jonas’you need to grep for `<reported>`, not `<reported/>`.
jonas’It is never going to be empty
flowjonas’, IIRC is used 'lt;reported'
jonas’yeah, well
jonas’of course with escaping ;)
jonas’ohh, yeah, the code examples would not be escaped because of <[![CDATA sections
flowrg -l 'lt;reported' |sort
jonas’so you actually have to grep for literal <reported
flowrg -l '(lt;|<)reported' |sort
flowuhh a multi-user_gaming protoxep in the inbox appears
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MarandaOhhhhh which one is it 🐈🐈🐈
Marandacurious
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marc0ad uses XMPP AFAIK
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Link MauveYup, it does, for its lobby.
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pep.is there a place / would it make sense to advertise a status URI somewhere via XMPP? something something 0157? that a client could cache maybe? even it that will obviously be advertised oob as well✎
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pep.is there a place / would it make sense to advertise a status URI somewhere via XMPP? something something 0157? that a client could cache maybe? even if that will obviously be advertised oob as well ✏
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Link Mauvepep., you mean so that someone who can’t connect to jabber.fr atm can get their client to say “Hey, have a look at https://status.jabberfr.org maybe something is going on!”?
MattJI think there would be some value in having it separate if you can also add a 'type', e.g. if the client could automatically fetch and display items from an Atom feed (or I'm guessing there are standards for exactly this purpose)
Zash`_status.jabberfr.org IN URI "https://statut.jabberfr.org/"`
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MattJThat would be nice indeed!
ZashThere, you don't even need the server up, just DNS. Problem solved.
pep.right, probably better via DNS
pep.if DNS is dead you probably can't access the server already anyway, the opposite is not necessarily true
MattJI really like the potential for clients to automatically show this to the user when a working account suddenly has connection problems
pep.yep
Zashand if DNS is dead you probably can't access https://statut.jabberfr.org/ either
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jonas’Zash, _status._5222._tcp.jabberfr.org
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jonas’is a URI record a thing?
jonas’apparently yes
Zashgoes to look up the actual syntax in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7553
ZashAh, priority and weight.
Link MauveFor our usecase, DNS would be inconvenient because we don’t control the domain of all of our users.
jonas’your users do, though
jonas’they could CNAME to your _status recrod
Link MauveWe could do it for our own domains, but this would be something the hosted users would have to figure out by themselves.
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ZashHm, you could add SRV records pointing at something that just responds with a `<stream:error><system-shutdown/><text>Service down because reasons.<////>`
jonas’that’d be fun
ZashHm
ZashAnd `<see-other-host/>` if it's back up?
pep.next up: deploy a centralised service doing so and getting everyone's data!!✎
jonas’pep., you laugh...
jonas’I have something in the pipeline
pep.next up: deploy a centralised service doing so and get everyone's data!! ✏
pep.:(
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pep.So this is not really an XMPP thing right
jonas’yeah
jonas’I asked in #powerdns if they know something about a thing which exists in dNS
jonas’but apparently there is not
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pep.hmm, I'm curious how many dns providers allow using this type..
pep.It's already great when they think about SRV and they don't butcher the necessary fields
ZashI saw something (also in #powerdns) about AT&T still not supporting SRV
MattJXEP-0045 is a long document. If <{muc#user}x><item/></x> is missing an 'affiliation' attribute, does it default to 'none'?
MattJThe schema says 'affiliation' is optional
MattJI think it may be illegal
flowand the schema being wrong?
MattJPossibly. Not confident enough to say yes :)
flowIt does not sound unrealistic that the affiliation is 'none' if not explicitly otherwise announced
ZashAlternatively, maybe the service doesn't want you to know the affiliation?
flowis affiliation hiding a thing in xep45?
MattJI agree. There is text that says you MUST send a presence «containing an <item/> child with the 'role' attribute set to a value of "moderator", "participant", or "visitor", and with the 'affiliation' attribute set to a value of "owner", "admin", "member", or "none" as appropriate.»
Zashflow, not sure, probably not.
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pep.!
pep.MattJ, ralphm, Seve
SeveHelloo
pep.Let's wait some more
pep.hmm.
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Seve:)
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SeveGuus sent apologies, though
Seve(I see you didn't mention him)
pep.He did, we could still be 4 though
pep.Yeah I didn't because of his mail
pep.Ok well.. let's cancel today..
SeveIndeed
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Ge0rGcan't we just cancel the whole year?
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MattJHey, sorry, here now
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pep.MattJ, !
pep.Not like there are many things to discuss about, but..
