XSF Discussion - 2020-02-24

Zash, quite far

for the XMPP Newsletter submission, you can mention Movim 0.17 https://nl.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/87633da7-3963-4923-aabc-54ac5f6ad1d8 :)

edhelas, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Newsletter_March_2020

add it here

it is already

thanks :)

edhelas what's the rationale for the versioning scheme? I'd say Movim is quite mature. a 0.x release does not quite represent that.

I wonder how many potential users dismiss it simply because it's very low version number.

Hey now

https://0ver.org/

What do versions mean anyway..

Zash. Nice. The rest of the world does not agree.

pep. if they don't mean anything, you better use them as marketing tools and have _some_ value.

And then users start expecting things that I'm not planning to give

Guus yeah for now I'm keeping the 0.x thing, I'll maybe move to a 1.0 one day 🤷

Users don't even see the 0., people say "Prosody 11.3" all the time, to my great annoyance

"oh it's 1.0, it must be awesome and without ANY bugs and it's STABLE and it's going to be supported for YEARS" ✏

pep. yes, if you want to keep expectations low, I strongly advice to keep your version number below zero.

Guus, I don't care about numbers, they're just numbers

I respect semver :)

Zash you're being engaged by people that already use Prosody. I wonder how many users you're not engaging with, because of a perceived immaturity of the project, simply because of something as silly as a low version number.

I could also release a major version every commit I'd be semver compatible

Also, we probably don't live in the same world. 0.x are everywhere

in your dev bubble, maybe.

consumers world? not so much.

Consumer meaning.. companies afraid of change?

rather: companies with an insanely high marketing budget that they've used to know what works and what does not.

Ah well, if marketing knows what they do then we're saved :)

Do those even have version numbers anywhere where users see them anymore?

Remove the 0. Boom Movim 17 🤩

Zash, most likely codenames?

IOS, Android, Windows, MacOS

I do use codenames personnaly

edhelas - not the worst idea.

Chrome 80, Firefox 76?

Chrome auto-updates

Zash, wrong, 80.0.3987.106

making distinct version numbers of less importance.

(to the average user)

are you talking about https://0ver.org/

"ZeroVer is satire, please do not use it. We sincerely hope no project release schedules were harmed as a result of this humble attempt at programmer humor."