XSF Discussion - 2020-04-26

The Github folk have detached xsf/memberbot from Link Mauve's repo

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Great, now I can delete my repo!

Can somebody recommend a XMPP library for low level testing?

preferably Python

aioxmpp seems quite high-level

marc, what kind of low-level testing?

jonas’, sending packets (not IQ) before authentication

you mean a xmpp lib you can hack to do that

or one that provides a API for send_packet_before_auth()

or something with send_raw()

lovetox, yeah, something like send_raw()

especially I don't want to authenticate

There's probably an escape hatch like that on every library around, I'd hope

you would still need a lib that lets you use this at that special moment

marc, maybe look into how IBR is implemented in aioxmpp

Even if it encourages you not to use it

https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/ibr/service.py#L65 https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/examples/register.py#L34-L40

oh thats a good idea

aioxmpp.IQ isn’t special in that way, you can send any XSO really at that point

lovetox: I've sent you a few messages over the past week, did you receive them?

lovetox, while I’ve got you here, is there a way to turn off autojoining MUCs for (only) one account in gajim?

not as setting no, you would have to add a line to the code

:/

I like how my pidgin doesn’t understand bookmarks ;D

MattJ, yes received it i answerd you, just now ✏

Ah, thanks!

jonas’, why you need that?

lovetox, I am used to poezio for MUCs, but I’d like to use something else for 1:1

jonas’, anything in particular that we could use as feedback for poezio?

so I want gajim to *not* join all my MUCs; but only on that account, because my other accounts are (obviously) not in poezio, and I want to be able in those MUCs

pep., no, that’s not going to be solvable

it’s just me trying to keep the number of windows in poezio sane

pep., dont steal my users

lovetox, you're stealing mine

you had your chance

I'll get my revenge

you’d co-exist, just like poezio and pidgin co-exist on my desktop now, so don’t fight please

:)

:)

lovetox, I'll let you off for now

:D

jonas’, i can only offer you to point you to the line in the code where you could add the line that it skips one special account

lovetox, I’m afraid dpkg won’t be happy about that in the long term

marc, what do you understand under send_raw()

you want to send bytes?

lovetox, iirc his XEP uses some before-bind-iq-like stuff

lovetox, no, xml elements

like iq but not in jabber:foo

yeah you can do that with nbxmpp, thanks to the hint form jonas’

if you use nbxmpp in the REGISTER mode

it will connect to the server and give you control before auth

jonas’, mentioned aioxmpp, no?

as there is no auth in register mode

yeah im sure you can do the same with aioxmpp

just wanted to tell you, that you also can do with nbxmpp

but maybe try first with aioxmpp, its probably way better documented

there are too many xmpp libraries for python :)

jonas’, is there a way to send basic xml elements? something like Element(name = '', attrs = ...)

I don't get the idea behind XSO :)

marc, XSO is just a way to write down a skeleton for XML elements

https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/ping/xso.py#L31-L38 that’s an example which simply defines the XML element <ping xmlns="urn:xmpp:ping"/>; it doesn’t have text or children

if you’ve ever used something like Storm or SQLAlchemy, the ideas behind XSO are very similar

Okay, got it, thanks!

marc, aioxmpp/version/xso.py would be the next-more-complex example of an XSO

jonas’, there is no simpler way to generate xml elements, no?

marc, it’s the simplest way ever

;-)

no, you need to go through XSO. the only other way is to write SAX events yourself.

XSOs are directly converted to SAX events, there is no DOM constructed at any point

(though if you’re into writing SAX events, you can do that, I suppose; you just need to go into the guts of the XMLStream itself)

but actually jonas’ i have that ignore autojoin flag on my todo list

> where ``namespace_uri`` may be :data:`None`. Interesting that you're not enforcing namespaces in TAGs

pep., it’ll fail during serialisation in most cases of an xml stream

as soon as the default namespace has been declared, you can’t serialise elements without namespace URI anymore. which is right at the stream header in XMPP XML streams.

jonas’, can I access xso attrs by simply using the XSO class member variables?

I want to sent the attr but when I send the packet it hangs

it works without attrs

ah, and can I enable a traffic console that shows me the xml traffic sent / received?

jonas’, ah, already found it!