XSF Discussion - 2020-02-21

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07:23:30 Ellenor Malik Kev: use a dns challenge
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09:48:59 dwd Daniel and Guus's emails on '198 almost made me spit my tea over my keyboard.
09:49:43 dwd But also, yeah, Pando is 100% mobile at the moment and uses 198 resumption because Hospital Wifi is even worse than Guus's parents'.
10:04:18 Kev That sounds like a pretty unanimous "I should be using DNS challenges". I'll look into it when I have some cycles - which is certainly not this week. Today is "playing Gloomhaven all day before doing night two of the show" day.
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10:10:15 jonas’ Yes, you should be using DNS challenge
10:10:31 Kev 👍
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12:51:45 Guus dwd, if Pando is interested in selling my Parents' wifi to their customers as an upgrade, let me know.
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12:56:21 jonas’ I wonder what would happen if I made a MUC roon service *send* a presence-join to another MUC room
12:56:59 jonas’ from playing the scenario in my head, this might end up with a very bare bones bridge between the rooms
12:57:27 jonas’ all messages from the respectively "remote" room will appear under the same nickname
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12:58:16 fippo dmuc or fmuc probably have lengthy xml examples for that
12:58:59 jonas’ are they based on that pattern?
12:59:02 Zash Yes
12:59:07 Zash At least one of them
12:59:12 jonas’ interesting
13:00:24 jonas’ I'd like to have a read-only aggregate feed of all the XSF MUCs and I was wondering on how to implement that
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13:07:28 Guus jonas’ what you're suggesting would affect all users of the MUCs. Maybe aggregrate through archiving instead?
13:07:45 Zash Poll MAM? Hm
13:08:12 jonas’ Guus: sure, I didn't mean to *implement* it that way
13:08:26 jonas’ ~~it just crossed my mind while thinking about iz~~ ✎
13:08:31 jonas’ it just crossed my mind while thinking about it ✏
13:09:06 Guus like fippo, what you suggested made me think of XEP-0289
13:09:16 Guus should be feasible.
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13:34:25 dwd jonas’, Don't you end up with FMUC, sort of?
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13:36:08 dwd jonas’, But also, it's unclear to me you could hold an archive of someone else's room within GDPR. Looks very sketchy on that basis.
13:37:08 moparisthebest so just have someone in US or UK do it
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13:40:23 dwd moparisthebest, UK is covered by GDPR anyway, but besides, it's not quite the point.
13:40:45 Guus mopar might be referring to a news snippet that I've read this morning
13:41:03 dwd Guus, Google thing? Yeah. Unclear WTF is happening as usual.
13:41:22 Guus something about the <something> moving data from ireland to the US to no longer need to be compliant with privacy legislation post brexit.
13:41:26 dwd Guus, But for now, at least, DPA-2018 covers us for GDPR under the same regime as GDPR.
13:42:33 moparisthebest laws aside, I'm not sure how someone can post something in a public channel open to anyone and reasonably assume one of those members might not keep+share it
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13:43:12 jonas’ dwd: if the room is public I don't see a gdpr issue
13:43:25 jonas’ the data was "manifestly made public" IMO
13:44:04 jonas’ also, I'd probably only keep archives for sync purposes and otherwise only relay live data
13:44:05 moparisthebest that seems right, room owner is making it available for download for anyone on the internet to grab already
13:44:22 dwd jonas’, Would it still be subject to a SAR, etc? I think probably, and in addition, correction rights etc might exist.
13:44:39 jonas’ dwd: probably. hence only keep sync archives
13:45:22 jonas’ then there is a technical reason for non-deletion and correction can be done by the user through (ab-)use of LMC
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15:52:56 jonas’ do folks think it’d be useful to announce editor messages in this channel, too? (in addition to standards@)
15:58:09 lovetox jonas’, do you plan changes on the muclumbus http api?
15:58:15 jonas’ lovetox, no
15:58:32 lovetox great
15:58:45 lovetox and the xmpp api will migrate to the xep you just propsed i guess?
15:58:49 jonas’ yes
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16:01:20 jonas’ does anyone know if we (Editors) need Board and/or Council Approval for this? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/896/files
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16:04:04 Guus I don't know, but I'd be surprised. This is a change to tooling, not so much to published specifications.
16:04:34 jonas’ it’s changing how we suggest people write their XEPs tho
16:04:37 jonas’ xep-template.xml is a suggestion
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16:11:36 Guus sure - but it doesn't affect the actual process of acceptance of the XEP.
16:11:43 Guus for that, we still have Council.
16:12:31 Guus Do previous changes to that file make reference to approval of anyone?
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16:46:35 jonas’ nope
16:48:48 MattJ Go for it. If you want a clear conscience, just post to standards@ about the update
16:49:29 jonas’ going for it
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16:55:07 jonas’ done & done
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