XSF Discussion - 2020-06-25

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02:21:37 Neustradamus There is a solution about spam in MUC Rooms? Example in the Conversations MUC Room?
02:23:46 moparisthebest Neustradamus: yes, the solution is for the admin of the room to ban them
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02:31:27 Neustradamus moparisthebest: another solution ah ah
02:31:40 Neustradamus Because it is not the first time
02:32:03 Neustradamus Now it is Gajim MUC Room!
02:32:17 pep. or mod_firewall and have fun :x
02:32:44 pep. (to do that automagically-ish)
02:33:08 pep. I wonder if it's possible actually to do that in MUC with mod_firewall
02:33:32 moparisthebest When the cat's away the mice will play
02:34:02 moparisthebest Same problem with mailing lists, forums, IRC channels etc etc
02:34:10 pep. yeah
02:34:21 moparisthebest If you have a solution though Neustradamus please share
02:35:24 Neustradamus Ejabberd MUC Room now!
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02:39:29 Neustradamus Prosody MUC Room too!
02:40:11 pep. it's 4:40am CEST, not sure many people care in these rooms :/
02:41:04 moparisthebest The point I was trying to make is I don't think there is a solution or someone would have already discovered it
02:41:47 moparisthebest You can slap a little rate limiting on and they'll just use multiple accounts or adjust speed
02:43:37 pep. moparisthebest, they need to realize it first. then they'll come back with another solution indeed. as you're aware it's just a battle of resources
02:44:20 moparisthebest Yep, game of cat and mouse
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05:18:49 MattJ We already have some controls in place in prosody@ (we've dealt with worse than this before now)
05:19:23 MattJ You may notice the number of spam messages in prosody@ is far fewer than e.g. conversations@ (where it highlighted each person)
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13:30:25 ralphm bangs gavel
13:30:28 ralphm 0. Welcome
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13:30:33 ralphm Who do we have today?
13:30:35 pep. !
13:30:36 ralphm Also hi
13:30:39 MattJ o/
13:31:28 ralphm Sorry for not sending an agenda. Will do better next week.
13:31:39 Guus is neck-deep into contract hell
13:31:41 Guus save me.
13:31:48 Guus I mean: hi.
13:31:59 pep. If there isn't more board members joining I guess we can hear your opinion on the CLA thing ralphm if you have one, to add to last week's
13:32:01 ralphm Virtual hugs, Guus.
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13:32:44 pep. Opinion / wisdom, if you have hints as to why :p
13:32:46 Guus (I have a full page of feedback written down. I'm at page 6 of a 33-page contract)
13:34:28 ralphm pep., sure
13:34:38 ralphm 1. Minute taker
13:35:13 ralphm I'll take this.
13:35:24 pep. Thanks
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13:35:27 ralphm 2. Contributor License Agreement on GitHub contributions.
13:35:43 ralphm I do agree (again) that we need these.
13:36:34 ralphm Like our XEP submission process explicitly mentions this, we similarly need to know what the position is of other contributions.
13:36:51 Guus 'position' ?
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13:37:52 ralphm I know that there are opposing opinions on this topic (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8287), that consider this to be mostly cargo culting, but I think they are fine for what we want them for.
13:39:10 ralphm I mean making it explicit what the license of the contibuted work is, and what entity holds the corresponding rights.
13:40:02 Guus in that case: 'other' ?
13:40:13 Guus (isn't the providing of the XEP the contribution?)
13:40:14 ralphm other than XEPs
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13:40:45 Guus We have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik.
13:41:00 Guus are you saying that we should have this in place for other contributions too?
13:41:08 ralphm I mean other than 'whole XEPs', i.e. the initial contribution.
13:41:32 Guus Like subsequent modification of the XEP?
13:41:50 Guus in any case, XEP-authoring-related contributions?
13:41:53 pep. Thanks for the link, didn't know it. As an aside I'm generally against CLAs, but it's just because I'm happy to deal with the consequences of having to contact people or rewrite code to change the license of a project (and that's the extent of my understanding of the legal stuff). (That also doesn't mean I'm opposing the CLA here)
13:41:53 ralphm I haven't really considered other contributions, but maybe.
13:42:10 ralphm Guus: yes, subsequent contributions.
13:42:29 Guus Ok, that's how I understand the current CLA. Sorry for the noise.
13:42:32 pep. Guus, "We have CLA in place only for contributing of XEPs, afaik." tbh this part wasn't entirely clear to me
13:42:46 pep. The xeps repo does contain a license file with the IPR policy in it
13:42:59 Guus pep. I ment to say that we currently do not ask for a CLA when you, for example, submit a PR to change our website
13:43:15 pep. Ah for the website no, but say the .. xep template
13:43:18 Guus (and I was wondering if that was something that ralphm was referring to, which we now have established he was not)
13:43:21 pep. That xslt transformation etc.
13:43:42 Guus let's circle back to that if we need to
13:43:54 Guus but focus on the XEP stuff first, as that is what we already have in place.
13:43:57 ralphm Right.
13:44:08 ralphm I don't think there's anything to change at this point.
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13:45:39 ralphm Regarding the rest of our repos, website, there's an open discussion item that we should pick up (not today)
13:45:55 Guus This topic partly stems from a (mostly technical) desire to change _how_ we record the CLA.
13:46:17 pep. this ^
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13:48:31 ralphm I'm ok with a procedure like mentioned in Q2 in the trello item.
13:48:56 ralphm But for now, if you do not want to do the clabot thing, you can send an e-mail.
13:50:12 ralphm Oh, and I don't think the downside of retracting consent isn't there. I don't think you can do this retroactively, and if you no longer want to abide by the IPR, you can stop contributing.
13:50:45 pep. What do you mean? It's not possible to retract consent?
13:50:58 Seve regrets being so late
13:51:07 ralphm You either contribute according the IPR, or we don't accept the contribution.
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13:51:42 ralphm You can't contribute according the IPR, and then later say: oops, haha.
13:51:57 Guus Can we conclude that a) CLAs for XEP contributions remain to be signed, and b) there's no need to immediately restore clabots functionality, if the editoring process moves away from GitHub - as long as the CLAs are supplied via the email route?
13:52:17 ralphm I think so
13:52:43 Guus jonas’ does that sufficiently resolve your issues?
13:52:52 Guus does that / would that
13:53:42 ralphm I'm happy to receive that answer asynchronously. Have to go into another meeting in a few minutes, so can't go over time.
13:53:43 Guus (he's probably not here)
13:53:47 jonas’ .
13:53:52 Guus (he probably is)
13:54:00 jonas’ thanks, good enough info for me
13:54:17 Guus Do we need to motion this?
13:54:29 Guus It effectively isn't much of a change ot current policy?
13:54:43 Guus It effectively isn't much of a change of the current policy?
13:54:58 ralphm I don't think so
13:55:03 ralphm So moving on
13:55:06 ralphm 3. AOB
13:55:11 MattJ None here
13:55:16 Guus Nada
13:55:19 pep. Nope
13:55:21 ralphm 4. Date of Next
13:55:22 ralphm +1W
13:55:26 ralphm 5. Close
13:55:27 MattJ wfm
13:55:29 ralphm Thanks people!
13:55:34 pep. Thanks
13:55:34 ralphm bangs gavel
13:55:40 Seve Thank you very much everyone
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14:03:57 jonas’ Guus, having the current policy reconfirmed is what I was after, so thanks for that
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