XSF Discussion - 2020-05-27

https://matrix.org/blog/2020/05/21/welcoming-automattic-to-matrix/ :/

Is it possible to block individual users in a MUC room?

I did a quick search but didn't find anything.

you can add them to your block list

with the full jid

It should be impossible in anonymous rooms, but maybe it works in non-anonymous rooms?

but then they just add _ to their nick :-/

The full MUC + nickname JID

okay, thanks 🙂

Anyone wanna work on a MUC (or MIX) blocking thing?

Guess that would be a nice feature to have

XEP-0191 on the room JID?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

and you feed that with real jids?

MUC JIDs. The MUC knows the real JIDs and can do magic.

occupant-id

jonas’, block by occupant-id? clientside?

no, use the occupant-id instead of the MUC JID as identifier to pass to the MUC for blocking ✏

But 191 takes JID

then maybe not '191 :)

`<{urn:xmpp:blocking}block><{urn:xmpp:new-thing}occupant id=...>` ?

Suppose you could have @id, @nick, @jid depending on what you have accessible.

If you have occupant-id then client-side or account-side tracking could work too. Without, while online+joined, rename tracking could work.

Telling the MUC lets you do things like vote-kick, which might be nice.

for any interested parties, there is currently a chat about '393 going on in xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join

Maybe we should move it here instead?

maybe

It is possible to add Issues section for https://github.com/xsf/memberbot?

Thanks in advance

Zash: I wonder if people should be motivated to mention others full IDs in public chats

at least that should be parsed to a nick only

emus, sure, that's a client thing to do. Users don't have to see that

yes, just saying

blocking in MUC should not be called blocking

it should be called, ignoring

because you cant prevent that someone joins the room with "blocking"

and you always cant prevent that he sees and reads your messages

all you do is ignore the contact

blocking/ignoring in a room is always messy (and will always be) anyway since you're losing context to other people's messaging. But I'm not sure there is much to do about this

Ignoring or blocking, in the MUC or elsewhere, it would be good if it worked with all your clients and couldn't so easily be circumvented by changing nickname or rejoining.

occupant-id / realjid. I don't think there's much more to it. Possibly handled directly by the muc

but not necessarily