XSF Discussion - 2020-04-04

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  83. Neustradamus Problem in the ML, like I have said here previously, two times for the same part "XEP-0363"
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  168. bantumi good morning to everyone
  169. bantumi i have a problem
  170. bantumi anyone ca help me ? i can explain my issue ?
  171. pep. “Zash: not changing state” idempotent?
  172. Zash That's the word
  173. bantumi can i explain my issue ?
  174. Zash What's it about?
  175. pep. bantumi: don't ask to ask. I'm afraid you might not be at the right place though
  176. bantumi sorry, i'm creating a xmpp chat with iOS and Android app
  177. bantumi i implement everything
  178. bantumi on server i have ejabber installed
  179. bantumi but i have last issue with remote push notification for offline message
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  181. bantumi since 2 weeks ago we use Openfire but we decide to switch to ejabber
  182. bantumi on openfire we use a plugin that redirect message to a serrver trought API and all works fine
  183. bantumi but now with ejabber i dont find any way to do the same things
  184. pep. what does that plugin do exactly? not sure I understand
  185. Daniel bantumi: ejabberd has support for xep-0357
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  187. bantumi pep. this plugin is called "CallbackOnOffline" that send a json to another server with this format { "token":"21uh9d1h91d", "from":"user@mychatapp.com", "to":"user123@mychatapp.com", "body":"Message body, so what user's typed" }
  188. Daniel It should behave roughly similar only that the communication between the push server and the xmpp server is xmpp and not http
  189. bantumi and this other our server send the request to FCM that phisically send the push to device
  190. pep. bantumi: don't think that's standard is it
  191. bantumi Daniel i know but i dont understand how to send push notification to user
  192. pep. you can probably write your own ejabberd module that does about the same thing
  193. Daniel What you call 'our server' is called 'app server' in the lingo of 357
  194. Daniel So you have to rewrite 'your server' to be a 357 app server
  195. Daniel Or use some stock 'app server' like p2
  196. bantumi https://github.com/iNPUTmice/p2
  197. bantumi this ?
  198. Daniel Yeah
  199. bantumi you are the creator !!!??? great!
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  203. bantumi can you help me install this module on my server ?
  204. bantumi i try today but i have some issue
  205. bantumi we have 3 server ....
  206. bantumi 1- server xmpp with openfire that we want to leave
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  208. bantumi 2- server for user details
  209. bantumi 2- server for user details based on windows
  210. bantumi 3- debain server where now we install ejabber
  211. bantumi 1- server xmpp with openfire that we want to leave based on windows
  212. Daniel If you look up my contact details on the internet and send me an email I can give you a cost estimate for commercial support for p2
  213. Daniel Otherwise reading and understanding the Readme and xep 357 should bring you a long way
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  215. bantumi i send you an email
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  223. bantumi email sent
  224. bantumi confirm me that you receive it
  225. Daniel bantumi: Got the email. Will respond to it later today
  226. bantumi thanks a lot
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  275. Zash Did we ever discuss having the server send caps for its own local componends to clients during session startup?
  276. Daniel caps as in presence?
  277. Zash Caps as in the thing that's most often sent in presence, yes
  278. Zash It can also be found in <stream:features/> sometimes
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  280. lovetox yes that would be useful, would spare a few disco info requests
  281. lovetox on startup
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  283. Daniel i think we discussed a need for it
  284. Daniel not that particular solution
  285. lovetox was this not in entitycaps 2
  286. Zash Not from what I can see
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  472. flow Zash, we did discuss
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  488. eta what are the current standards in use for client nicknames?
  489. eta (I'm implementing a transport; I tried sending <nick> in presence subscription requests but neither gajim nor conversations seemed to care)
  490. Zash Oh boy
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  492. Zash There's that, usually in PEP. And vCards. And in MUC it's its own thing using the resource.
  493. lovetox eta most clients support nicks via PEP
  494. lovetox so UserNickname XEP
  495. eta lovetox, but not the <nick/> fallback in that XEP?
  496. eta I'd ideally like to avoid implementing the whole of PEP just for nicknames in my transport
  497. lovetox i think Gajim respects the nick in presence on the subscribe
  498. lovetox so it shows nick wants to subscribe to you
  499. lovetox but dont think afterwards
  500. eta ah
  501. lovetox let me look through the code
  502. eta could I get away with just sending PEP events as demonstrated in XEP-0172 on nickname changes and not implementing the whole of PEP/
  503. eta ?*
  504. Daniel Yeah I think it's the same in Conversations. It supports nicks in subscribe presences.
  505. Daniel And pep
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  507. lovetox hm how does you transport add the contact
  508. lovetox do you maybe send a roster item exchange ?
  509. lovetox because that has a nickname attribute and this would be pushed to the roster
  510. eta lovetox, it sends regular presence subscribe
  511. eta I must be doing something wrong then; neither Conversations nor gajim seem to like my nick in presence subscribe :<
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  513. eta my stanza looks like: <presence from="REDACTED@ig.theta.eu.org" id="71de7ae4-2dc4-4e69-9c2d-536474106c49" to="eta@theta.eu.org" type="subscribe"><status>I'm someone from your WhatsApp contacts! (via whatsxmpp)</status><nick xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/nick">eta</nick></presence>
  514. lovetox eta if you send a subscribe, a dialog in gajim pops up that says add this jid to roster
  515. eta lovetox, no it did that, just not with the nick
  516. lovetox in gajim 1.1.3?
  517. eta lovetox, reasonably fresh git, but conversations also didn't get the nick
  518. lovetox thats a bug then in Gajim
  519. eta does the stanza look okay to you?
  520. lovetox could be forgotten in the redesign of the dialog
  521. lovetox yeah looks fine
  522. eta if transports are supposed to use roster push, I can use roster push I guess
  523. eta but currently I haven't used any transport-specific APIs
  524. lovetox just leave it like that i take a look into Gajim codebase
  525. lovetox but i think this way works
  526. lovetox because if you propose the nick in the presence, we fill it on the user add to roster dialog
  527. lovetox and if the user accepts it, then the nickname is permanently in the roster saved
  528. lovetox to should be fine
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  530. Ge0rG eta: you should just automatically add all transport contacts automatically, not let the user approve every one of them
  531. Zash eta: Make sure you're testing this with the client connected if you're using Prosody < trunk
  532. Zash Relevant: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0144.html
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  535. eta oh right, that looks like the thing I should be bothering with
  536. Zash also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0321.html might be of interest
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  538. eta how widely implemented is XEP-0144 though?
  539. eta I mean I know gajim does it
  540. eta but dunno about, say, conversations
  541. Zash I don't know
  542. eta hmmm
  543. eta I think it's still worth keeping the old "spam user with presence subscription" code then, no?
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  546. Zash Hm, during transport setup you know the full JID of the user doing the thing, so you can find out via disco#info if they understand '144
  547. Zash And that's the point when there'll be a whole bunch of contacts to add at once
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  550. Ge0rG 0321 is how spectrum does it, right?
  551. Zash Yes
  552. Zash If supported by the server (there's a prosody plugin).
  553. Ge0rG It had a great UX. Maybe just add support into conversations?
  554. lovetox 144 is only good though on register
  555. lovetox afterwards if a legacy user adds you, then subscribe is probably better
  556. lovetox i think C understands 144 aswell
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  558. Zash Has anyone other than Spectrum and Prosody (non-core module tho) implemented XEP-0321? @editors CFE mebbe?
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  566. Guus Zash: Openfire does not.
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  698. emus has joined
  699. Nekit has left