XSF Discussion - 2020-04-15


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  101. apollonexpectus govanify =zosch@jabber.ru?
  102. apollonexpectus Zash =zosch@jabber.ru
  103. apollonexpectus ?
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  145. tom Are there any working implementations of Jingle?
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  151. Neustradamus rion: ^^
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  181. Daniel tom: yes. What specifically are you looking for?
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  190. tom Videocalls
  191. tom On linux
  192. tom Without a web browser
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  194. tom https://upload.nuegia.net/adde0e10-bf17-487b-be96-afb7fc6ec6dc/qsbti5vpk9841.jpg
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  198. Holger tom: https://desktop.jitsi.org
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  396. Mr.eslamo Hi, is anyone has a book for xmpp starters ?
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  399. Kev http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596521271.do is still the best option, I believe (author).
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  401. edhelas ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ "Must Read" The Daily XMPP - 2009
  402. Zash Kev, not time for a n++th edition yet? :)
  403. Kev Zash: There are definitely interesting new things to say, although it feels like we're on the cusp of there being pretty much a whole new story about how one works with XMPP, and doing anything before that would be premature (even if we and O'Reilly were motivated to do another edition - I hate writing ;)).
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  407. Mr.eslamo Thank you all, I hope if you have any advice in this technology i'm new here in this field and I hope to make good things with it
  408. Zash I remember http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780470540718.do being pretty good, but not sure how well it has aged, with how fast the web has moved
  409. edhelas Mr.eslamo maybe https://xmpp.org/about/ could help
  410. Zash MattJ: Modern XMPP - The Book? 😝️
  411. MattJ When "Modern XMPP" exists, I think that would be sensible
  412. edhelas if you want to understand the basics, I think the best is to open a XMPP console and start to play with it :)
  413. MattJ flow, you wrote on the list that you would review MAM (thanks for the diffs btw) - do you plan to give any feedback?
  414. MattJ otherwise I plan to request merging soon after addressing the existing feedback
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  420. Mr.eslamo Zash: Thank you, I will purchase this book and I'll start using it because I have ZERO knowledge about this technology πŸ™‚
  421. Daniel > if you want to understand the basics, I think the best is to open a XMPP console and start to play with it :) And read the rfc
  422. Daniel People always under estimate rfcs
  423. Kev Zash: I think the issue with that one is that stanza.io is mostly unmaintaned now, isn't it?
  424. Kev Now that Jack The Moffit doesn't XMPP anymore.
  425. Zash Wasn't it using Strophe.js?
  426. Zash That's still around afaik
  427. MattJ I think you mean strophe.js? And that's maintained
  428. Kev Sorry, yes, I'm getting names muddles.
  429. flow MattJ, I plan(ed) to. But I think you can take the silence as "mosly lack of disagreement" on the proposed changes
  430. Zash I could check if I just reached like an inch further up my bookshelf
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  432. MattJ reacts to flow's message with :thumbs_up:
  433. flow MattJ, I plan(ed) to. But I think you can take the silence as "mostly lack of disagreement" on the proposed changes
  434. Zash Yup, Strophe.js and jQuery.
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  442. Zash > Re: [Standards] OMEMO:2 Spec Sprint I read "OAuth2 Spec Sprint". :/
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  467. MattJ Not yet
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  484. MattJ Daniel, XEP-0333 in MUC: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/927
  485. MattJ and whoever was in the conversation about 333 status code in MUC: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/926
  486. MattJ (333 is purely a confusing coincidence)
  487. Zash It says status code 307?
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  490. MattJ 307 is what has been removed (from the examples)
  491. Zash Nice ellipsis Github, thanks
  492. MattJ The examples were suggesting that a server would send 307 + 333 together
  493. MattJ But it only makes sense to send one or the other
  494. MattJ Unless you want legacy clients to make it look like people keep getting kicked from the room
  495. jonas’ I wanted that :>
  496. MattJ I assumed it would be pep. ;)
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  500. pep. Saying things on me while I'm away!!
  501. pep. I'll have to look into poezio code again, not sure how I did that
  502. Daniel MattJ: when parsing a marker do I have to check both - if the ID matches stanza-id and normal. Or do I switch over depending on the availability of the stanza id namesapce on the room
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  516. flow depending in the stanza-id feature availability, i'd say
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  518. flow as you can only trust <stanza-id/> it a 'by' value of the MUC's bare JID, if that JID announces the stanza-id feature, and hence announces that the MUC will prevent stanza-id spoofing
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  532. Daniel Yes I agree
  533. Daniel The same goes for adding it imho
  534. Daniel Currently the text says if there is a stanza id
  535. Daniel I think that should be changed to read if the feature is announced
  536. Daniel Then you can follow the same rule for sending and receiving
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  540. MattJ Sounds sensible
  541. MattJ > Therefore, if a MUC announces support for &xep0359; and a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element is present within a markable stanza with a 'by' attribute matching the MUC's bare JID, this is the id that MUST be used when returning chat marker updates.
