XSF Discussion - 2020-05-19


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  239. Alex just started Memberbot for our current voting period
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  241. Ge0rG is it that time of the year again?
  242. Guus kindly add 'hell yes!' to the list of accepted answers.
  243. Zash s/year/quarter/
  244. pep. xmpp:memberbot@xmpp.org?message;body=woo
  245. Guus woo?
  246. pep. just to initiate the chat :(
  247. pep. just to initiate the chat :)
  248. Guus ah, I traditionally use o/ for that.
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  250. Ge0rG does the bot accept "Yes" as a "yes" already?
  251. Guus Hell no?
  252. Guus unsure, I'm conditioned to use lower case.
  253. Daniel No
  254. Ge0rG Guus: me too, but my mobile client's keyboard will auto-capitalize
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  256. Zash Buttons^W Quick Responses ?
  257. Ge0rG Alex: two of the applicants have 2019 application links in place. Was that a deliberate move by the applicants or did they actually miss their deadline and didn't do anything?
  258. Alex let me check
  259. Alex @Ge0rG‎ fixed, thans
  260. Ge0rG 👍
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  268. Syndace > Buttons^W Quick Responses ? soon (tm)
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  277. Ge0rG Why oh why did I parse that as "buttocks"?
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  287. Guus Freud?
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  324. moparisthebest apparantly gajim gives you the option to delete your account on the server, anyone know where "delete my account" is defined?
  325. moparisthebest I can only find https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0133.html#delete-user which seems to be only for administrators
  326. moparisthebest and https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/account-management.html#deletion which looks like it was never accepted
  327. Ge0rG moparisthebest: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#usecases-cancel
  328. moparisthebest thanks Ge0rG ! that explains why my searching for "delete" found nothing...
  329. Ge0rG The "remove" is also well-hidden in the XML
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  331. moparisthebest IBR security concerns could use some work, in practice how many servers actually ask for current password when changing your password and/or deleting your account?
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  333. moparisthebest it gives a MAY up higher, but that seems like a pretty big security concern: > A given deployment MAY choose to require additional information (such as the old password or previously-gathered personal information) before cancelling the registration. In order to do so, the server or service SHOULD return a Data Form in the error stanza
  334. jonas’ Alex, memberbot doesn’t send presence to me
  335. jonas’ (jonas@wielicki.name)
  336. jonas’ that’s a first
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  339. pep. > does the bot accept "Yes" as a "yes" already? I fixed it a few months ago? dunno if Alex is using it though
  340. Ge0rG Yes, it worked. Thanks very much!
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  342. Alex @jonas’‎ all looks good on my end. Also have done not modifications with memberbots roster
  343. jonas’ hm
  344. jonas’ I re-requested authorization, that hasn’t worked so far
  345. Alex @pep. not running the latest versions, I tried, but get exceptions when I ran it ofr testing. Still trying to find out whats going wrong. I think it may be related to chat states. Also, there is still a PR open from you.
  346. Alex I cherry pickted the Yes, No changes to the branch I run
  347. jonas’ May 19 16:07:01 s2sin5578198878d0 debug Received[s2sin]: <presence type='unavailable' from='memberbot@xmpp.org' to='jonas@wielicki.name'>
  348. jonas’ I’m getting straight type='unavailable' back on subscribe
  349. jonas’ now it replies to me
  350. jonas’ but still shows unavailable presence
  351. jonas’ something is definitely weird
  352. MattJ > load_roster: loading for offline user: memberbot@xmpp.org
  353. MattJ (Prosody log)
  354. jonas’ also it stopped replying again
  355. Alex @jonas' bot crashed, will be online again soon
  356. jonas’ thanks
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  361. jonas’ I see memberbot & presence now
