XSF Discussion - 2020-06-25


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  33. Neustradamus There is a solution about spam in MUC Rooms? Example in the Conversations MUC Room?
  34. moparisthebest Neustradamus: yes, the solution is for the admin of the room to ban them
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  38. Neustradamus moparisthebest: another solution ah ah
  39. Neustradamus Because it is not the first time
  40. Neustradamus Now it is Gajim MUC Room!
  41. pep. or mod_firewall and have fun :x
  42. pep. (to do that automagically-ish)
  43. pep. I wonder if it's possible actually to do that in MUC with mod_firewall
  44. moparisthebest When the cat's away the mice will play
  45. moparisthebest Same problem with mailing lists, forums, IRC channels etc etc
  46. pep. yeah
  47. moparisthebest If you have a solution though Neustradamus please share
  48. Neustradamus Ejabberd MUC Room now!
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  50. Neustradamus Prosody MUC Room too!
  51. pep. it's 4:40am CEST, not sure many people care in these rooms :/
  52. moparisthebest The point I was trying to make is I don't think there is a solution or someone would have already discovered it
  53. moparisthebest You can slap a little rate limiting on and they'll just use multiple accounts or adjust speed
  54. pep. moparisthebest, they need to realize it first. then they'll come back with another solution indeed. as you're aware it's just a battle of resources
  55. moparisthebest Yep, game of cat and mouse
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  107. MattJ We already have some controls in place in prosody@ (we've dealt with worse than this before now)
  108. MattJ You may notice the number of spam messages in prosody@ is far fewer than e.g. conversations@ (where it highlighted each person)
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  369. ralphm bangs gavel
  370. ralphm 0. Welcome
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  372. ralphm Who do we have today?
  373. pep. !
  374. ralphm Also hi
  375. MattJ o/
  376. ralphm Sorry for not sending an agenda. Will do better next week.
  377. Guus is neck-deep into contract hell
  378. Guus save me.
  379. Guus I mean: hi.
  380. pep. If there isn't more board members joining I guess we can hear your opinion on the CLA thing ralphm if you have one, to add to last week's
  381. ralphm Virtual hugs, Guus.
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  384. pep. Opinion / wisdom, if you have hints as to why :p
  385. Guus (I have a full page of feedback written down. I'm at page 6 of a 33-page contract)
  386. ralphm pep., sure
  387. ralphm 1. Minute taker
  388. ralphm I'll take this.
  389. pep. Thanks
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  391. ralphm 2. Contributor License Agreement on GitHub contributions.
  392. ralphm I do agree (again) that we need these.
  393. ralphm Like our XEP submission process explicitly mentions this, we similarly need to know what the position is of other contributions.
  394. Guus 'position' ?
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  397. ralphm I know that there are opposing opinions on this topic (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8287), that consider this to be mostly cargo culting, but I think they are fine for what we want them for.
  398. ralphm I mean making it explicit what the license of the contibuted work is, and what entity holds the corresponding rights.
  399. Guus in that case: 'other' ?
  400. Guus (isn't the providing of the XEP the contribution?)
  401. ralphm other than XEPs
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  404. Guus We have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik.
  405. Guus are you saying that we should have this in place for other contributions too?
  406. ralphm I mean other than 'whole XEPs', i.e. the initial contribution.
  407. Guus Like subsequent modification of the XEP?
  408. Guus in any case, XEP-authoring-related contributions?
  409. pep. Thanks for the link, didn't know it. As an aside I'm generally against CLAs, but it's just because I'm happy to deal with the consequences of having to contact people or rewrite code to change the license of a project (and that's the extent of my understanding of the legal stuff). (That also doesn't mean I'm opposing the CLA here)
  410. ralphm I haven't really considered other contributions, but maybe.
  411. ralphm Guus: yes, subsequent contributions.
  412. Guus Ok, that's how I understand the current CLA. Sorry for the noise.
  413. pep. Guus, "We have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik." tbh this part wasn't entirely clear to me
  414. pep. The xeps repo does contain a license file with the IPR policy in it
  415. Guus pep. I ment to say that we currently do not ask for a CLA when you, for example, submit a PR to change our website
  416. pep. Ah for the website no, but say the .. xep template
  417. Guus (and I was wondering if that was something that ralphm was referring to, which we now have established he was not)
  418. pep. That xslt transformation etc.
  419. Guus let's circle back to that if we need to
  420. Guus but focus on the XEP stuff first, as that is what we already have in place.
  421. ralphm Right.
  422. ralphm I don't think there's anything to change at this point.
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  424. ralphm Regarding the rest of our repos, website, there's an open discussion item that we should pick up (not today)
  425. Guus This topic partly stems from a (mostly technical) desire to change _how_ we record the CLA.
  426. pep. this ^
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  428. ralphm I'm ok with a procedure like mentioned in Q2 in the trello item.
  429. ralphm But for now, if you do not want to do the clabot thing, you can send an e-mail.
  430. ralphm Oh, and I don't think the downside of retracting consent isn't there. I don't think you can do this retroactively, and if you no longer want to abide by the IPR, you can stop contributing.
  431. pep. What do you mean? It's not possible to retract consent?
  432. Seve regrets being so late
  433. ralphm You either contribute according the IPR, or we don't accept the contribution.
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  435. ralphm You can't contribute according the IPR, and then later say: oops, haha.
  436. Guus Can we conclude that a) CLAs for XEP contributions remain to be signed, and b) there's no need to immediately restore clabots functionality, if the editoring process moves away from GitHub - as long as the CLAs are supplied via the email route?
  437. ralphm I think so
  438. Guus jonas’ does that sufficiently resolve your issues?
  439. Guus does that / would that
  440. ralphm I'm happy to receive that answer asynchronously. Have to go into another meeting in a few minutes, so can't go over time.
  441. Guus (he's probably not here)
  442. jonas’ .
  443. Guus (he probably is)
  444. jonas’ thanks, good enough info for me
  445. Guus Do we need to motion this?
  446. Guus It effectively isn't much of a change ot current policy?
  447. Guus It effectively isn't much of a change of the current policy?
  448. ralphm I don't think so
  449. ralphm So moving on
  450. ralphm 3. AOB
  451. MattJ None here
  452. Guus Nada
  453. pep. Nope
  454. ralphm 4. Date of Next
  455. ralphm +1W
  456. ralphm 5. Close
  457. MattJ wfm
  458. ralphm Thanks people!
  459. pep. Thanks
  460. ralphm bangs gavel
  461. Seve Thank you very much everyone
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  466. jonas’ Guus, having the current policy reconfirmed is what I was after, so thanks for that
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