XSF Discussion - 2020-04-29

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14:30:24 marc Ge0rG, MattJ, how would an error element for 389 look like? Just <error type='foobar'/> or is it <stream:error type='foobar'/>?
14:33:25 MattJ Unless the error is intended to close the stream (which I doubt), then I'd borrow from https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#stanzas-error
14:35:04 marc MattJ, thanks for the reference!
14:39:57 Ge0rG Which is exactly why I used IQ syntax initially
14:40:37 MattJ I maintain that any sensible library would be able to understand an error element whatever it is wrapped in
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14:46:05 flow like any nonza that contains an error element is handled as an error?
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14:48:40 MattJ I don't think you can do that necessarily, no
14:48:53 MattJ Isn't an unrecognised nonza stream-fatal already?
14:48:55 flow then I probably do not follow
14:49:38 flow good question, is it desirable? if so, the nonza xep should potentially recommend it
14:50:14 flow IIRC smack currently just logs it
14:50:59 flow but then again, why not do the same if you get an unexpected message with an unsupported payload? is that different from an unexpected nonza? probably yes
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14:51:39 flow of course, stanza a routable, you wouldn't want to disconnect if you get an "unexpected" message
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14:51:43 flow whereas nonzas aren't
14:53:12 flow argl xep389 uses numeric IDs… and no schema at all
14:55:04 marc flow, sam is open for discussion about 389, please bring up your feedback on the ML or directly to sam
14:55:05 flow and there is no specification for the error case if the client uses an invalid id in register
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14:58:03 flow marc, i'll use the ML once I find the time
14:58:21 marc flow, nice, please do
14:58:41 Ge0rG unread mails on standards@ in my inbox: 4006
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15:01:18 MattJ flow, https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#streams-error-conditions-unsupported-stanza-type is what I meant
15:01:32 MattJ But it doesn't explcitly mention the server->client direction
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15:12:49 flow MattJ, I think rfc6120 § 4.9.3.24 is sufficient for me to make smack stream-error on unknown *nonzas*
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15:13:01 flow but what about *unexpected* nonzas?
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17:32:37 DebXWoody Hi. Which XML namespaces can I use during development of a new "maybe" XEP - what is requited to get a "urn:xmpp:*" namespace?
17:36:08 pep. getting accepted as a XEP is all that you need to be able to use urn:xmpp:* (or getting another formal approval from the XSF I guess). Just use whatever you see fit for you potential XEP, at least in the document.
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17:36:49 pep. I'd say in documents you're proposing always use urn:xmpp, but in deployments use something else as long as it's not accepted(?)
17:38:08 DebXWoody pep., ACK, thanks.
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17:38:34 Zash > Registration of protocol namespaces is initiated by the XMPP Extensions Editor when a XEP advances to Draft or Active. haha what
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17:56:42 flow pep.> I'd say in documents you're proposing always use urn:xmpp, but in deployments use something else as long as it's not accepted(?) I'd actually say it is fine to use urn:xmpp:* there too, as you then do not have to change the namespace on acceptance
17:56:52 flow DebXWoody, ^
17:58:02 pep. But you'd change on refusal?
17:58:19 flow Probably not
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