  542. MattJ ?
  543. MattJ Daniel, not sure if I understand your point about sending vs. receiving (do you mean sending == adding <markable>, receiving == responding with <received/>?)
  544. Daniel MattJ: no I mean the decision on whether or not to use the stanza id (over the message ID) is the same on all sides
  545. MattJ Hmm, right
  546. Daniel The one who sends out the displayed and the one who receives it
  547. MattJ Should usage within a MUC that doesn't advertise stanza-id be discouraged?
  548. Daniel Maybe
  549. Daniel I think reactions will do that
  550. MattJ Also what if a client adds <markable> to a message that the MUC doesn't archive?
  551. Daniel I'd be OK with it not working in those cases
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  554. MattJ <p>Therefore, if a MUC announces support for &xep0359; then clients MUST always use the MUC-assigned id for Chat Markers. The id will be contained in a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element inserted into the stanza with a 'by' attribute matching the MUC's own JID.</p>
  555. MattJ <p>As per XEP-0359 security considerations, clients MUST only trust a &lt;stanza-id&gt; element with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID, and MUST ignore any such element in MUCs that do not announce XEP-0359 support.</p>
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  566. Daniel That sounds reasonable
  567. MattJ Updated the PR
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  584. flow Daniel> I think that should be changed to read if the feature is announced that would be redundant to what the stanza-id xep already says
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  588. MattJ Not really
  589. flow I am usually against XEPs repeating what other XEPs already say, but I see that there could be exceptions to that rule
  590. flow MattJ, how not really?
  591. MattJ Of the two paragraphs above, the first one applies to Markers only ("if the feature is present, the behaviour of your Markers implementation changes like this:")
  592. MattJ The second paragraph is duplicating what XEP-0359 says, but I chose to do that as it's calling out security stuff
  593. MattJ There is a high chance that someone implementing Markers would accidentally overlook that
  594. flow yep, hence I said that there could be exceptions to that rule
  595. flow but those really should be scarse
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  597. flow MattJ, "MUST only trust" does not sound right, you could trust other <stanza-id/>'s too
  598. MattJ Alternative suggestions welcome, I changed that several times
  599. flow that is nitpicking, but I think that paragraph could become a blueprint for other <stanza-id/> using XEPs
  600. flow and we usually write empty elements, so instead of <stanza-id> XEPs typically use <stanza-id/>
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  602. flow MattJ: As per XEP-0359 security considerations, clients MUST only trust a <stanza-id/> element with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID, if the MUC's own JID announces XEP-0359 support.
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  604. MattJ I had something like that, but didn't want it to sound like "If the MUC's JID announces support, you most only trust 'by' with the MUC's JID"
  605. MattJ i.e. if the MUC doesn't announce support, trust any
  606. flow hmm, maybe additionally specify that the stanza-id shouldn't be trusted if the support is not annouced?
  607. flow "If XEP-0359 support is not annoucned, then <stanza-id/> elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and be ignored
  608. flow "If XEP-0359 support is not annoucned, then <stanza-id/> elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and be ignored"
  609. flow something like that
  610. MattJ Yep, that sounds better
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  612. MattJ How's this?
  613. MattJ <p>As per XEP-0359 security considerations, if XEP-0359 support is not announced then &lt;stanza-id/&gt; elements with a 'by' attribute that matches the MUC's own JID should be considered spoofed and MUST be ignored.</p>
  614. MattJ s/matches/match/
  615. flow like it
  616. flow ahh, hmm, maybe specifiy where the xep359 support is announced?
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  618. flow just to make it bullet proof
  619. flow "is not annoucned on the MUC room's bare JID"
  620. flow i'd probably s/MUC's own JID/MUC room's JID/, but that could just be me
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  799. sss Hey all
  800. sss any one online here ?
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  964. tom Anything other than Jitsi that can do videocalls?
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  969. Zash There's a bunch actually. Telepathy based things, Pidgin(β€½), Gajim, a few others. Atalk I heard.
  970. Zash I had a phone running Linux 10 making voice/video calls over XMPP 10 years ago.
  971. Zash I had a phone running Linux making voice/video calls over XMPP 10 years ago.
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  1005. pep. Movim also
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  1007. pep. Gajim I don't think so no. Audio might work though
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