XSF Discussion - 2020-02-21

Kev: use a dns challenge

Daniel and Guus's emails on '198 almost made me spit my tea over my keyboard.

But also, yeah, Pando is 100% mobile at the moment and uses 198 resumption because Hospital Wifi is even worse than Guus's parents'.

That sounds like a pretty unanimous "I should be using DNS challenges". I'll look into it when I have some cycles - which is certainly not this week. Today is "playing Gloomhaven all day before doing night two of the show" day.

Yes, you should be using DNS challenge

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Jeans

dwd, if Pando is interested in selling my Parents' wifi to their customers as an upgrade, let me know.

I wonder what would happen if I made a MUC roon service *send* a presence-join to another MUC room

from playing the scenario in my head, this might end up with a very bare bones bridge between the rooms

all messages from the respectively "remote" room will appear under the same nickname

dmuc or fmuc probably have lengthy xml examples for that

are they based on that pattern?

Yes

At least one of them

interesting

I'd like to have a read-only aggregate feed of all the XSF MUCs and I was wondering on how to implement that

jonas’ what you're suggesting would affect all users of the MUCs. Maybe aggregrate through archiving instead?

Poll MAM? Hm

Guus: sure, I didn't mean to *implement* it that way

it just crossed my mind while thinking about it ✏

like fippo, what you suggested made me think of XEP-0289

should be feasible.

jonas’, Don't you end up with FMUC, sort of?

jonas’, But also, it's unclear to me you could hold an archive of someone else's room within GDPR. Looks very sketchy on that basis.

so just have someone in US or UK do it

moparisthebest, UK is covered by GDPR anyway, but besides, it's not quite the point.

mopar might be referring to a news snippet that I've read this morning

Guus, Google thing? Yeah. Unclear WTF is happening as usual.

something about the <something> moving data from ireland to the US to no longer need to be compliant with privacy legislation post brexit.

Guus, But for now, at least, DPA-2018 covers us for GDPR under the same regime as GDPR.

laws aside, I'm not sure how someone can post something in a public channel open to anyone and reasonably assume one of those members might not keep+share it

dwd: if the room is public I don't see a gdpr issue

the data was "manifestly made public" IMO

also, I'd probably only keep archives for sync purposes and otherwise only relay live data

that seems right, room owner is making it available for download for anyone on the internet to grab already

jonas’, Would it still be subject to a SAR, etc? I think probably, and in addition, correction rights etc might exist.

dwd: probably. hence only keep sync archives

then there is a technical reason for non-deletion and correction can be done by the user through (ab-)use of LMC

do folks think it’d be useful to announce editor messages in this channel, too? (in addition to standards@)

jonas’, do you plan changes on the muclumbus http api?

lovetox, no

great

and the xmpp api will migrate to the xep you just propsed i guess?

yes

does anyone know if we (Editors) need Board and/or Council Approval for this? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/896/files

I don't know, but I'd be surprised. This is a change to tooling, not so much to published specifications.

it’s changing how we suggest people write their XEPs tho

xep-template.xml is a suggestion

sure - but it doesn't affect the actual process of acceptance of the XEP.

for that, we still have Council.

Do previous changes to that file make reference to approval of anyone?

nope

Go for it. If you want a clear conscience, just post to standards@ about the update

going for it

done & done