XSF Discussion - 2020-05-03


  1. govanify has left
  2. govanify has joined
  3. alexis has left
  4. alexis has joined
  5. Seve has left
  6. larma has left
  7. govanify has left
  8. govanify has joined
  9. larma has joined
  10. mukt2 has left
  11. mukt2 has joined
  12. bear has joined
  13. govanify has left
  14. govanify has joined
  15. mukt2 has left
  16. bear has left
  17. mukt2 has joined
  18. lskdjf has left
  19. govanify has left
  20. govanify has joined
  21. pdurbin has joined
  22. aj has joined
  23. govanify has left
  24. govanify has joined
  25. aj has left
  26. alexis has left
  27. mukt2 has left
  28. debacle has left
  29. mukt2 has joined
  30. alexis has joined
  31. pdurbin has left
  32. govanify has left
  33. govanify has joined
  34. emus has left
  35. bear has joined
  36. mukt2 has left
  37. mukt2 has joined
  38. bear has left
  39. sonny has left
  40. sonny has joined
  41. govanify has left
  42. govanify has joined
  43. neshtaxmpp has left
  44. neshtaxmpp has joined
  45. govanify has left
  46. govanify has joined
  47. alexis has left
  48. sonny has left
  49. neshtaxmpp has left
  50. sonny has joined
  51. alexis has joined
  52. govanify has left
  53. govanify has joined
  54. sonny has left
  55. sonny has joined
  56. govanify has left
  57. govanify has joined
  58. sonny has left
  59. sonny has joined
  60. bear has joined
  61. alexis has left
  62. alexis has joined
  63. govanify has left
  64. govanify has joined
  65. sonny has left
  66. sonny has joined
  67. bear has left
  68. govanify has left
  69. govanify has joined
  70. pdurbin has joined
  71. govanify has left
  72. govanify has joined
  73. pdurbin has left
  74. govanify has left
  75. govanify has joined
  76. sonny has left
  77. sonny has joined
  78. govanify has left
  79. govanify has joined
  80. sonny has left
  81. sonny has joined
  82. govanify has left
  83. govanify has joined
  84. Yagiza has joined
  85. bear has joined
  86. goffi has left
  87. pdurbin has joined
  88. govanify has left
  89. govanify has joined
  90. sonny has left
  91. sonny has joined
  92. bear has left
  93. Seve has joined
  94. mukt2 has left
  95. govanify has left
  96. govanify has joined
  97. mukt2 has joined
  98. govanify has left
  99. govanify has joined
  100. DebXWoody has joined
  101. govanify has left
  102. govanify has joined
  103. mimi89999 has left
  104. mimi89999 has joined
  105. govanify has left
  106. govanify has joined
  107. bear has joined
  108. govanify has left
  109. govanify has joined
  110. govanify has left
  111. govanify has joined
  112. bear has left
  113. mukt2 has left
  114. mukt2 has joined
  115. govanify has left
  116. govanify has joined
  117. govanify has left
  118. govanify has joined
  119. paul has joined
  120. govanify has left
  121. govanify has joined
  122. bear has joined
  123. Jeybe has joined
  124. mukt2 has left
  125. lovetox has joined
  126. mukt2 has joined
  127. Jeybe has left
  128. Jeybe has joined
  129. bear has left
  130. adiaholic_ has left
  131. adiaholic_ has joined
  132. Jeybe has left
  133. Jeybe has joined
  134. Jeybe has left
  135. Jeybe has joined
  136. lorddavidiii has joined
  137. waqas has joined
  138. waqas has left
  139. Jeybe has left
  140. Jeybe has joined
  141. waqas has joined
  142. lovetox has left
  143. Daniel has left
  144. Daniel has joined
  145. Daniel has left
  146. Jeybe has left
  147. govanify has left
  148. govanify has joined
  149. mukt2 has left
