XSF Discussion - 2020-04-26

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14:10:08 MattJ The Github folk have detached xsf/memberbot from Link Mauve's repo
14:10:36 jonas’ \o/
14:11:29 Link Mauve Great, now I can delete my repo!
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19:26:45 marc Can somebody recommend a XMPP library for low level testing?
19:27:03 marc preferably Python
19:27:10 marc aioxmpp seems quite high-level
19:27:21 jonas’ marc, what kind of low-level testing?
19:27:41 marc jonas’, sending packets (not IQ) before authentication
19:28:48 lovetox you mean a xmpp lib you can hack to do that
19:28:59 lovetox or one that provides a API for send_packet_before_auth()
19:29:08 pep. or something with send_raw()
19:29:24 marc lovetox, yeah, something like send_raw()
19:29:32 marc especially I don't want to authenticate
19:29:34 pep. There's probably an escape hatch like that on every library around, I'd hope
19:29:41 lovetox you would still need a lib that lets you use this at that special moment
19:29:46 jonas’ marc, maybe look into how IBR is implemented in aioxmpp
19:29:50 pep. Even if it encourages you not to use it
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19:30:21 jonas’ https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/ibr/service.py#L65 https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/examples/register.py#L34-L40
19:32:17 lovetox oh thats a good idea
19:32:27 jonas’ aioxmpp.IQ isn’t special in that way, you can send any XSO really at that point
19:33:16 MattJ lovetox: I've sent you a few messages over the past week, did you receive them?
19:33:49 jonas’ lovetox, while I’ve got you here, is there a way to turn off autojoining MUCs for (only) one account in gajim?
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19:34:41 lovetox not as setting no, you would have to add a line to the code
19:35:04 jonas’ :/
19:35:15 jonas’ I like how my pidgin doesn’t understand bookmarks ;D
19:36:22 lovetox MattJ, yes received it i answerd you
19:36:38 lovetox MattJ, yes received it i answerd you, just now
19:36:56 MattJ Ah, thanks!
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19:39:59 lovetox jonas’, why you need that?
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19:43:07 jonas’ lovetox, I am used to poezio for MUCs, but I’d like to use something else for 1:1
19:43:30 pep. jonas’, anything in particular that we could use as feedback for poezio?
19:43:34 jonas’ so I want gajim to *not* join all my MUCs; but only on that account, because my other accounts are (obviously) not in poezio, and I want to be able in those MUCs
19:43:45 jonas’ pep., no, that’s not going to be solvable
19:44:02 jonas’ it’s just me trying to keep the number of windows in poezio sane
19:44:04 lovetox pep., dont steal my users
19:44:12 pep. lovetox, you're stealing mine
19:44:18 lovetox you had your chance
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19:44:36 pep. I'll get my revenge
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19:44:59 jonas’ you’d co-exist, just like poezio and pidgin co-exist on my desktop now, so don’t fight please
19:45:00 jonas’ :)
19:45:22 pep. :)
19:45:34 pep. lovetox, I'll let you off for now
19:45:39 lovetox :D
19:47:05 lovetox jonas’, i can only offer you to point you to the line in the code where you could add the line that it skips one special account
19:47:47 jonas’ lovetox, I’m afraid dpkg won’t be happy about that in the long term
19:48:43 lovetox marc, what do you understand under send_raw()
19:49:07 lovetox you want to send bytes?
19:49:08 pep. lovetox, iirc his XEP uses some before-bind-iq-like stuff
19:49:16 marc lovetox, no, xml elements
19:49:22 pep. like iq but not in jabber:foo
19:49:32 lovetox yeah you can do that with nbxmpp, thanks to the hint form jonas’
19:49:39 lovetox if you use nbxmpp in the REGISTER mode
19:49:50 lovetox it will connect to the server and give you control before auth
19:49:53 marc jonas’, mentioned aioxmpp, no?
19:49:57 lovetox as there is no auth in register mode
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19:50:19 lovetox yeah im sure you can do the same with aioxmpp
19:50:29 lovetox just wanted to tell you, that you also can do with nbxmpp
19:51:21 lovetox but maybe try first with aioxmpp, its probably way better documented
19:51:28 marc there are too many xmpp libraries for python :)
19:54:00 marc jonas’, is there a way to send basic xml elements? something like Element(name = '', attrs = ...)
19:54:09 marc I don't get the idea behind XSO :)
19:54:20 jonas’ marc, XSO is just a way to write down a skeleton for XML elements
19:55:28 jonas’ https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/ping/xso.py#L31-L38 that’s an example which simply defines the XML element <ping xmlns="urn:xmpp:ping"/>; it doesn’t have text or children
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19:56:15 jonas’ if you’ve ever used something like Storm or SQLAlchemy, the ideas behind XSO are very similar
19:57:25 marc Okay, got it, thanks!
19:57:43 jonas’ marc, aioxmpp/version/xso.py would be the next-more-complex example of an XSO
19:58:18 marc jonas’, there is no simpler way to generate xml elements, no?
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19:59:22 jonas’ marc, it’s the simplest way ever
19:59:25 jonas’ ;-)
19:59:38 jonas’ no, you need to go through XSO. the only other way is to write SAX events yourself.
19:59:48 jonas’ XSOs are directly converted to SAX events, there is no DOM constructed at any point
20:00:27 jonas’ (though if you’re into writing SAX events, you can do that, I suppose; you just need to go into the guts of the XMLStream itself)
20:00:53 lovetox but actually jonas’ i have that ignore autojoin flag on my todo list
20:00:56 pep. > where ``namespace_uri`` may be :data:`None`. Interesting that you're not enforcing namespaces in TAGs
20:01:51 jonas’ pep., it’ll fail during serialisation in most cases of an xml stream
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20:02:27 jonas’ as soon as the default namespace has been declared, you can’t serialise elements without namespace URI anymore. which is right at the stream header in XMPP XML streams.
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20:32:44 marc jonas’, can I access xso attrs by simply using the XSO class member variables?
20:33:01 marc I want to sent the attr but when I send the packet it hangs
20:33:06 marc it works without attrs
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20:34:02 marc ah, and can I enable a traffic console that shows me the xml traffic sent / received?
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20:44:56 marc jonas’, ah, already found it!
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