larmaTrue, but that's also easy to find out by disco'ing the from jid of the mediated invite message
lovetoxi wonder if the server always puts in the real jid
ZashAnother thing: In the case of a public channel, there's no real need for the MUC to mediate the invite, so direct invite is simpler.
lovetoxbut yes this would work client side
larmaZash, yeah, might be true
lskdjf> larma: So in theory I think you're correct that we don't need 0249, but in practice we might still.
Zash right now, 0249 is in the compliance suite. and I think that's a too vague reason to keep it there... (just to remember for the next iteration of the compliance suites)
larmaZash, although honestly I mostly use invites in non-public rooms. If I invite people in a public room, I usually do this using a normal message with xmpp:-uri 😉
lovetoxbut why are you looking into this larma ? do you want to get rid of direct invites in your code?
Zashlarma: Heh, tho that touches on the whole stuffing semantics into <body> issue :/
larmalovetox, I'd like that longterm we focus on one type of invites instead of having two
larmawould also be fine to go with direct invite only (although that means more work for members-only MUCs)
ZashWhat does the current Compliance Suite author, Ge0rG, think?
lovetoxlarma, with direct invite only you can only invite people you know the real jid
larmalovetox, you mean with mediated invite only?
lovetoxno, can i send a direct invite as PM?
lovetoxi remeber i could invite people from a anonymous muc to another muc
Zashxmpp:-uri passes there too
lovetoxah no you cant
lovetoxdirect invite have to be type=normal i think
lovetoxthats why you can only reach real-jids
ZashDoesn't say that tho, just no type attr in the example
lovetox.. wait i have to look up my code
lovetoxthere was definitly something type=normal
lovetoxah no it was the mediated invite that MUST be type=normal
lovetoxagain i mixed things up
lovetoxso i could do a Invite PM to a anonymous room participant
lovetoxwith direct invite
lovetoxhm what about if you are not admin, and cant add people to the member list
lovetoxbut the muc lets you invite people
lovetoxthen you have to use mediated invites
larmalovetox, true, but also very weird setup if I can invite but not add to member list
lovetoxnot that weird, only because i want people to be able to invite other people
lovetoxdoes not mean i want them to change the MUC configuration
lovetoxalso members can never add to the member list
lovetoxso how are you making all people that join to admin?
lovetoxmanually on invite?
lovetoxbut i have no real eperience with members only rooms, how do whatsapp groups work?
Zashwith mediated invites the muc can make the invitee member when an existing member invites someone
lovetoxcan everybody invite everybody in a whatsapp group?
lovetoxyes Zash, but i need him to be admin
lovetoxi think we are thinking of only having direct invites
ZashWith mediated invites, the MUC can decide who's allowed to invite others
lovetoxif i have only direct invite, i need to add the member to the member list
lovetoxhence i need to be admin
ZashYes, that's a problem with direct invites.
lovetoxif i want that other people i invite, can also invite other people, again i have to make them admin
ZashDon't you need to be owner even?
lovetoxto make someone admin
lovetoxso i need to make everyone owner ..
lovetoxso we can just throw roles out of the window
ZashI'm not sure where you are going with this
lovetoxin a world without direct invite, if i want that people i invite can invite other people within a member only room
lovetoxi have to make all of them owner
lovetoxah *without mediated invite i meant
larmaHowever, mediated invites do not allow me as a recipient to verify the original sender
larmaSo mediated invites are crap, but the only thing we have for members-only-not-everyone-owner rooms
ZashSend both \o/
Zashlarma: I think there's been loose talk of having an invite token that you get from the MUC and send to someone, who uses it when joining.
ZashAnd suddenly there's 3 ways to send an invite! :D
ZashComedy comes in threes, or what's the saying
larmaCan we make a new XEP that allows members to add others to members list without sending an invite and without being admin? Then we can do send both as a fallback until all servers allow members to add other members...
jonas’do Editor Team members need to be XSF members?