  150. sonny has left
  151. sonny has joined
  152. mukt2 has joined
  153. govanify has left
  154. govanify has joined
  155. werdan has joined
  156. mukt2 has left
  157. mukt2 has joined
  158. alexis has left
  159. alexis has joined
  160. sonny has left
  161. sonny has joined
  162. govanify has left
  163. govanify has joined
  164. bear has joined
  165. govanify has left
  166. govanify has joined
  167. andy has joined
  168. Daniel has joined
  169. Jeybe has joined
  170. Jeybe has left
  171. Jeybe has joined
  172. bear has left
  173. Jeybe has left
  174. mukt2 has left
  175. Jeybe has joined
  176. xecks has joined
  177. Jeybe has left
  178. Jeybe has joined
  179. govanify has left
  180. govanify has joined
  181. Jeybe has left
  182. Jeybe has joined
  183. robertooo has left
  184. robertooo has joined
  185. mukt2 has joined
  186. Jeybe has left
  187. Jeybe has joined
  188. adiaholic_ has left
  189. adiaholic_ has joined
  190. Jeybe has left
  191. Jeybe has joined
  192. lovetox has joined
  193. Jeybe has left
  194. Jeybe has joined
  195. Mikaela has joined
  196. Jeybe has left
  197. Jeybe has joined
  198. xecks has left
  199. xecks has joined
  200. bear has joined
  201. Jeybe has left
  202. Jeybe has joined
  203. karoshi has joined
  204. mukt2 has left
  205. werdan has left
  206. mukt2 has joined
  207. Tobias has joined
  208. Jeybe has left
  209. Jeybe has joined
  210. Jeybe has left
  211. Jeybe has joined
  212. bear has left
  213. Yagiza Hello!
  214. Jeybe has left
  215. Jeybe has joined
  216. Yagiza I have some questions about latest version of OMEMO implementation.
  217. Yagiza I tried to ask in jdev@conference.jabber.org but after more than 24 hours of waiting got no answer.
  218. Yagiza Can anyone here help me?
  219. Yagiza Or should I ask in Standards mailing list?
  220. neshtaxmpp has joined
  221. Jeybe has left
  222. Jeybe has joined
  223. jonas’ Yagiza, that room is deprecated
  224. jonas’ check out xmpp:jdev@muc.xmpp.org?join instead
  225. emus has joined
  226. Yagiza Ok
  227. Jeybe has left
  228. Jeybe has joined
  229. DebXWoody has left
  230. mukt2 has left
  231. DebXWoody has joined
  232. Jeybe has left
  233. Jeybe has joined
  234. mukt2 has joined
  235. Jeybe has left
  236. Jeybe has joined
  237. Nekit has joined
  238. goffi has joined
  239. robertooo has left
  240. robertooo has joined
  241. bear has joined
  242. mukt2 has left
  243. flow MattJ> Therefore it is entirely reasonable for a library with a dataforms API to perform the newline splitting/joining itself I aggree, but that doesn't mean that the library should or even must loose the information about indvidual values
  244. flow MattJ> Therefore it is entirely reasonable for a library with a dataforms API to perform the newline splitting/joining itself I aggree, but that doesn't mean that the library should or even must loose the information about individual values
  245. karoshi has left
  246. flow hmm maybe we should do something about jdev@conference.jabber.org. remove voice for non-members? autokick with a nice hint towards jdev@muc.xmpp.org?
  247. karoshi has joined
  248. flow not really nice but probably better than people getting the feeling being ignored there
  249. andy has left
  250. MattJ Automatically send invites to the new room?
  251. mukt2 has joined
  252. jonas’ I’d place a bot which auto-replies to anyone writing there with a link to the new room, but I can’t see what’s going on there due to the small dh key.
