XSF Discussion - 2020-04-16

  1. tom

    Gajim does work, and it's UI is atrocious. Not sure if it' still an issue with Pidgin but I always seem to run into issues when people use Pidgin on XMPP

  2. tom

    *Gajim doesn't work

  3. tom

    AV calls used to work back in Gajim 0.16.9

  4. tom

    Not anymore

  5. tom

    Has pidgin been fixed?

  6. hi

    alexis hi

  7. hi


  8. Neustradamus

    For information: https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/18

  9. pep.

    I might not be available for the meeting today.

  10. ralphm

    pep., live happens. No worries!

  11. ralphm

    life, too :/

  12. ralphm bangs gavel

  13. ralphm

    0. Welcome

  14. ralphm

    Hi! Who do we have?

  15. MattJ


  16. emus

    Hello o/

  17. emus

    But actually Im in a meeting now

  18. Guus


  19. Guus

    Shame on our glorious leader for being ambiguous πŸ™‚

  20. ralphm


  21. ralphm


  22. Seve

    Hello! I'm here, thanks for the mention, ralphm !

  23. ralphm

    1. Minute taker

  24. Guus


  25. Guus

    None from the floor?

  26. Guus

    If not, I'll compile them post meeting.

  27. ralphm


  28. ralphm

    2. Commitments

  29. ralphm

    I've sent out a bunch of e-mails around sponsoring.

  30. ralphm

    Naturally I forgot to change the subject for the one to the community :/

  31. Guus

    Noted, tx

  32. MattJ

    ralphm, I saw that, thanks for working on it!

  33. Seve


  34. ralphm

    I also reached out to my contact for marketing today, too. Will report back when I get a reply.

  35. MattJ

    Not sure if you got my PM the other day, but I know someone who may be a good fit also

  36. Seve

    Great, nice to hear that

  37. Guus prods ralphm

  38. ralphm

    MattJ, thanks, I neglected to follow-up with you, sorry.

  39. MattJ

    No worries

  40. ralphm

    Let's pick that up for next week.

  41. MattJ

    Sounds good

  42. ralphm

    3. Topics for decisions

  43. ralphm


  44. ralphm

    4. Discussion

  45. ralphm

    I don't think there's something specific we need to discuss today, but any suggestions welcome.

  46. Guus

    can we put the older ones to bed?

  47. Guus

    like adopt a character

  48. flow

    ohhh :(

  49. Guus

    what do we need to decide on that?

  50. Guus

    Not saying yay or nay, just want to decide.

  51. flow

    I think it's a pitty, but if there is no consensus on that

  52. Seve

    Which character to pick, was what we needed to decide, wasn't it

  53. Guus

    keeping it on the agenda forever doesn't make sense.

  54. Guus

    so that implies that we are in favor of doing this?

  55. Guus

    let's make this concrete?

  56. Seve

    That is what I recall, but correct me if I'm wronf

  57. Seve

    That is what I recall, but correct me if I'm wrong

  58. Guus

    I'd like to either vote, or have a concrete action that will lead to some form of progress.

  59. flow

    If this is really just about the which character, and not if we want to do this, then I suggest we ask people to submit suggestions and then hold a member opinion vote about which character to choose. (hint: I would volunteer to organize that)

  60. flow

    But I don't want to put in time for this if no character is adopted in the end

  61. ralphm

    I think we even decided on the character, but I need to look up which (not the one in the trello comment)

  62. MattJ

    The last minutes I see say this: "Ralph notes that there is probably enough support to ask the community on what character they would like."

  63. MattJ


  64. ralphm

    ok, so many I was wrong :-D

  65. MattJ

    In which case if flow wants to take this to the community for us, that would be great :)

  66. Guus

    I motion that we have Florian organize a community-driven character-for-adoption vote.

  67. MattJ


  68. Seve

    Sounds super flow !

  69. flow

    Guus, i'd like to stress that I envison only a member opinion vote, to which the board is not bound to follow

  70. Guus

    flow wfm

  71. ralphm


  72. ralphm

    Regarding iteam budget, I believe MattJ would back on this?

  73. Guus

    'sounds super' and 'yay' count as votes?

  74. ralphm


  75. MattJ

    No concrete plan yet for iteam, partly this depends on whether we'll ever hear back about eos (the down server)

  76. Seve


  77. ralphm

    Guus: what about your wfm?

  78. ralphm

    (you need to vote on motions you put forward yourself, too)

  79. Guus

    I put in the motion - isn't that an implied +1?

  80. ralphm


  81. Guus

    ah, sorry.

  82. Guus

    well, +1.

  83. Guus


  84. ralphm


  85. ralphm

    MattJ thanks

  86. ralphm

    5. AOB

  87. Guus

    while we have flow here: gsoc status?

  88. Guus

    so, mentions of unicode make him appear, but mentions of his nickname do not? πŸ™‚

  89. Guus

    I'm happy to move on.

  90. Guus

    no other aobs for me.

  91. ralphm

    6. Date of Next

  92. ralphm


  93. ralphm

    7. Close

  94. ralphm bangs gavel

  95. ralphm

    Thanks all!

  96. Seve

    None from me then :)

  97. ralphm


  98. Seve

    Thank you very much!

  99. ralphm

    Too slow, Seve

  100. MattJ


  101. Guus

    thanks πŸ˜‰

  102. Seve


  103. MattJ

    Guus, does Openfire support direct TLS for s2s?

  104. Guus

    MattJ Yes, but I think it's broken.

  105. MattJ

    Ok :)

  106. Guus

    It's rather new - older servers won't have support

  107. MattJ

    Considering using it for a deployment, currently only needs to federate with Prosody and Openfire (Prosody doesn't support it yet, I wondered if Openfire did)

  108. Guus

    You're considering Openfire for a deployment?!

  109. Guus

    Given your background, that kind of surprises me πŸ™‚

  110. Guus

    We'll probably going to rewrite large parts of Openfire's s2s code later this year

  111. Guus

    That's badly needed - we're securing funding to do so.

  112. MattJ

    No, sorry, I should have been clearer - I'm considering using Direct TLS for a deployment

  113. MattJ

    That deployment runs Prosody, but needs to federate with Prosody and Openfire

  114. Guus

    ah. πŸ™‚

  115. MattJ

    Normal s2s wouldn't work

  116. MattJ

    If you're rewriting s2s, join us in deprecating dialback :)

  117. MattJ

    (I imagine that will go down well with many of your customers)

  118. Maranda

    Hmmm it's around from over 2 years... Is that new?

  119. pep.

    Rather not necessary

  120. pep.

    not *extremely necessary

  121. Maranda

    I meant Direct TLS

  122. pep.


  123. Maranda

    I think I implemented Direct TLS in s2s around 2018 or so

  124. MattJ

    pep.: it makes life a lot easier in some cases when you need to offload TLS

  125. flow

    Guus, I am sorry, got distracted by another telco. gsoc summary is that we have one excellent proposal and a good one, so we requested a maximum of two slots and a minimum of one. gsoc participation is a bit lower than the previous years, but the involved projects are motivated to mentor the respective students (if we get the slots)

  126. Guus

    flow Thanks! Let's hope we get both slots!

  127. pep.

    MattJ, my point. You're only talking about implementing now, when it's been available for "that long", so it's only a nice to have

  128. Link Mauve

    Ping about https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/697

  129. Link Mauve

    I think it’s good to go.

  130. Link Mauve

    ralphm, fyi https://idavoll.ik.nu/ is still 503, you may want to fix that.