XSF Discussion - 2020-04-03


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  227. Maranda Hmmm anyone knows on top of their mind which clients do, even rudimentarily, support Bits of Binary out of their minds?
  228. Maranda Hmmm anyone knows on top of their mind which clients do, even rudimentarily, support Bits of Binary?
  229. Zash Probably Pidgin
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  232. jonas’ pidgin I think indeed
  233. Ge0rG IIRC Gajim had that as well
  234. pep. poezio?
  235. pep. movim probably
  236. pep. We really need DOAP..
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  238. Ge0rG DOAP is dead.
  239. pep. Long live DOAP
  240. jonas’ what is dead may never die
  241. Link Mauve We do, every client, server or library dev who reads this and hasn’t filled it yet, please send a PR against one of the three JSON files here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/tree/master/data
  242. pep. Link Mauve, I meant on xmpp.org..
  243. pep. That we actually start using it. Maybe somebody(tm) will manage to fix the thing someday
  244. Link Mauve pep., Pelican wasn’t happy with my use of python3 back then, is this fixed now?
  245. pep. Don't ask me
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  247. Zash Link Mauve: I managed to get something with py3 then told you about it
  248. pep. I don't know pelican
  249. Link Mauve Zash, oh, on xmpp.org?
  250. Link Mauve I completely forgot about that. :x
  251. Zash Link Mauve: Build of the xmpp.org website repo in local docker
  252. Link Mauve Without the python2 version like (IIRC) travis is doing?
  253. Zash Link Mauve: No clue about travis. I had this uncommitted in the website repo: http://paste.debian.net/1138215/
  254. Zash on your py3 branh
  255. pep. With a nice multistage build
  256. Link Mauve Nice.
  257. Zash Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr was the py3 thing something with the xeps?
  258. jonas’ (the xeps repo is python 3 only, I’m pretty sure of that)
  259. Zash And git wants to merge stuff, why :(
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  274. kevin Long time! Damn
  275. kevin I hope everyone is safe! :)
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  290. Maranda Huhu at google pulling out SOAP over XMPP when searching for DOAP
  291. Maranda 🤸‍♂️
  292. Zash Google knows you want it
  293. Zash DDG gives me relevant results
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  305. Maranda It's still a thing? 🙂
  306. Maranda I for some reason DDG was dead or st
  307. Maranda I for some reason thought DDG was dead or st
  308. jonas’ their XMPP service is dead
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  311. Maranda > their XMPP service is dead I guess that's why then
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  333. MattJ Does anyone see a problem with restricting MAM retention configuration to a period specified in days?
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  336. jonas’ not off the top of my head
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  344. Zash Fine by me
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  352. MattJ https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html#protocol-results - does anyone implement this??
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  354. jonas’ it was a pain, but aioxmpp supports it
  355. jonas’ and I’m pretty sure that any client implementing XEP-0055 does
  356. MattJ Fun
  357. jonas’ that’s one of the key reasons I rant against '4
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  359. MattJ What on earth does this mean? > For <iq/> stanzas, the root element qualified by the "wrapper" namespace in a form of type "form" or "submit" MUST be returned in a form of type "result".
  360. jonas’ -EPARSE
  361. Guus > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html#protocol-results - does anyone implement this?? Meaning 'reported' fields and items? Openfire does.
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  366. Guus > For <iq/> stanzas, the root element qualified by the "wrapper" namespace in a form of type "form" or "submit" MUST be returned in a form of type "result". I think that means that your IQ result must have a child element matching the one in the request?
  367. MattJ Ah, that would indeed make sense, I think
  368. MattJ Some of the semantic hand-waving in XEP-0004 makes life hard to e.g. provide a simple "here's the data" and "here's an update to the data" flow
  369. MattJ Similarly weird is how MAM queries use iq type=set
  370. jonas’ what
  371. MattJ iq type=get retrieves the form, iq type=set executes the query
  372. jonas’ aha
  373. jonas’ why?
  374. MattJ XEP-0004 specifies that, for a start (form submission must always be type=set)
  375. Zash What's wrong with that?
  376. jonas’ fun
  377. MattJ It was also argued by some that this is entirely sensible, since you are performing an action on the server
  378. jonas’ I ignore that in '433 :)
  379. jonas’ isn’t retrieving a form also performing an action?
  380. jonas’ or retrieving the list of MUCs?
  381. MattJ Yeah, I don't buy it either
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  383. MattJ So in a hypothetical form-based MAM preferences thing, if I obeyed XEP-0004 it basically needs two different "wrapper" elements, one for the current preferences and one for making changes
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  386. Zash <iq type=get> is supposed to be whatsitcalled, like HTTP GET
  387. Zash not changing state
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  390. MattJ and a MAM query is indeed not changing state
  391. MattJ It's fetching stuff
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  395. Zash Myeah, sure
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  400. jonas’ the reverse thing would then be that type=set may change state
  401. Zash Yes
  402. Zash But then everything's state. "Sending the results of the query you just submitted" is a state.
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  415. jonas’ don’t tell that to the REST folks
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  512. pippolo avete visto lollo?
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