I'd say your item is for iteam
pep.3. AOB?
MattJmoparisthebest, representing iteam then, I'm fine with you sending a test email
Guushey iteam is hyjacking our meeting! 🙂
GuusI have no AOB
MattJNo AOB here
pep.Ok let's close then.
pep.Thanks all
GuusThanks!
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MattJmoparisthebest, please just make clear in the email itself that it is not authentic
MattJby e.g. linking to this discussion
moparisthebestthanks, yea a link to this is a good idea, I was definitely going for "test this is only a test, please ignore" etc :)
pep.I don't think you particularly need authorization to try this kind of things out. I already know you can make me say weird things via email by impersonating me :P
pep.Hence me signing my mails
pep.That's why I sign my emails
moparisthebestright, well if impersonation is possible, anyone can do it rather anonymously, I just prefer asking first :)
MattJYep, I appreciate that :)
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MattJKev, flow: you're both here but offline in my roster (I daren't dig into why) - but in case you didn't get my message, feel free to let me know here whether you'd like to continue as a member of the Editors team
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ZashKev: How do we get you to renew your cert?
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KevMattJ: Aye.
KevZash: Time Turner?
KevNeeds me to bother with changing everything around so that the webserver and XMPP server run on the same machine, so I can LE web stuff and use the certs for XMPP.
KevAs I don't particularly want to keep paying for certs.
ZashI'm quite happy with DNS based challenges FWIW.
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moparisthebestKev, so they don't have to be on the same machine, and the 2 machines don't even need to communicate if you go this way (requires 1-time change to your HTTP server) https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Stateless-Mode
moparisthebestbut yes, I also recently switched to DNS based challenges instead because I wanted wildcard certs
jonas’(*) if you run nginx
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moparisthebestjonas’, I assume any other webserver could do similar?
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moparisthebestmaybe you'd need some script/cgi for some
jonas’not sure how to make apache return a static string, but I guess I’d simply put the file somewhere
jonas’ah, no, it needs to include something from the request, meh
moparisthebestyep, copy a bit of the request into the response
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moparisthebestand you don't have to use acme.sh with this, any acme client with http challenge support (all of them) works
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pep.https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/894#event-3056122474 hah github. "This PR fixes xsf/xeps#894 for smack-omemo." and poof the issue on an unrelated repo is closed. I'm not sure I like the rules of closing etc.
pep.Probably because flow has rights on both?
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moparisthebestwhat
moparisthebestoh, well I certainly hope so otherwise that's a pretty big (security?) bug
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jonas’flow does have +w on xeps
jonas’he’s an editor after all.
jonas’it’s more or less a feature that you can cross-project close issues
jonas’but I wasn’t aware that this also holds for PRs
jonas’because closing a PR by merging a different one with the keyword "fixes" is somewhat odd
ZashIt did say "fixes xsf/xeps#nnnn", so I guess it made sense for someone somewhere to make it do that
jonas’you can’t fix a PR
jonas’you can fix an issue
jonas’you can obsolete a PR
!XSF_MartinZash is defending github? 😳
jonas’but not fix a PR
jonas’it doesn’t make sense and I guess it’s an artifact of PRs and Issues being mostly the same thing on github
jonas’(they share the same numberspace for example)
ZashThey're all probably aliases for "close(s|d)" tho
Zashsince there's no "fixed" issues either, they're closed
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pep.https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback
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vanitasvitaeThe more you know :D
vanitasvitaeStupid Github
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emus> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2020-February/009120.html I just sent this, (scam) proposal to support sprints. Please give feedback
Cool, I thinks thats very good. If thats official and decided I would put it to the wiki at least. maybe also the website