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  371. Alex @pep. this is what I get when I try to start a new coting session with the latest Memberbot code on Github: ``` 2020-05-19 18:55:04,652 DEBUG RECV: <message xml:lang="en" to="memberbot@palaver.im/16903948272308590243398178" from="alex@palaver.im/gajim.ZV7K69RF" type="chat" id="5acded22-1e4a-4e4a-a9b3-d9110d2aca3f"><origin-id xmlns="urn:xmpp:sid:0" id="5acded22-1e4a-4e4a-a9b3-d9110d2aca3f" /><request xmlns="urn:xmpp:receipts" /><body>hi</body></message> 2020-05-19 18:55:04,654 DEBUG Event triggered: message 2020-05-19 18:55:04,655 DEBUG SEND: <message to="alex@palaver.im/gajim.ZV7K69RF" id="f9429227-baf9-4a1a-a03a-fc39894e8ae8-13" xml:lang="en"><composing xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/chatstates" /></message> 2020-05-19 18:55:04,657 DEBUG Looking up cached disco#info data for alex@palaver.im/gajim.ZV7K69RF, node . 2020-05-19 18:55:04,658 DEBUG SEND: <r xmlns="urn:xmpp:sm:3" /> 2020-05-19 18:55:04,658 DEBUG SEND: <iq id="f9429227-baf9-4a1a-a03a-fc39894e8ae8-15" to="alex@palaver.im/gajim.ZV7K69RF" type="get"><query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info" /></iq> 2020-05-19 18:55:04,659 DEBUG SEND: <message xml:lang="en" to="alex@palaver.im/gajim.ZV7K69RF" type="error" id="5acded22-1e4a-4e4a-a9b3-d9110d2aca3f"><error type="cancel"><undefined-condition xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas" /><text xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas">Slixmpp got into trouble.</text></error></message> 2020-05-19 18:55:04,660 ERROR Error handling {jabber:client}message stanza Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/alex/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/slixmpp/api.py", line 133, in run return handler(jid, node, ifrom, args) File "/home/alex/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/slixmpp/plugins/xep_0115/static.py", line 73, in supports info = self.disco._wrap(ifrom, jid, info, True) File "/home/alex/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/slixmpp/plugins/xep_0030/disco.py", line 780, in _wrap iq.append(payload) File "/home/alex/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/slixmpp/xmlstream/stanzabase.py", line 1170, in append raise TypeError TypeError During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: ```
  372. pep. Alex, maybe move this to slixmpp@muc.poez.io :)
  373. pep. Also I don't get notified on "@pep."
  374. Alex I use Slack too often ☺️
  375. Zash 😱️
  376. pep. Alex, fwiw, I also can't run memberbot, serialization fails I'm not entirely sure why..
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  378. Alex okay, good to know that its not related to my python skills only ;-)
  379. pep. Except it's not the same error
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  385. jonas’ Daniel, Conversations prefers Opus for audio calls, right?
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  393. Daniel jonas’: yes
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  397. jonas’ thanks :)
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  442. Neustradamus_ It is possible to update the memberbot logo? Always the old... - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg
  443. Neustradamus_ About "? (yes / no)" When we click on: - yes, it is showed: yes - no, it is showed: No
  444. pep. PR welcome
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  449. moparisthebest so python memberbot crashes a lot and can't be reliably ran across different machines, anxiously awaiting memberbot-rs pep. :)
  450. pep. :-°
  451. pep. I'm using it to work on xmpp-rs mostly
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  536. eevvoor Mentioning best prectices: Beagle IM does not want to use mentioning without @ https://github.com/tigase/beagle-im/issues/14
  537. eevvoor Mentioning best practices: Beagle IM does not want to use mentioning without @ https://github.com/tigase/beagle-im/issues/14
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  539. eevvoor > Neustradamus: We type the first letter (or two or more), after tab key, the first username is detected, tab again, the second... > woj-tek: Great that it works in other applications. Though, it's never been specified so that's customary at best. Morover, it can lead to excessive notification when we namedrop someone without intention to rise attention. Is there some standards / XEPs we could come up with?
  540. pep. Yeah that was mentioned in jdev yesterday, re mentions
  541. eevvoor ah ok
  542. pep. the issue here is that choosing a specific character is again mixing input format and wire format
  543. pep. There's conversejs using 0372 for this specific use-case. The user types @ and autocompletes a nick, and converse on the wire sends 0372. The receiving client then knows it's been mentioned. It doesn't have to parse "@" in the text, and it can also use another character if it wants (or no character)
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  545. eevvoor Where is that docunented? What could I cite here in the github issue pep.?
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  547. pep. I'm replying in the issue
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  549. pep. And Wojtek knows what I'm talking about I assume
  550. pep. "Current situation is is not ideal and it seems that the best way forward would be to implement XEP-0372: References: Mentions and while we consider it there is no ETA."
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  553. pep. (fwiw I'm not especially advertising for 372, I just care about the distinction between input and wire format :p)
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