About old and new mucrooms... There is not forward possibility? :)
pep.
That depends on the oldroom, and also on client support (via <gone/>)
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Zash
Should write something about that, Informational XEP or something. Tombstones and redirects.
jonas’
tomatoes and redirects
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marc
MattJ, Ge0rG: any comments so far? I would like to make progress soon
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MattJ
marc: sorry, I've had limited time the past week or so
MattJ
Will look into it today if I can
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Ge0rG
same from me
Ge0rG
need to read and understand both proposals first.
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Guus
XEP-0289 FMUC question, related to section 5.2 ( https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0289.html#messages ). The example describes how a joining FMUC node (elsinore) sends a message to the joined FMUC node (rabbithole). Federation is configured to use the master-slave mode (where rabbithole is the master). This sentence makes me wonder if I misunderstand a key part of the XEP:
> This example is for master-master mode, so rabbithole does not echo the message back to elsinore and elsinore does not need to wait for receipt of this stanza from rabbithole (...)
As I understand the XEP, the federation is initiated by elisnore. This is where the configuration lives. No negotiation of the configuration (specifically, the type of mode that's used) seems to take place. This is also referenced to in section 5.1:
> Note that this configuration only needs to be one way (that is: there is no protocol reason why rabbithole needs to know that elsinor will be federating with it in advance)
How does rabbithole determine that it needs not echo the message back to elsinore?
Does anyone remember what led XEP-0215 to be broadened from "STUN Server Discovery for Jingle" to the generic-but-not-quite "External Service Discovery" it is now?
( check https://xmpp.org/extensions/attic/xep-0215-0.1.html )
Going to look trough some archives prior to https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-August/thread.html#16602 but there's not much explicit mention of 215 in any subjects)
Zash: ahh - direct sending of files from user to user should be default :)
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
And possible with any size file
pep.
wat
jonas’
you seem to be misunderstanding what "standards" or "xmpp" means in this context
pep.
Also I would like to raise to our non-existent Code of Conduct committee some issues I have.
Zash
This is about boring text documents that describe how you'd do that. It's up to developers to decide what methods to use when.
Zash
pep., write a Procedural XEP about it? :P
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Well I thought XMPP could do direct sending of files like in the old days chat applications.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
I guess the server decide then on the size of the file.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
:/
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
So if i wanna send a 4 gb file to someone how to do it on XMPP?
vanitasvitae
DarkiJah: this is possible with a protocol called Jingle.
vanitasvitae
XEP-0234 iirc
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
vanitasvitae: great, that is the same thing used for voice and video?
moparisthebest
actually a few ways I think? but yes, direct user to user can happen with existing protocols
vanitasvitae
Kind of
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
So we just need someone to put it into XMPP clients?
Zash
This is already done for files too large to upload to the server afaik
moparisthebest
the problem is DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , you might not want that, or your contact might not want it, I'm connected to the same account via various clients at the moment, how do *you* know which client *I* want to recieve said file on?
vanitasvitae
Jingle is used for negotiation of a transport
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: lets get back to the old days then sending a file directly fron user to user :)
moparisthebest
and explain how to do that if your contact is connected via multiple clients?
moparisthebest
in the old days, you were just connected from your PC :P
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: you couls accept on the client you want it???
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Could
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, what if you went offline before I decided where I wanted to accept it?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: don't make it harder then it is :)
vanitasvitae
But it is
moparisthebest
this is the problem http upload solves
Zash
Use https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0385.html
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Then it gets lost of cause no brainy
moparisthebest
you upload it, I can grab it from any of my clients whenever I choose later, even if we aren't online at the same time
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Yes but you don't have the option for bigger files.
moparisthebest
yes you do?
vanitasvitae
If you run your own server you can decide that limit
moparisthebest
you can set your http upload server to accept *any* size file
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Its needing s middle man which is a bottle neck
moparisthebest
mine is set to allow 1gb for example
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vanitasvitae
But its better for multi client use cases
moparisthebest
also MUC like here
vanitasvitae
Like, you want to receive the file on two devices? With jingle you have to send it twice
vanitasvitae
Yeah
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vanitasvitae
I can understand the appeal of jingle file transfer, but http upload is what most people really want to use
vanitasvitae
But again, modern clients often support both methods