XSF Discussion - 2020-07-08


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  91. nyco https://cnnumerique.fr/files/uploads/2020/2020.07.06.ra_cnnum_concurrence_web.pdf
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  146. edhelas i'm looking for a SIP (chat/messaging) to XMPP transport, do you know any ?
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  149. flow edhelas, eta build a asterisk to xmpp bot and presented it at the last berlin meetup, not sure if that is what you looking for
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  151. flow but a VoIP component (not a bot), that is discoverable by clients and bridges to the PTSN sounds very interesting
  152. flow then you could "dial" via your xmpp client
  153. pep. Jitsi-meet provides numbers to call to right? How do they do it
  154. flow edhelas, but you question reads like you only look for a SIP transport that is able to gateway textual content
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  157. edhelas yes, no A/V, basically forwarding text messages
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  161. Guus I think Openfire's Asterisk plugin did this, but it's outdated and incompatible with modern versions of both Openfire and Asterisk
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  164. Guus XEP-0048 declares it uses XEP-0223 in its examples. It uses a 'storage' element to wrap a 'conference' bookmark, when used inside of a PEP item. XEP-0223 does not use that 'storage' element (it adds the 'conference' directly to the 'item').
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  166. jonas’ Guus, note that '223 is informational and does not define wire format
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  168. jonas’ '48 is normative regarding bookmarks, in '223 it is really only an example on how private data in pep may be used
  169. Guus sure, but '48 explicitly states it uses '223 in its examples
  170. Guus > It is RECOMMENDED to use Publish-Subscribe (XEP-0060) [4] for data storage, specifically through the use of personal data nodes hosted at the user's virtual publish-subscribe service as described in Best Practices for Persistent Storage of Private Data via Publish-Subscribe (XEP-0223) [5] and illustrated in the following sections.
  171. jonas’ Guus, which means that you should very much configure the node correctly
  172. jonas’ '223 does not define wire format, only node configuration recommendations
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  174. jonas’ which is what '48 uses
  175. jonas’ '48 does not use any wire format from '223, because '223 does not define wire format :)
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  177. Guus I know examples are not normative, but how is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html#storage-pubsub-upload not using a wire format?
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  179. Guus isn't that example just plain wrong, if just above the XEP states that it uses `223 for illustration purposes?
  180. Guus at the very least, it's wildly confusing.
  181. jonas’ what
  182. jonas’ '223 has zero to do with bookmarks
  183. jonas’ the example is in '48 and it defines wire format (with the storage element and everything)
  184. jonas’ but that has nothing to do with '223
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  186. jonas’ the only thing '48 uses from '223 is the node config and the fact that pep is used
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  188. Guus Okay, in that case it's wildly confusing that `223 uses in its examples bookmarks in a different way than `48 does: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0223.html#example-1
  189. jonas’ maybe '223 should be clearer that the example is made up and has nothing to do with '48
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  192. jonas’ the '223 example bases on the old '48 I think
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  194. jonas’ Guus, patches welcome I suppose :)
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  200. Guus So, the intended behavior is to have a single bookmark per pep item, wrapped in a 'storage' element?
  201. jonas’ in '48, yes
  202. jonas’ Guus, XEP-0402 does it differently
  203. jonas’ (and better)
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  207. Guus Agreed. '48 should reference '402 - I completely missed it.
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  210. jonas’ Guus, indeed, now that '402 is Draft, we should consider deprecating '48
  211. jonas’ and listing '402 as replacement
  212. jonas’ Guus, care to file a PR? I don’t have my credentials with me right now, and it’d be good to have a PR to track that
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  214. jonas’ or at least drop me an email to the address I use on-list so that I can add it to next weeks council agenda (this week may be a bit short notice)
  215. jonas’ or at least drop me an email to the address I use on-list so that I can add it to next weeks council agenda (today may be a bit short notice)
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  220. Guus I've sent off a quick email to you
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  223. jonas’ thanks
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  396. lovetox yeah deprecating 48 if no server fully support 402 is maybe a bit early
  397. pep. it's like deprecating 0071 when no other clients supported anything else :-°
  398. pep. runs
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  401. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life I have a question or more
  402. Zash No audio messages please.
  403. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life https://upload.yax.im/upload/Io2b3Q7fzA_bz521/20200708_200105169.m4a
  404. moparisthebest lol
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  406. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life It's like having a feature you are not allowed to use.
  407. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life *Sigh*
  408. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life Anyone having knowlegde on the topic who wanne do a call with me on rooms and servers and such?
  409. jonas’ pep., no, '71 was obsoleted ;)
  410. jonas’ that’s worse and different
  411. pep. worse! indeed
  412. jonas’ nevermind, it was deprecated
  413. jonas’ but I think the initial move was to obsolete it and that was avoided
  414. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life https://upload.yax.im/upload/NXOANOMP3RKQ4zPV/20200708_200503533.m4a
  415. jonas’ I think deprecation when a replacement exists is ok
  416. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life Okay so I think I made a room
  417. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life jesusisgodalmighty.life@chat.yax.im
  418. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life So is it under my control now?
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  421. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life Hmmm should shorten the url i guess or room name
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  423. moparisthebest to be honest if you have questions you'd be better off to just ask them in the appropriate rooms via text, since that's how most of us communicate
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  426. Zash What about deaf users? Or just listening to music? Or using a device without speakers?
  427. moparisthebest or sitting next to kids and therefore being unwilling to broadcast unknown sounds out loud...
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  486. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life Why does F-Droid have a tracker?
  487. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life https://upload.yax.im/upload/0Ix2VlGjrIVyEHov/Screenshot_2020-07-08-23-47-49.png
  488. Zash This seems a bit off-topic for the XMPP Standards Foundation?
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