MattJI'm ok with cancelling though, unless we have something that needs discussing
pep.I'm personally kinda blocking on ralph and his marketing lead, even though I'm also looking on my end, but I did get strong hints that people preferred not bothering with money if it's not necessary, so I don't really want to waste other people's times promising things that are not coming
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GuusApologies for the last-minute cancellation. Crazy times at work.✎
GuusApologies for the last-minute cancellation. Crazy times ~at work~. ✏
GuusI take that as a win. How are things, Sam? It's been a while.
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SamWhitedGuus: same as ever; trying to find a job that will let me be involved in non-profits and standards orgs and what not again. How are things on your side of the pond?
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Guusas stated: crazy.
SamWhited*nods* I know that feeling.
GuusThere's only so much homeschooling that noise cancellation headphones can cancel 😉
SamWhitedOh yah, I can imagine.
GuusWe're doing well - healthy too. Takes a bit of a toll, but we're probably least worst off, as compared to most.
SamWhitedSame here; as much as I complain about my job and working from home, I still have one and have a home to work from so I can't complain too much.
Guuscount your blessings, right?
SamWhitedIndeed
Guusgood to hear you're doing ok
SamWhitedyah you too, stay healthy!
Guuslikewise.
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amuzaHello
amuzaI have some basic questions about XMPP
ZashShoot
amuzaI don't know if this is the right forum...
amuza1. Can a user create a multi user chat?
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amuzaOr is it something that needs to be created by the server administrator?
ZashUsually this can be configured in the server.
amuzaDo you mean chat rooms are configured in the server or do you mean you can configure the server so that users can create chat rooms?
ZashI mean the admin can configure in their server whether to restrict room creation to admins or local users or allow anyone on any server.
Ge0rGThere are many public servers that allow everyone to create rooms
amuzaGood, thanks, now I understand.
amuzaDidn't know.
amuzaSo, if I have an account on one of those servers, will I easily find on my client (Gajim, Conversations, whatever) how to create a room?
mathieuiYou don’t need to have an account on the server that hosts the chatrooms, and you only have to join a room in most clients to have it created
mathieuisome clients separate both actions, which is a good thing imo (while it is the same protocol-wise)
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Ge0rGIf you want to create a private room for you and your friends only, conversations is probably the best tool right now
amuzaCool
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amuzaSo, if a user wants to create a private room for she and her friends, she needs to have her account in one of those MUC-enabled servers, doesn't she?
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amuzaForget my last question, I'm rereading your answers, and got it clear now : o
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amuzaIs OMEMO a client software that works regardless of the XMPP server? (kind of GPG and email servers)
amuzaOr does the server requires something so that OMEMO works properly?
ZashThe server needs to support "PEP"
moparisthebestand not explicitly block omemo like some ejabberd versions
amuzaCool. I'm seeing it now in an XMPP server list, this PEP thing is listed there.
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amuzaOoh, it is blocked by a server software, why?
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amuzaI understand OMEMO makes thing easier than OTR when you have several devices, but does OMEMO support multi-user chat?
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pep.easier I don't know, but it makes them possible. Or it did, at the time
pep.And yes OMEMO supports multi-user chat
amuzaThank you!
moparisthebestif I recall correctly the reasoning was something like "omemo causes support headaches for server operators so our config will block it by default"
moparisthebesthopefully there aren't anymore of those left in the wild, it was pretty stupid
pep.moparisthebest, we all have different stories, maybe that was justified for them :)
amuzaAnyway, it is weird if the rest of the servers can handle it...
moparisthebest*in my opinion :)
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pep.hasn't that been changed ages ago already though?
moparisthebestyes
pep.ok
amuzaThis was definitely the right forum, very accurate answers by lots of people.
amuzaI am chatting through a webpage
amuzaCan I join the chat from my XMPP client?
amuzaWhat's the address?
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pep.xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join
pep.Your browser might not understand this though.. the room address is just xsf@muc.xmpp.org
amuzaYeap, thanks! That's simpler now.
amuzaThank you all very much!
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NeustradamusA good news: https://twitter.com/neustradamus/status/1253425669687488512
pep.wat
pep.Is sourceforge even still alive
eevvooryes :D
moparisthebestha that's an awesome delay
ZashChanged owners a bunch of times
moparisthebestthey were just going through their tweets from 2 years ago or?
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NeustradamusI have done several reminders (same owner) and recently on the website.
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moparisthebestnice work Neustradamus !
