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Neustradamus
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Problem in the ML, like I have said here previously, two times for the same part "XEP-0363"
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bantumi
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good morning to everyone
bantumi
10:08:50
i have a problem
bantumi
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anyone ca help me ? i can explain my issue ?
pep.
10:09:57
“Zash: not changing state” idempotent?
Zash
10:10:03
That's the word
bantumi
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can i explain my issue ?
Zash
10:11:02
What's it about?
pep.
10:11:04
bantumi: don't ask to ask. I'm afraid you might not be at the right place though
bantumi
10:11:45
sorry, i'm creating a xmpp chat with iOS and Android app
bantumi
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i implement everything
bantumi
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on server i have ejabber installed
bantumi
10:12:27
but i have last issue with remote push notification for offline message
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bantumi
10:13:00
since 2 weeks ago we use Openfire but we decide to switch to ejabber
bantumi
10:13:42
on openfire we use a plugin that redirect message to a serrver trought API and all works fine
bantumi
10:13:56
but now with ejabber i dont find any way to do the same things
pep.
10:14:41
what does that plugin do exactly? not sure I understand
Daniel
10:14:50
bantumi: ejabberd has support for xep-0357
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bantumi
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pep. this plugin is called "CallbackOnOffline" that send a json to another server with this format {
"token":"21uh9d1h91d",
"from":"user@mychatapp.com",
"to":"user123@mychatapp.com",
"body":"Message body, so what user's typed"
}
Daniel
10:16:26
It should behave roughly similar only that the communication between the push server and the xmpp server is xmpp and not http
bantumi
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and this other our server send the request to FCM that phisically send the push to device
pep.
10:17:03
bantumi: don't think that's standard is it
bantumi
10:17:27
Daniel i know but i dont understand how to send push notification to user
pep.
10:17:35
you can probably write your own ejabberd module that does about the same thing
Daniel
10:17:36
What you call 'our server' is called 'app server' in the lingo of 357
Daniel
10:18:07
So you have to rewrite 'your server' to be a 357 app server
Daniel
10:18:41
Or use some stock 'app server' like p2
bantumi
10:18:51
https://github.com/iNPUTmice/p2
bantumi
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this ?
Daniel
10:19:05
Yeah
bantumi
10:19:11
you are the creator !!!??? great!
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bantumi
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can you help me install this module on my server ?
bantumi
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i try today but i have some issue
bantumi
10:20:23
we have 3 server ....
bantumi
10:20:36
1- server xmpp with openfire that we want to leave ✎
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bantumi
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2- server for user details ✎
bantumi
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2- server for user details based on windows ✏
bantumi
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3- debain server where now we install ejabber
bantumi
10:21:23
1- server xmpp with openfire that we want to leave based on windows ✏
Daniel
10:21:42
If you look up my contact details on the internet and send me an email I can give you a cost estimate for commercial support for p2
Daniel
10:22:10
Otherwise reading and understanding the Readme and xep 357 should bring you a long way
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bantumi
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i send you an email
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email sent
bantumi
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confirm me that you receive it
Daniel
10:33:35
bantumi: Got the email. Will respond to it later today
bantumi
10:36:56
thanks a lot
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Zash
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Did we ever discuss having the server send caps for its own local componends to clients during session startup?
Daniel
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caps as in presence?
Zash
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Caps as in the thing that's most often sent in presence, yes
Zash
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It can also be found in <stream:features/> sometimes
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yes that would be useful, would spare a few disco info requests
lovetox
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on startup
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i think we discussed a need for it
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not that particular solution
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was this not in entitycaps 2
Zash
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Not from what I can see
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flow
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Zash, we did discuss
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eta
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what are the current standards in use for client nicknames?
eta
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(I'm implementing a transport; I tried sending <nick> in presence subscription requests but neither gajim nor conversations seemed to care)
Zash
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Oh boy
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Zash
18:51:50
There's that, usually in PEP. And vCards. And in MUC it's its own thing using the resource.
