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  653. lovetox flow, i think the reason against text-multi was that most librarys would join all values of a text-multi field
  654. lovetox and not pass them as a list of text values
  655. lovetox XEP-0004: ... Similarly, an application that receives multiple <value/> elements for a field of type "text-multi" SHOULD merge the XML character data of the value elements into one text block for presentation to a user, with each string separated by a newline character as appropriate for that platform.
  656. lovetox and thats also what i would want from a xmpp lib, pass me one text string
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  658. lovetox its not hard to do a split(\n) afterwards of course
  659. lovetox but not sure if this is more elegant than the <open> solution
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  662. flow lovetox, i am not sure if it is sensible for libraries to loose the "this are single values" information by joining the values together
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  664. flow I think the text is more meant for the higher layers, hence the "for presentation to a user" part
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  666. flow surely otherwise the usage of text-multi in pubsub would be problematic for users of libraries which do not expose those indivdual values at their interface
  667. lovetox so what does smacks?
  668. flow well, smack keeps the individual values
  669. flow just as it does for jid-multi
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  671. flow or, fwiw, list-multi
  672. lovetox yeah but you cant compare them really
  673. flow why should a library suddenly handle, or especially implement, text-multi in a different way than the other *-multi
  674. flow why shouldn't I be able to compare different types of form fields?
  675. lovetox ok other question, if i set a text-multi field in smacks
  676. lovetox do i have to pass a list of values?
  677. flow no, there is addValue(CharSequence) and addValues(List<? extends CharSequence)
  678. flow but all those append to the list of values
  679. lovetox from an application developer standpoint, its not evident why i should split up a string on \n to send it over the wire
  680. lovetox i want to pass a string to the lib and it should send it
  681. flow right, but this is not related to the question
  682. lovetox and on the other side i want my string out
  683. lovetox i dont care about xmpp breaking up on \n and send it as multiple values
  684. flow ahh, I guess the reason is newline portability
  685. lovetox to use your lib, i have to understand XEP-0004, or you write a really good documentation where you tell me i have to join the string afterwards
  686. flow so that could be the reason xep4 talks about "newline character as appropriate for that platform"
  687. lovetox and at that point i seriously ask myself, why doesnt do smacks that
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  689. flow well it is a bit trickier
  690. flow if the user ad addValue(CharSequence) with a CharSequence containing a '\n', shall I split it? or does the user want to send it as single value verbatim
  691. flow but again, this is nothing which prevents us from using text-multi in mam
  692. lovetox nobody said it prevents it
  693. lovetox i told you what i heard when they discussed it
  694. lovetox and that was one of the things i heard
  695. flow so that is what I am interested at most right now, but I am also happy to discuss the text-multi newline UI situation if you want
  696. lovetox maybe there are others, but from what i remember it was not a very drawn out decision process
  697. lovetox no actually i dont care about that topic, i just wanted to forward my information
  698. lovetox im sure MattJ is interested
  699. flow but that is also pretty simple: the authors of xep4 basically had two choices: either normalize newline before it is put on the wire, or resort to what they did and split newlines into separte values (if the data is meant for user presentation)
  700. flow I actually think I would have gone for the "normalize newline" thing, but this is what we have right now
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  702. lovetox i never have that problem
  703. lovetox in my gui framework there is no thing as platform specific newlines
  704. lovetox if i do a \n in a textview
  705. lovetox its a newline, on windows and on linux
  706. flow yeah, it was probably a different world when xep4 was written
  707. lovetox its probably a problem if i would save the value to a textfile, which is opend by other apps maybe
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  718. MattJ IMHO an XMPP library should abstract XMPP, and application devs shouldn't need to be familiar with the representation of multiline strings on the wire
  719. MattJ Therefore it is entirely reasonable for a library with a dataforms API to perform the newline splitting/joining itself
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