XSF Discussion - 2020-05-26


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  157. Guus Neustradamus_ Do you mean a feature where a ban can be defined for a certain period? That might make for an interesting add-on - but I'm thinking that more than 90% of the use case of banning would be to remove people permanently.
  158. Guus But I do not immediately see a reason why something like a ban period cannot be added.
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  202. Neustradamus_ Guus: Yes! But in XEP-0045 not in a new
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  204. Guus Neustradamus_ XEP-0045 is not final, so you can propose a change.
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  211. Holger I'd suggest avoid being banned by not going on people's nerves in the first place :->
  212. Daniel 😂
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  216. larma Neustradamus_, why is it important to be in XEP-0045 and not a new XEP?
  217. jonas’ Link Mauve, AFAIK, @xml:lang is allowed everywhere and you don’t have to add support for it
  218. jonas’ if you really wanted to specifically point at @xml:lang, you could declare it in the schema under a different prefix -- nobody forces you to use xml as prefix
  219. vanitasvitae > https://github.com/zoom/zoom-e2e-whitepaper Impressive that they got Mathew Green as an author
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  221. jonas’ > .pdf
  222. jonas’ *sigh*
  223. vanitasvitae yeah 😛
  224. vanitasvitae COMMIT ALL DEM BINARIES!!!
  225. Guus hey, at least it's not a Word document.
  226. larma that zoom e2e thing makes no sense to me
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  228. larma "Ed25519 is not FIPS approved but it's better, so we just do Ed25519 *and* P-384 for everything. Ed25519 for the securit and P-384 to make regulators happy"
  229. vanitasvitae 😀
  230. larma This is what happens when you design crypto protocols with business in mind
  231. Neustradamus_ It is better to have a full perfect XEP that several.
  232. Holger Why not put everything into a full perfect RFC 6120?
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  235. wurstsalat don't feed him :D
  236. vanitasvitae 😀
  237. vanitasvitae I'd write the IETF!
  238. Guus fwiw, to me, this particular feature seems more suitable to be injected in the existing XEP more than as a stand-alone one.
  239. larma Neustradamus_, it doesn't make a difference if you open issues everywhere "support new XEP for banning with period" or "support new version of XEP-0045"
  240. Guus be nice, guys.
  241. larma Guus, I think XEP-0045 is already too big and already has too many things not properly defined whereas others are defined down to the detail
  242. larma I mean, just a random example but but §10.3 and §10.6 are 1.5 pages virtually identitical text
  243. Guus larma not adding this won't change that, but at least it'll remain consistent. Also, I'm most unlikely to die on this particular hill.
  244. Seve I completely agree with that, Guus
  245. Guus larma not adding this won't change that, but at least it'll remain consistent if this is added. Also, I'm most unlikely to die on this particular hill.
  246. larma I mean, for this specifically I also won't mind
  247. larma The only problem I see is that it moves finalizing further away
  248. Guus Sure. I think we're pretty much agreeing on things.
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  250. jonas’ I think that xep-0045.xml should only receive bugfixes at this point, new features should go into inbox/
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  255. Guus points at hill: "not where I'm going to die"
  256. jonas’ not sure if that’s your choice ;P
  257. Guus I'm also not going to die on the hill that is the discussion on what hill I'm going to die on.
  258. Guus also, I find this morbid fascination slightly disturbing.
  259. jonas’ you started it
  260. Guus Yes, talking about my own fascinations mostly 🙂
  261. jonas’ also, the wife and I are watching The Good Place atm, some slight increase in comical morbidity is to be expected. (note: The Good Place is full of plot twists, so don’t read a plot summary if you’re curious)
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  270. Guus Trying to play out Netflix eh? Fair warning: the end boss is hard.
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  303. MattJ Sigh, jabber.org
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  306. Guus Have you tried turning it off and on again?
  307. mathieui the turning off part is quite battle-tested at this point
  308. MattJ I'm not sure about that
  309. Guus Q
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  312. Guus (ignore this)
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  347. vanitasvitae interesting how frequent I now see message edits being used in XMPP 😀
  348. vanitasvitae very useful feature apparently
  349. Holger And WhatsApp doesn't have it!!!
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  356. vanitasvitae pathetic!!!
  357. Zash But WhatsApp was based on XMPP, therefore it's XMPP that's pathetic!!!!1!!!!!!eleven
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  361. Neustradamus_ vanitasvitae: There is always the problem about XEP-0308: Last Message Correction: History, there are all changes...
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  363. pep. Neustradamus_, ask your client dev to fix this
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  365. pep. It's possible for most cases
  366. pep. Also possibly combined with 0421
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  368. Neustradamus_ pep.: The XEP has been updated?
  369. pep. Which
  370. Neustradamus_ XEP-0308
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  372. pep. It doesn't need to?
  373. pep. The fact that clients don't group corrections in MUC history is only due to them not being able to assert it's the same user. 0421 gives them the ability (for MUCs that have it deployed, obviously)
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  377. Neustradamus_ rion: ^
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  379. Neustradamus_ Jabber.org has problem since several days no?
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  387. Guus yes. The admins are already aware of the problems.
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  391. Neustradamus_ Guus: Thanks to confirm me! I have not contacted several days ago, but today there are lost messages...
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  459. MattJ I've emailed Isode support. I've no idea what's wrong, and a restart didn't help
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  461. Kev AFAICS it's working, just overloaded.
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  463. Kev I'm watching authentications get logged. If I telnet to the port I get responses (slowly)
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  468. jonas’ I sometimes got successful connections when I tried to debug why I ran into timeouts while checking it
  469. jonas’ so a fun DoS?
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  471. Kev Possibly.
  472. Zash Actual DoS or post-restart flood?
  473. Kev Don't know.
  474. jonas’ needs more cloudflare
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  495. Kev Seems to be completely responsive now, to me.
  496. Kev And CPU is no longer pegged.
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  505. MattJ Great
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  508. Neustradamus_ Dear Jabber.org team, it is possible to have a special mucroom for it?
  509. MattJ Thanks for checking... if you don't see the cause then pretty sure I had no chance. I'll look at traffic next time perhaps
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  512. Kev I couldn't see anything particular from any one host, it just seemed to be 'lots'.
  513. Kev As Zash says, the same sort you normally see swapming post-restart.
  514. Kev As Zash says, the same sort you normally see swamping post-restart.
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  523. Guus 'lots' being one more than many-many-three?
  524. Guus It's been to long since I opened a discworld book...
  525. Guus https://discworldquotes.tumblr.com/post/159017563008/everyone-knows-trolls-cant-even-count-up-to
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  539. jonas’ RIP
  540. jonas’ also: $ curl -vvsSL -o/dev/null https://observe.jabber.network 2>&1 | grep X-Clacks-Overhead
  541. jonas’ it is surprisingly difficult to extract an HTTP header from curl
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  587. Zash > Any namespaced elements can be used within a <command/>. Hmmmmmm.
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  593. Zash Does anyone know if anything anywhere does ad-hoc commands with anything other than dataforms?
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  620. jonas’ I think my draft for ToS tried to
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