XSF Discussion - 2020-04-15


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  101. apollonexpectus

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  102. apollonexpectus

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  103. apollonexpectus

    ?

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  106. apollonexpectus

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  107. apollonexpectus

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  145. tom

    Are there any working implementations of Jingle?

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  151. Neustradamus

    rion: ^^

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  181. Daniel

    tom: yes. What specifically are you looking for?

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  190. tom

    Videocalls

  191. tom

    On linux

  192. tom

    Without a web browser

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  194. tom

    https://upload.nuegia.net/adde0e10-bf17-487b-be96-afb7fc6ec6dc/qsbti5vpk9841.jpg

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  198. Holger

    tom: https://desktop.jitsi.org

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  396. Mr.eslamo

    Hi, is anyone has a book for xmpp starters ?

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  399. Kev

    http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596521271.do is still the best option, I believe (author).

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  401. edhelas

    ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ "Must Read" The Daily XMPP - 2009

  402. Zash

    Kev, not time for a n++th edition yet? :)

  403. Kev

    Zash: There are definitely interesting new things to say, although it feels like we're on the cusp of there being pretty much a whole new story about how one works with XMPP, and doing anything before that would be premature (even if we and O'Reilly were motivated to do another edition - I hate writing ;)).

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  407. Mr.eslamo

    Thank you all, I hope if you have any advice in this technology i'm new here in this field and I hope to make good things with it

  408. Zash

    I remember http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780470540718.do being pretty good, but not sure how well it has aged, with how fast the web has moved

  409. edhelas

    Mr.eslamo maybe https://xmpp.org/about/ could help

  410. Zash

    MattJ: Modern XMPP - The Book? 😝️

  411. MattJ

    When "Modern XMPP" exists, I think that would be sensible

  412. edhelas

    if you want to understand the basics, I think the best is to open a XMPP console and start to play with it :)

  413. MattJ

    flow, you wrote on the list that you would review MAM (thanks for the diffs btw) - do you plan to give any feedback?

  414. MattJ

    otherwise I plan to request merging soon after addressing the existing feedback

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  420. Mr.eslamo

    Zash: Thank you, I will purchase this book and I'll start using it because I have ZERO knowledge about this technology πŸ™‚

  421. Daniel

    > if you want to understand the basics, I think the best is to open a XMPP console and start to play with it :) And read the rfc

  422. Daniel

    People always under estimate rfcs

  423. Kev

    Zash: I think the issue with that one is that stanza.io is mostly unmaintaned now, isn't it?

  424. Kev

    Now that Jack The Moffit doesn't XMPP anymore.

  425. Zash

    Wasn't it using Strophe.js?

  426. Zash

    That's still around afaik

  427. MattJ

    I think you mean strophe.js? And that's maintained

  428. Kev

    Sorry, yes, I'm getting names muddles.

  429. flow

    MattJ, I plan(ed) to. But I think you can take the silence as "mosly lack of disagreement" on the proposed changes

  430. Zash

    I could check if I just reached like an inch further up my bookshelf

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  432. MattJ reacts to flow's message with :thumbs_up:

  433. flow

    MattJ, I plan(ed) to. But I think you can take the silence as "mostly lack of disagreement" on the proposed changes

  434. Zash

    Yup, Strophe.js and jQuery.

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  442. Zash

    > Re: [Standards] OMEMO:2 Spec Sprint I read "OAuth2 Spec Sprint". :/

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  467. MattJ

    Not yet

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  484. MattJ

    Daniel, XEP-0333 in MUC: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/927

  485. MattJ

    and whoever was in the conversation about 333 status code in MUC: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/926

  486. MattJ

    (333 is purely a confusing coincidence)

  487. Zash

    It says status code 307?

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  490. MattJ

    307 is what has been removed (from the examples)

  491. Zash

    Nice ellipsis Github, thanks

  492. MattJ

    The examples were suggesting that a server would send 307 + 333 together

  493. MattJ

    But it only makes sense to send one or the other

  494. MattJ

    Unless you want legacy clients to make it look like people keep getting kicked from the room

  495. jonas’

    I wanted that :>

  496. MattJ

    I assumed it would be pep. ;)

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  500. pep.

    Saying things on me while I'm away!!

  501. pep.

    I'll have to look into poezio code again, not sure how I did that

  502. Daniel

    MattJ: when parsing a marker do I have to check both - if the ID matches stanza-id and normal. Or do I switch over depending on the availability of the stanza id namesapce on the room

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  516. flow

    depending in the stanza-id feature availability, i'd say

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  518. flow

    as you can only trust <stanza-id/> it a 'by' value of the MUC's bare JID, if that JID announces the stanza-id feature, and hence announces that the MUC will prevent stanza-id spoofing

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  532. Daniel

    Yes I agree

  533. Daniel

    The same goes for adding it imho

  534. Daniel

    Currently the text says if there is a stanza id

  535. Daniel

    I think that should be changed to read if the feature is announced

  536. Daniel

    Then you can follow the same rule for sending and receiving

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  540. MattJ

    Sounds sensible

  541. MattJ

    > Therefore, if a MUC announces support for &xep0359; and a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element is present within a markable stanza with a 'by' attribute matching the MUC's bare JID, this is the id that MUST be used when returning chat marker updates.