  253. jonas’ so I’m not comfortable with running a bot there
  254. MattJ > "that doesn't mean the library should lose the information about the individual values" I agree they shouldn't be lost, but they aren't... they are just represented differently :)
  255. MattJ And sure, an array of strings (lines) is a potential sane API for that
  256. MattJ An actual multiline string is equally sane if you have a standard line ending sequence for the current platform
  257. !XSF_Martin The dh key issue should be solved once jabber.org is migrated to prosody. 😃
  258. flow I agree they shouldn't be lost, but they aren't... they are just represented differently :) They are lost as soon as there is a single value containing a newline, which is, as far as I can tell, not forbidden
  259. jonas’ > Data provided for fields of type "text-multi" SHOULD NOT contain any newlines (the \n and \r characters).
  260. jonas’ it’s a SHOULD NOT at least
  261. flow until we we have a nice bot or something in the old jdev@, we potentially should do something we can do right now, like changing the MUC configuration
  262. flow jonas’, right, not a MUST. and this is unrelated to the question why we shouldn't simply use text-multi for MAM IDs
  263. MattJ We set the subject iirc
  264. MattJ In old jdev
  265. flow so I wonder if we should prevent particpants for writing to the MUC? not really nice, but potentially better compared to them feeling ignored
  266. bear has left
  267. emus has left
  268. emus has joined
  269. Maranda has left
  270. MattJ Could do, yeah
  271. andy has joined
  272. Maranda has joined
  273. Alex has left
  274. Alex has joined
  275. lskdjf has joined
  276. mukt2 has left
  277. emus has left
  278. emus has joined
  279. mukt2 has joined
  280. Dele Olajide has joined
  281. Dele Olajide has left
  282. Jeybe has left
  283. Dele Olajide has joined
  284. Jeybe has joined
  285. LNJ has left
  286. debacle has joined
  287. debacle has left
  288. debacle has joined
  289. LNJ has joined
  290. eta has left
  291. eta has joined
  292. Jeybe has left
  293. Jeybe has joined
  294. Jeybe has left
  295. bear has joined
  296. Jeybe has joined
  297. andy has left
  298. Jeybe has left
  299. Jeybe has joined
  300. lovetox has left
  301. !XSF_Martin has left
  302. andy has joined
  303. !XSF_Martin has joined
  304. neshtaxmpp has left
  305. flow Syndace, If I am not mistaken you are one of the authors of the quick response xep, right? If so, is there any reason why this examples declare xml:lang multiple times instead of simply once at the stanza level?
  306. LNJ has left
  307. sonny has left
  308. sonny has joined
  309. bear has left
  310. Syndace flow: I guessed that clients set the xml:lang on stream level or on the <body>.
  311. Jeybe has left
  312. sonny has left
  313. sonny has joined
  314. LNJ has joined
  315. Syndace So no good reason, could also set it on the message stanza
  316. sonny has left
  317. sonny has joined
  318. jonas’ best is to mix it up and use it inconsistently throughout the examples
  319. jonas’ remind everyone about the inheritance rules
  320. flow Syndace, some of them probably due, but it is desireable that examples follow best practices, plus what jonas said
  321. flow Syndace, some of them probably do, but it is desireable that examples follow best practices, plus what jonas said
  322. Syndace That implies that best practice is setting it on the message stanza?
  323. flow Syndace, i'd say best practices is to avoid bytes on the wire when possible
  324. flow in the real world, xml:lang is often defined at stream level so you wouldn't find it neither on the stanza or extension element level
  325. Yagiza has left
  326. flow in the real world, xml:lang is often defined at stream level so you shouldn't find it neither on the stanza or extension element level (if it matches the stream level definition)
  327. Yagiza has joined
  328. flow but for examples, on the stanza level is probably good enough
  329. Syndace Right. Will mix it up a bit :)
  330. Jeybe has joined
  331. flow after thinking a bit about it, am I actually not soo sure about the mixing. since xml:lang plays a key rule in the xep, it is maybe sensible to remind the reader of xml:lang inheritance rules and how the affect this particular protocol *in text*
  332. neshtaxmpp has joined
  333. Syndace I think I do?
  334. jonas’ that, too
  335. jonas’ most of the time, you’ll find the attribute on the stanza though, since servers have to carry it over from the stream level when routing the stanza
  336. flow I think it is actually a bit confusing in the text
  337. jonas’ and I doubt many check if it happens to coincide with the xml:lang they set on the s2s tsream
  338. flow "The xml:lang set on this element MUST mirror the xml:lang of the <body> included in the message stanza next to the <action> element."