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NeustradamusThanks moparisthebest :)
eevvoorNeustradamus, what does your tweet mean, that
> We can say that #SourceForge now knows @xmpp/#XMPP
eevvoorpep. my favourit ekodi distro, xbian, is also on sourceforge. That was when I lealized that sourceforge ist still around.✎
NeustradamusI have requested an important change: https://sourceforge.net/directory/communications/chat/jabber
eevvoorpep. my favourite kodi distro, xbian, is also on sourceforge. That was when I lealized that sourceforge ist still around. ✏
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eevvoorNeustradamus, oh this is really cool
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Ge0rGSourceforge has completely lost their credibility at the moment when they started injecting malware into project downloads
pep.Microsoft doing it in 1, 2..
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Marandapep. ...?
pep.GitHub
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Marandapep., the most Microsoft could do is closing it down
pep.I doubt that is all they can do
Marandainjecting trojans is not their usual pattern ;P
ZashMore likely that they'll integrate it reall well with Visual Studio and Azure.
MarandaZash, yes or if they find it useless either absorb it into something else and then do what they did to codeplex
MarandaThat's Microsoft pattern.
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Ge0rGZash: with office!
Wojtek@Maranda that seems more like Google pattern...
NeustradamusGe0rG: it was a previous owner...
MarandaWojtek, google learned their agenda from someone :P
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Marandawho was there before them, but then MS improved on behaviour, while Google is just getting worser and worser.
Wojtek...and then surpassed the masster, buy also launching gazzilion of new services just to close them shortly after :D
Wojtekwell, MS lost a bit of market share, Google gain a bit so the roles reversed I guess
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MarandaMicrosoft is quickly regaining on what they lost tbh in the latest years.
Ge0rGMaranda [23:23]:
> pep., the most Microsoft could do is closing it down
That's the most Google thing. Microsoft would integrate AD, Office and finally replace git with the visual studio sync protocol
ZashTeam Foundation Hub?
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MarandaGe0rG, if they deem it profitable, if they don't they just go for the retire and close and boom.
ZashSeems unlikely.
MarandaZash, I could make a list of things where they just did it that way, but I don't think I need to.
MarandaFor now the only thing that annoys me of M$ is the last version of WAC because since the dashboard scripts will check for Win32_BaseBoard.product it'll break mercilessly on all systems with older SMBIOS 🤦♂️
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pep.Lucky you. If only there was one annoying thing MS did :)
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Marandapep.: well windows is lately, susprisingly, less and less annoying tasks wise. I statistically cuss more when I have to deal with *nix
MarandaSo as long as this trend is mantained 🐈👨💻🤷🏼♂️
Ge0rGWindows 10 can't be operated in accordance with the GDPR
ZashEnterprise Edition?
MarandaGe0rG: your(?) opinion, beside that almost nothing can be in operated in "accordance" with the GDPR 😂😂😂
MarandaXMPP on head
pep.Wasn't it visual studio adding telemetry to every single binary it compiles by default?
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pep.Thinking that a company needs GDPR to not do this is just mind blowing✎
pep.Thinking that a company needs GDPR not to do this is just mind blowing ✏
pep.and still they've only made it "easier" to opt-out
moparisthebestImagine using Windows in 2020
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Maranda(and telemetry can be easily disabled, we do it on all devices we deal out fwiw)
pep.It's fine for the small number of devices you deal out maybe
pep.What about all the rest
MarandaI'm not "Mother Theresa"
pep.Note that to me now we could be talking about Google, Apple, Amazon, and a lot more, it would be just the same
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pep.Maranda, don't defend them then
MarandaI don't have nothing to defend nor care to, even because a lot of unixlike implementations have far worse privacy concerns. Your own country wanted to put backdoors in routers' fw pep. 😂
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pep.That's on the vendor though
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pep.And don't worry I'm not defending "my country" either :)
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MarandaStuff like Immuni has maybe a reason to pick my privacy / civil concerns, the fact here the gov has violated 7 articles of our republic costitution acts without a law from the parliament to jail me in a 38 squared meters apart., suspend my costitutional rights, and basically putting a country on its knees without a concrete motivation pep. .. The rest is bs I'm not really interested into tbh.
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pep.What's Immuni?
MarandaSome covid tracing app the Italian Gov. "would like to implement" 😂
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pep.What's the relation between what we said above
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pep.Do you think I'm going to defend a tracking app with what I said above? :p
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MarandaThat something like that may pick my privacy concerns not for sure Telemetry in Windows 10