lovetox
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eta most clients support nicks via PEP
lovetox
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so UserNickname XEP
eta
18:52:12
lovetox, but not the <nick/> fallback in that XEP?
eta
18:52:29
I'd ideally like to avoid implementing the whole of PEP just for nicknames in my transport
lovetox
18:52:43
i think Gajim respects the nick in presence on the subscribe
lovetox
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so it shows nick wants to subscribe to you
lovetox
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but dont think afterwards
eta
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ah
lovetox
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let me look through the code
eta
18:54:19
could I get away with just sending PEP events as demonstrated in XEP-0172 on nickname changes and not implementing the whole of PEP/
eta
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?*
Daniel
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Yeah I think it's the same in Conversations. It supports nicks in subscribe presences.
Daniel
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And pep
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lovetox
18:57:49
hm how does you transport add the contact
lovetox
18:57:58
do you maybe send a roster item exchange ?
lovetox
18:58:31
because that has a nickname attribute and this would be pushed to the roster
eta
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lovetox, it sends regular presence subscribe
eta
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I must be doing something wrong then; neither Conversations nor gajim seem to like my nick in presence subscribe :<
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eta
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my stanza looks like: <presence from="REDACTED@ig.theta.eu.org" id="71de7ae4-2dc4-4e69-9c2d-536474106c49" to="eta@theta.eu.org" type="subscribe"><status>I'm someone from your WhatsApp contacts! (via whatsxmpp)</status><nick xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/nick">eta</nick></presence>
lovetox
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eta if you send a subscribe, a dialog in gajim pops up that says add this jid to roster
eta
19:00:21
lovetox, no it did that, just not with the nick
lovetox
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in gajim 1.1.3?
eta
19:00:51
lovetox, reasonably fresh git, but conversations also didn't get the nick
lovetox
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thats a bug then in Gajim
eta
19:01:08
does the stanza look okay to you?
lovetox
19:01:08
could be forgotten in the redesign of the dialog
lovetox
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yeah looks fine
eta
19:01:35
if transports are supposed to use roster push, I can use roster push I guess
eta
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but currently I haven't used any transport-specific APIs
lovetox
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just leave it like that i take a look into Gajim codebase
lovetox
19:02:23
but i think this way works
lovetox
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because if you propose the nick in the presence, we fill it on the user add to roster dialog
lovetox
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and if the user accepts it, then the nickname is permanently in the roster saved
lovetox
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to should be fine
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Ge0rG
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eta: you should just automatically add all transport contacts automatically, not let the user approve every one of them
Zash
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eta: Make sure you're testing this with the client connected if you're using Prosody < trunk
Zash
19:05:02
Relevant: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0144.html
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eta
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oh right, that looks like the thing I should be bothering with
Zash
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also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0321.html might be of interest
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eta
19:06:17
how widely implemented is XEP-0144 though?
eta
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I mean I know gajim does it
eta
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but dunno about, say, conversations
Zash
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I don't know
eta
19:07:22
hmmm
eta
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I think it's still worth keeping the old "spam user with presence subscription" code then, no?
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Zash
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Hm, during transport setup you know the full JID of the user doing the thing, so you can find out via disco#info if they understand '144
Zash
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And that's the point when there'll be a whole bunch of contacts to add at once
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Ge0rG
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0321 is how spectrum does it, right?
Zash
19:11:15
Yes
Zash
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If supported by the server (there's a prosody plugin).
Ge0rG
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It had a great UX. Maybe just add support into conversations?
lovetox
19:12:05
144 is only good though on register
lovetox
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afterwards if a legacy user adds you, then subscribe is probably better
lovetox
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i think C understands 144 aswell
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Zash
19:14:05
Has anyone other than Spectrum and Prosody (non-core module tho) implemented XEP-0321? @editors CFE mebbe?
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