  339. Syndace Maybe I don't repeat the inheritance rules, but I state that the body and the quick response elements must have the same xml:lang and that only one body is supported
  340. flow that makes it sound that you need to explicitly set xml:lang on the element to the readers unfamiliar with XML rules
  341. Syndace right, it forces you to set xml:lang on the elemenz
  342. flow which would lead to implementations emitting elements where it is explicitly set, and even worse implementations requiring it to be explicitly set
  343. flow which would lead to implementations emitting elements where it is explicitly set, and even worse, implementations requiring it to be explicitly set
  344. Syndace I'm not 100% sure. "Mirroring" implies that if there is no xml:lang on the body, there is also no xml:lang on the action
  345. flow Syndace, are you talking about effective xml:lang on the body or explicitly set xml:lang on the body?
  346. Syndace Explicit
  347. flow no xep should ever depend on explicitly set inherited xml attributes values
  348. Syndace Actually, it doesn't even matter
  349. flow At least xmlns and xml:lang are inherited
  350. Syndace Is there a document I can refer to regarding xml:lang or do I repeat the rules myself
  351. flow I am currently trying to find out if the quick response xep does require explicitly set xml:lang in the extension element. I think it currently at least gives the impression
  352. flow Syndace, xml 1.0 § 2.12
  353. Syndace I agree that the current phrasing might be interpreted as requiring xml:lang, even though that wasn't my intention
  354. Syndace What I want to say is "the effective xml:lang of the action element MUST be equivalent to the effective xml:lang of the body"
  355. Syndace > Syndace, xml 1.0 § 2.12 cool, thanks
  356. flow Syndace, you are welcome, and thanks for the XEP (and that's from one as someone who loves data forms and ad-hoc commands) :)
  357. xecks has left
  358. xecks has joined
  359. winfried has left
  360. mukt2 has left
  361. winfried has joined
  362. winfried has left
  363. winfried has joined
  364. winfried has left
  365. winfried has joined
  366. bear has joined
  367. Syndace Looking forward to where this XEP is going, I expect a bit of a wild ride :)
  368. j.r has left
  369. j.r has joined
  370. bear has left
  371. Dele Olajide has left
  372. marc MattJ, Ge0rG: I modified 401 a bit and have also a first ejabberd implementation based on 389 http://dump.zapb.de/xeps/xep-0401.html#preauth-ibr
  373. marc Atm, I implemented it like in example 12 and 14
  374. lovetox has joined
  375. mukt2 has joined
  376. andy has left
  377. xsf has left
  378. alameyo has left
  379. andy has joined
  380. DebXWoody has left
  381. Jeybe has left
  382. werdan has joined
  383. neshtaxmpp has left
  384. Jeybe has joined
  385. neshtaxmpp has joined
  386. DebXWoody has joined
  387. mukt2 has left
  388. werdan has left
  389. bear has joined
  390. mukt2 has joined
  391. nyco has left
  392. winfried has left
  393. winfried has joined
  394. nyco has joined
  395. winfried has left
  396. winfried has joined
  397. Shell has joined
  398. bear has left
  399. Zash has left
  400. Zash has joined
  401. mukt2 has left
  402. Shell has left
  403. Shell has joined
  404. mukt2 has joined
  405. j.r has left
  406. j.r has joined
  407. karoshi has left
  408. karoshi has joined
  409. mukt2 has left
  410. bear has joined
  411. mukt2 has joined
  412. Jeybe has left
  413. Jeybe has joined
  414. Jeybe has left
  415. Jeybe has joined
  416. Jeybe has left
