NeustradamusThere is a solution about spam in MUC Rooms?
Example in the Conversations MUC Room?
moparisthebestNeustradamus: yes, the solution is for the admin of the room to ban them
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Neustradamusmoparisthebest: another solution ah ah
NeustradamusBecause it is not the first time
NeustradamusNow it is Gajim MUC Room!
pep.or mod_firewall and have fun :x
pep.(to do that automagically-ish)
pep.I wonder if it's possible actually to do that in MUC with mod_firewall
moparisthebestWhen the cat's away the mice will play
moparisthebestSame problem with mailing lists, forums, IRC channels etc etc
pep.yeah
moparisthebestIf you have a solution though Neustradamus please share
NeustradamusEjabberd MUC Room now!
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NeustradamusProsody MUC Room too!
pep.it's 4:40am CEST, not sure many people care in these rooms :/
moparisthebestThe point I was trying to make is I don't think there is a solution or someone would have already discovered it
moparisthebestYou can slap a little rate limiting on and they'll just use multiple accounts or adjust speed
pep.moparisthebest, they need to realize it first. then they'll come back with another solution indeed. as you're aware it's just a battle of resources
moparisthebestYep, game of cat and mouse
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MattJWe already have some controls in place in prosody@ (we've dealt with worse than this before now)
MattJYou may notice the number of spam messages in prosody@ is far fewer than e.g. conversations@ (where it highlighted each person)
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ralphmbangs gavel
ralphm0. Welcome
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ralphmWho do we have today?
pep.!
ralphmAlso hi
MattJo/
ralphmSorry for not sending an agenda. Will do better next week.
Guusis neck-deep into contract hell
Guussave me.
GuusI mean: hi.
pep.If there isn't more board members joining I guess we can hear your opinion on the CLA thing ralphm if you have one, to add to last week's
ralphmVirtual hugs, Guus.
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pep.Opinion / wisdom, if you have hints as to why :p
Guus(I have a full page of feedback written down. I'm at page 6 of a 33-page contract)
ralphmpep., sure
ralphm1. Minute taker
ralphmI'll take this.
pep.Thanks
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ralphm2. Contributor License Agreement on GitHub contributions.
ralphmI do agree (again) that we need these.
ralphmLike our XEP submission process explicitly mentions this, we similarly need to know what the position is of other contributions.
Guus'position' ?
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ralphmI know that there are opposing opinions on this topic (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8287), that consider this to be mostly cargo culting, but I think they are fine for what we want them for.
ralphmI mean making it explicit what the license of the contibuted work is, and what entity holds the corresponding rights.
Guusin that case: 'other' ?
Guus(isn't the providing of the XEP the contribution?)
ralphmother than XEPs
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GuusWe have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik.
Guusare you saying that we should have this in place for other contributions too?
ralphmI mean other than 'whole XEPs', i.e. the initial contribution.
GuusLike subsequent modification of the XEP?
Guusin any case, XEP-authoring-related contributions?
pep.Thanks for the link, didn't know it. As an aside I'm generally against CLAs, but it's just because I'm happy to deal with the consequences of having to contact people or rewrite code to change the license of a project (and that's the extent of my understanding of the legal stuff). (That also doesn't mean I'm opposing the CLA here)
ralphmI haven't really considered other contributions, but maybe.
ralphmGuus: yes, subsequent contributions.
GuusOk, that's how I understand the current CLA. Sorry for the noise.
pep.Guus, "We have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik." tbh this part wasn't entirely clear to me
pep.The xeps repo does contain a license file with the IPR policy in it
Guuspep. I ment to say that we currently do not ask for a CLA when you, for example, submit a PR to change our website
pep.Ah for the website no, but say the .. xep template
Guus(and I was wondering if that was something that ralphm was referring to, which we now have established he was not)
pep.That xslt transformation etc.
Guuslet's circle back to that if we need to
Guusbut focus on the XEP stuff first, as that is what we already have in place.
ralphmRight.
ralphmI don't think there's anything to change at this point.
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ralphmRegarding the rest of our repos, website, there's an open discussion item that we should pick up (not today)
GuusThis topic partly stems from a (mostly technical) desire to change _how_ we record the CLA.
pep.this ^
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ralphmI'm ok with a procedure like mentioned in Q2 in the trello item.
ralphmBut for now, if you do not want to do the clabot thing, you can send an e-mail.
ralphmOh, and I don't think the downside of retracting consent isn't there. I don't think you can do this retroactively, and if you no longer want to abide by the IPR, you can stop contributing.
pep.What do you mean? It's not possible to retract consent?
Severegrets being so late
ralphmYou either contribute according the IPR, or we don't accept the contribution.
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ralphmYou can't contribute according the IPR, and then later say: oops, haha.
GuusCan we conclude that a) CLAs for XEP contributions remain to be signed, and b) there's no need to immediately restore clabots functionality, if the editoring process moves away from GitHub - as long as the CLAs are supplied via the email route?
ralphmI think so
Guusjonas’ does that sufficiently resolve your issues?
Guusdoes that / would that
ralphmI'm happy to receive that answer asynchronously. Have to go into another meeting in a few minutes, so can't go over time.
Guus(he's probably not here)
jonas’.
Guus(he probably is)
jonas’thanks, good enough info for me
GuusDo we need to motion this?
GuusIt effectively isn't much of a change ot current policy?
GuusIt effectively isn't much of a change of the current policy?
ralphmI don't think so
ralphmSo moving on
ralphm3. AOB
MattJNone here
GuusNada
pep.Nope
ralphm4. Date of Next
ralphm+1W
ralphm5. Close
MattJwfm
ralphmThanks people!
pep.Thanks
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SeveThank you very much everyone
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jonas’Guus, having the current policy reconfirmed is what I was after, so thanks for that