XSF Discussion - 2020-05-06


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  244. pep. https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/707/files so we just got this request to add https://mailfence.com to clients.json.
  245. pep. Is there any rule against adding a proprietary service to the list
  246. pep. I mostly see free software clients in there
  247. jonas’ AstraChat is proprietary too
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  249. pep. Quid of adding a row about licenses, and maybe another one about price
  250. jonas’ I think the requirement should be that it works with any RFC 6120 server
  251. jonas’ otherwise it is more of a case for https://xmpp.org/uses/
  252. Ge0rG I'm with jonas’ here
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  255. pep. I don't disagree, but on what grounds
  256. Ge0rG that page doesn't mention "jabber" or "xmpp", and I don't see where you could download an xmpp client tthere
  257. jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/355 relevant
  258. pep. (it's definitely an XMPP service and not a client, since they recommend clients to connect)
  259. jonas’ if it’s not a client, it’s not fit for clients.json, simple as that
  260. pep. I'll reply that
  261. jonas’ if it’s a service, it’s better suited for uses.html
  262. Ge0rG and we don't have a list of hosted services, do we?
  263. jonas’ no we don’t
  264. Ge0rG we used to have one, but then it was replaced by links to two lists of lists.
  265. Ge0rG we used to have one, but then it was replaced by a list of server lists.
  266. pep. Ah wait,
  267. pep. https://kb.mailfence.com/kb/could-you-please-suggest-any-local-client-for-xmpp-connection-for-mailfence-group-chat/
  268. pep. So I guess they do have a web client
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  277. pep. https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html the following could actually be confusing: > See something missing? Any list of XMPP servers, clients or libraries will, due to the dynamic and evolving nature of the XMPP market, be out of date almost as soon as it’s published. If you spot mistakes, errors or omissions in the table below, please submit a pull request!
  278. pep. "XMPP market", lol
  279. pep. Confusing as in, random users updating that list
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  446. pep. https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/708 somebody to review this?
  447. Zash looks simple enough
  448. pep. Zash, yeah, just not to be accused of merging without review :p
  449. pep. Thanks jonas’
  450. pep. Is the docker thing back again btw? Are containers updated automatically now?
  451. jonas’ no
  452. jonas’ but I’ll do it for you if you ping me
  453. pep. okay
  454. pep. I can't login on the docker hub thing anymore for reasons
  455. pep. Well I can but I get a blank page
  456. jonas’ just docker hub things
  457. pep. yeah..
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  485. flow - LC for XEP-0280 expired without feedback. I think there was a lot of (unaddressed) LC feedback to xep280, just not for this LC. I am not sure if LC'ing xep280 again and again is what is required to move this XEP…
  486. flow (context: council@)
  487. Zash Has anyone by any chance written down a summary of that feedback?
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  498. flow of course not, at least I am not aware of any. if only we had a way to tag mails on standards@ to make the information there easier accessible
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  500. Zash I read "if only we had a way to nag standards@" :D
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  512. Ge0rG Zash: that's what I do all the time!
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  590. tom__ How long do any of you suppose it will take before XEP-0384 moves on to draft status?
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  594. moparisthebest somewhere between a year and never probably, why does the status matter?
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  596. tom__ I was just asking because I've been in mucs trying to use it
  597. tom__ And a lot of people on Gajim or Profanity have tons of problems with it
  598. tom__ Like silently dropping messages
  599. pep. To use omemo:1? Does anybody actually implement this?
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  601. pep. Ah the previous one
  602. tom__ And some people requesting that I allow them subscription access despite me not knowing them just so they can kick their client into having omemo work
  603. pep. tom__, well it's recently been updated, so maybe watch out for this
  604. tom__ Which I refuse to do because I don't want to share things like presence data and geocords with everyone
  605. tom__ » [13:48:25] <pep.> To use omemo:1? Does anybody actually implement this? » I have never seen an implementation of that
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  607. lovetox tom__, without presence subscription it will always work not optimal and you will have problems
  608. lovetox this has nothing to do with the state of the XEP
  609. lovetox solution is, dont use omemo with contacts not in your roster
  610. Zash Don't clients make the OMEMO key stuff public these days, when their server supports that?
  611. Zash That was a major driver for deployment of such server capabilities, since it makes OMEMO in groupchats with non-contacts easier.
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  618. tom__ How can i ensure my server has deployed those server capabilities?
  619. tom__ Are you talking about pubsub?
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  622. Zash Update. Yes, PEP specifically.
  623. Zash Stuff described in either XEP-0222 or 0223 IIRC
  624. tom__ So if my server already implements PEP, is there anything on my side left to do?
  625. Zash "PEP" in its basic version doesn't support this.
  626. Zash Pretty sure recent versions of Prosody and ejabberd both include more extended PEP support tho.
  627. lovetox tom__, there are server modules who make the omemo public key node public
  628. lovetox or server configuration options
  629. lovetox ask in the server support rooms
  630. Zash But this also applies to everyone else in the group chat.
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  632. lovetox but is this not problematic in some instances?
  633. lovetox say i connect via TOR probably because i want anonymity
  634. Link Mauve lovetox, some people argue that it makes deanonymising much easier.
  635. lovetox but then my key identifys me
  636. Link Mauve Since if nick1 in room1 and nick2 in room2 share the same OMEMO keys, they’re the same person.
  637. Zash OMEMO in MUC only works if you know everyones JIDs, so where's the concern?
  638. lovetox A JID is not necessarily something that identifies you
  639. Zash I assume that you aren's sharing OMEMO keys across accounts
  640. lovetox but i guess there is no client which lets you use omemo keys for more than one jid
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  667. tom__ It would be useful if there was an automated test for that
  668. tom__ So users could know if their host is to blame or a buggy client
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  670. Zash Doesn't https://compliance.conversations.im/test/xep0384/ do precisely that?
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