  417. pdurbin has left
  418. bear has left
  419. xecks has left
  420. xecks has joined
  421. alameyo has joined
  422. Shell has left
  423. adiaholic_ has left
  424. adiaholic_ has joined
  425. adiaholic_ has left
  426. adiaholic_ has joined
  427. karoshi has left
  428. karoshi has joined
  429. derdaniel has joined
  430. derdaniel has left
  431. marc has left
  432. debacle has left
  433. marc has joined
  434. alexis has left
  435. alexis has joined
  436. mukt2 has left
  437. bear has joined
  438. mukt2 has joined
  439. j.r has left
  440. rion has left
  441. rion has joined
  442. eta has left
  443. eta has joined
  444. mukt2 has left
  445. sonny has left
  446. sonny has joined
  447. bear has left
  448. mukt2 has joined
  449. lorddavidiii has left
  450. sonny has left
  451. lorddavidiii has joined
  452. mukt2 has left
  453. karoshi has left
  454. karoshi has joined
  455. mukt2 has joined
  456. waqas has left
  457. mukt2 has left
  458. lovetox has left
  459. bear has joined
  460. mukt2 has joined
  461. govanify has left
  462. govanify has joined
  463. pdurbin has joined
  464. Nekit has left
  465. bear has left
  466. pdurbin has left
  467. paul has left
  468. paul has joined
  469. j.r has joined
  470. werdan has joined
  471. Jeybe has joined
  472. Daniel has left
  473. Daniel has joined
  474. Daniel has left
  475. Daniel has joined
  476. Shell has joined
  477. lovetox has joined
  478. sonny has joined
  479. bear has joined
  480. mukt2 has left
  481. mukt2 has joined
  482. Daniel has left
  483. Daniel has joined
  484. debacle has joined
  485. waqas has joined
  486. bear has left
  487. sonny has left
  488. sonny has joined
  489. Daniel has left
  490. Daniel has joined
  491. xecks has left
  492. xecks has joined
  493. Daniel has left
  494. Daniel has joined
  495. Daniel has left
  496. Daniel has joined
  497. karoshi has left
  498. xecks has left
  499. Daniel has left
  500. xecks has joined
  501. Daniel has joined
  502. sonny has left
  503. sonny has joined
  504. sonny has left
  505. sonny has joined
  506. sonny has left
  507. sonny has joined
  508. sonny has left
  509. sonny has joined
  510. bear has joined
  511. karoshi has joined
  512. pdurbin has joined
  513. sonny has left
  514. sonny has joined
  515. Daniel has left
  516. Daniel has joined
  517. edhelas has left
  518. edhelas has joined
  519. bear has left
  520. xecks has left
  521. xecks has joined
  522. contrapunctus has joined
  523. contrapunctus has left
  524. pdurbin has left
  525. sonny has left
  526. sonny has joined
  527. mukt2 has left
  528. mukt2 has joined
  529. karoshi has left
  530. karoshi has joined
  531. lovetox has left
  532. bear has joined
  533. mukt2 has left
  534. contrapunctus has joined
  535. Maranda has left
  536. mukt2 has joined
  537. Maranda has joined
  538. rion has left
  539. rion has joined
  540. lovetox has joined
  541. mukt2 has left
  542. lovetox has left
  543. lovetox has joined
  544. Maranda has left
  545. Maranda has joined
  546. mukt2 has joined
  547. werdan has left
  548. rion has left
  549. rion has joined
  550. werdan has joined
  551. Nekit has joined
  552. emus has left
  553. emus has joined
  554. intosi has left
  555. ralphm has left
  556. ralphm has joined
  557. intosi has joined
  558. mukt2 has left
  559. pdurbin has joined
  560. mukt2 has joined
  561. werdan has left
  562. govanify has left
  563. govanify has joined
  564. govanify has left
  565. govanify has joined
  566. werdan has joined