  542. MattJ

    ?

  543. MattJ

    Daniel, not sure if I understand your point about sending vs. receiving (do you mean sending == adding <markable>, receiving == responding with <received/>?)

  544. Daniel

    MattJ: no I mean the decision on whether or not to use the stanza id (over the message ID) is the same on all sides

  545. MattJ

    Hmm, right

  546. Daniel

    The one who sends out the displayed and the one who receives it

  547. MattJ

    Should usage within a MUC that doesn't advertise stanza-id be discouraged?

  548. Daniel

    Maybe

  549. Daniel

    I think reactions will do that

  550. MattJ

    Also what if a client adds <markable> to a message that the MUC doesn't archive?

  551. Daniel

    I'd be OK with it not working in those cases

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  554. MattJ

    <p>Therefore, if a MUC announces support for &xep0359; then clients MUST always use the MUC-assigned id for Chat Markers. The id will be contained in a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element inserted into the stanza with a 'by' attribute matching the MUC's own JID.</p>

  555. MattJ

    <p>As per XEP-0359 security considerations, clients MUST only trust a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID, and MUST ignore any such element in MUCs that do not announce XEP-0359 support.</p>

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  566. Daniel

    That sounds reasonable

  567. MattJ

    Updated the PR

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  584. flow

    Daniel> I think that should be changed to read if the feature is announced that would be redundant to what the stanza-id xep already says

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  588. MattJ

    Not really

  589. flow

    I am usually against XEPs repeating what other XEPs already say, but I see that there could be exceptions to that rule

  590. flow

    MattJ, how not really?

  591. MattJ

    Of the two paragraphs above, the first one applies to Markers only ("if the feature is present, the behaviour of your Markers implementation changes like this:")

  592. MattJ

    The second paragraph is duplicating what XEP-0359 says, but I chose to do that as it's calling out security stuff

  593. MattJ

    There is a high chance that someone implementing Markers would accidentally overlook that

  594. flow

    yep, hence I said that there could be exceptions to that rule

  595. flow

    but those really should be scarse

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  597. flow

    MattJ, "MUST only trust" does not sound right, you could trust other <stanza-id/>'s too

  598. MattJ

    Alternative suggestions welcome, I changed that several times

  599. flow

    that is nitpicking, but I think that paragraph could become a blueprint for other <stanza-id/> using XEPs

  600. flow

    and we usually write empty elements, so instead of <stanza-id> XEPs typically use <stanza-id/>

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  602. flow

    MattJ: As per XEP-0359 security considerations, clients MUST only trust a <stanza-id/> element with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID, if the MUC's own JID announces XEP-0359 support.

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  604. MattJ

    I had something like that, but didn't want it to sound like "If the MUC's JID announces support, you most only trust 'by' with the MUC's JID"

  605. MattJ

    i.e. if the MUC doesn't announce support, trust any

  606. flow

    hmm, maybe additionally specify that the stanza-id shouldn't be trusted if the support is not annouced?

  607. flow

    "If XEP-0359 support is not annoucned, then <stanza-id/> elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and be ignored

  608. flow

    "If XEP-0359 support is not annoucned, then <stanza-id/> elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and be ignored"

  609. flow

    something like that

  610. MattJ

    Yep, that sounds better

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  612. MattJ

    How's this?

  613. MattJ

    <p>As per XEP-0359 security considerations, if XEP-0359 support is not announced then &lt;stanza-id/&gt; elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and MUST be ignored.</p>

  614. MattJ

    s/matches/match/

  615. flow

    like it

  616. flow

    ahh, hmm, maybe specifiy where the xep359 support is announced?

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  618. flow

    just to make it bullet proof

  619. flow

    "is not annoucned on the MUC room's bare JID"

  620. flow

    i'd probably s/MUC's own JID/MUC room's JID/, but that could just be me

  621. MattJ

    Pushed

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  799. sss

    Hey all

  800. sss

    any one online here ?

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  964. tom

    Anything other than Jitsi that can do videocalls?

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  969. Zash

    There's a bunch actually. Telepathy based things, Pidgin(β€½), Gajim, a few others. Atalk I heard.

  970. Zash

    I had a phone running Linux 10 making voice/video calls over XMPP 10 years ago.

  971. Zash

    I had a phone running Linux making voice/video calls over XMPP 10 years ago.

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  986. Maranda

    Gajim not on Windows right?

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  1005. pep.

    Movim also

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  1007. pep.

    Gajim I don't think so no. Audio might work though

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