  567. werdan has left
  568. pdurbin has left
  569. mukt2 has left
  570. mukt2 has joined
  571. govanify has left
  572. govanify has joined
  573. Dele Olajide has joined
  574. Dele Olajide has left
  575. xecks has left
  576. xecks has joined
  577. werdan has joined
  578. LNJ has left
  579. LNJ has joined
  580. Jeybe has left
  581. sonny has left
  582. sonny has joined
  583. DebXWoody has left
  584. contrapunctus has left
  585. Jeybe has joined
  586. contrapunctus has joined
  587. sonny has left
  588. sonny has joined
  589. mukt2 has left
  590. govanify has left
  591. govanify has joined
  592. mukt2 has joined
  593. karoshi has left
  594. karoshi has joined
  595. david has left
  596. david has joined
  597. adiaholic_ has left
  598. adiaholic_ has joined
  599. Shell has left
  600. murabito has left
  601. werdan has left
  602. mukt2 has left
  603. aj has joined
  604. mukt2 has joined
  605. pdurbin has joined
  606. Jeybe has left
  607. Jeybe has joined
  608. aj has left
  609. mukt2 has left
  610. mukt2 has joined
  611. neshtaxmpp has left
  612. goffi has left
  613. pdurbin has left
  614. Daniel has left
  615. Daniel has joined
  616. Daniel has left
  617. Daniel has joined
  618. Mikaela has left
  619. Daniel has left
  620. Daniel has joined
  621. Daniel has left
  622. Daniel has joined
  623. Jeybe has left
  624. lovetox has left
  625. Jeybe has joined
  626. contrapunctus has left
  627. sonny has left
  628. sonny has joined
  629. alexis has left
  630. Tobias has left
  631. Daniel has left
  632. Daniel has joined
  633. Daniel has left
  634. Daniel has joined
  635. alexis has joined
  636. Daniel has left
  637. Daniel has joined
  638. adiaholic_ has left
  639. adiaholic_ has joined
  640. mukt2 has left
  641. karoshi has left
  642. karoshi has joined
  643. lovetox has joined
  644. mukt2 has joined
  645. lorddavidiii has left
  646. govanify has left
  647. govanify has joined
  648. govanify has left
  649. govanify has joined
  650. Shell has joined
  651. neshtaxmpp has joined
  652. Shell has left
  653. Shell has joined
  654. mukt2 has left
  655. mukt2 has joined
  656. xsf has joined
  657. andy has left
  658. robertooo has left
  659. Maranda I think the next thing I'll implement will be 409, a good portion of 386 is already done.
  660. robertooo has joined
  661. Yagiza has left
  662. govanify has left
  663. govanify has joined
  664. Jeybe has left
  665. Jeybe has joined
  666. govanify has left
  667. govanify has joined
  668. govanify has left
  669. govanify has joined
  670. Shell has left
  671. Jeybe has left
  672. Shell has joined
  673. sonny has left
  674. sonny has joined
  675. mukt2 has left
  676. Zash has left
  677. Zash has joined
  678. Shell has left
  679. Shell has joined
  680. govanify has left
  681. govanify has joined
  682. govanify has left
  683. govanify has joined
  684. mukt2 has joined
  685. govanify has left
  686. govanify has joined
  687. Shell has left
  688. lovetox has left
  689. mukt2 has left
  690. pdurbin has joined
  691. bear has left
  692. debacle has left
  693. mukt2 has joined
  694. Seve has left
  695. pdurbin has left
  696. emus has left
  697. LNJ has left
  698. emus has joined
  699. bear has joined
  700. j.r has left
  701. neshtaxmpp has left
  702. karoshi has left
  703. mukt2 has left
  704. mukt2 has joined
  705. Zash has left
  706. Zash has joined
  707. xecks has left
  708. Zash has left
  709. govanify has left
  710. govanify has joined
  711. mukt2 has left
  712. mukt2 has joined