XSF Discussion - 2020-07-09

  1. edhelas


  2. emus

    🙂 bring your Swords & Shields to the comment section.

  3. emus

    Now I thought about releasing the Newsletter more often to this community. So, if you have some mythbusting articles in the future (or anything else you need to tell the XMPP world) everyone is invited to contribute/comment to the Newsletter. See the draft PR on Github (XSF/xmpp.org)

  4. pep.

    Something just got in the way for me to attend the board meeting in time.

  5. Guus


  6. pep.

    Not sure I'll make it at all, maybe around :55 and on my phone

  7. Guus


  8. Guus

    who do we have?

  9. Seve says hi

  10. Guus

    ralphm MattJ pep. ?

  11. Guus

    pep. did warn that he might miss today's meeting.

  12. Guus

    Seems to be just you and me Seve. Trello does not seem to have anything pressing - and we don't have quorum anyway. Postpone?

  13. Seve

    Yes, no problem :)

  14. Guus

    ok, cheers

  15. Guus runs off into the night

  16. Seve wishes a good day

  17. MattJ

    Hey, sorry, got held up by children

  18. MattJ

    I'm fine with skipping if we don't have anything pressing

  19. Seve

    Alright! :)

  20. Guus

    Did you know the children that held you up?

  21. MattJ

    Yes, it's not the first time this has happened

  22. Guus

    We have support groups to help you deal with the emotional damage that this can cause.

  23. jonas’


  24. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    What are you guys thought on Signal?

  25. citizenzibb


  26. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life


  27. citizenzibb

    I'm trying to match your level of offtopic. In vain. You are #1 in this category.

  28. eevvoor

    citizenzibb‎ limes to infinity ...

  29. citizenzibb

    *shrug* and beyond

  30. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Well just wanted to know... Wondered

  31. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Hey you guys should alwaus allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server!

  32. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Hey you guys should always allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server!

  33. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Don't make it hard for the user and don't limit them like so many other platforms.

  34. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    By the user for the user to the children.

  35. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, direct sending of files *is* always allowed

  36. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: yea but apparently there seems to be conflict between XMPP clients.

  37. wurstsalat

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life: last time you tried to start the discussion around direct file transfers you got many answers. why again?

  38. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    wurstsalat: still not solved and have a short memory on things

  39. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, some clients prefer HTTP upload if it's available 1) pick a different client 2) change that client to do what YOU want

  40. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    To many issues in this world and my brain is overburden.

  41. wurstsalat

    read the logs then https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/

  42. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Just saying we want it to be easy for newbies coming to the platform working without to/much hazzle

  43. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Not needing to do too much under the hood.

  44. eta


  45. eta

    it does

  46. eta

    you use HTTP upload

  47. eta

    it works

  48. moparisthebest

    right, and that tends to be why most clients prefer http upload, because that's easy and what works without hassle

  49. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Easy for newbies and powerful for the hardcore.

  50. moparisthebest

    because direct, well then you have to explain what happens when people are logged in with more than 1 client, and a bunch more things

  51. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Http upload has limits on files.

  52. moparisthebest

    doesn't have to

  53. moparisthebest

    that's a server decision

  54. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: no but how/many servers to endless limit without bound

  55. moparisthebest

    probably not many

  56. moparisthebest

    but feel free to host your own

  57. Zash

    If you run your own you can decide on limits and retention policies

  58. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    You guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how/things worked in the good old days.

  59. eta


  60. eta

    no, in fact, the general aim is to make it easier

  61. moparisthebest


  62. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    You guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how things worked in the good old days.

  63. moparisthebest

    and it is

  64. moparisthebest

    unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing

  65. moparisthebest

    99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures

  66. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    eta: yea you think but it is stupid to go away from a firm standard which has been tested for years and years and go into server nonsense if people just wanna send a file directly to another person.

  67. eta

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, ah yes, jingle, that, uh, reliable, well-implemented standard

  68. eta

    yes *nod*

  69. moparisthebest

    say you wanted to send a file to me directly DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , which client would you pick, I'm connected from multiple

  70. moparisthebest

    do you know which one I'm on right now?

  71. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    > moparisthebest wrote: > unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing > 99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures And why not, why would it not be fixed for this as well like the old days why put limits on users on such things.

  72. Zash

    What firm standard was that?

  73. eta

    it's not as if you need, uh

  74. eta

    whole long explainer guides like https://gist.github.com/legastero/fa80e2366c448fd6e141 just to get a good idea

  75. moparisthebest

    hopefully that illustrates why what you imagine isn't a good idea

  76. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    eta: always issues with you guys trying to deflect the sane subjecr being put on the table.

  77. eta

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, oh I didn't know "deflecting the subject" meant "not saying what you want to hear"

  78. eta

    I'll be sure to update that for next time

  79. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Zash: ICQ, Messenger, IRC, Skype and others no one would have used them if they had not the direct ability to send files directly to another.

  80. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    No limit on file size

  81. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life


  82. moparisthebest

    LOL someone has clearly never attempted to send a file via IRC ^

  83. eta

    have you heard of this marvelous invention called a mobile phone

  84. eta

    they don't tend to interact well with this direct p2p transfer stuff

  85. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    eta: listen did i say anything of Jingle, Jitsi i guess you mean or something. No i never mentioned it at all.

  86. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    eta: well fix it!

  87. eta is finding this quite entertaining

  88. moparisthebest

    someone did fix it lol, with http upload, it works great for everyone except apparantly you?

  89. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: lets just forget the other standards which I've used in my youth and focus on one.

  90. moparisthebest

    apparantly you have so why not

  91. eta

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, you're attempting to argue for direct file transfer, but you don't actually know how it works at all?

  92. moparisthebest

    no one has ever transferred a file using DCC on IRC and thought "wow that worked well"

  93. eta

    moparisthebest, except warez people :p

  94. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: no it is selling out to Satan as alway you prohgrammers seems to do it all the time ruining things more and more.

  95. eta

    Zash, I think this is getting offtopic now

  96. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, so become an evil programmer and do good instead? good luck

  97. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Direct transfer just make it work by standard and quit the excuses of fallen flat for the worldly powers to be.

  98. eta


  99. Zash

    Uh, I'd say something about NAT and firewalls, but I don't want to be part of this discussion.

  100. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Skype did it, Messenger did it and the rest. This is standard foundation not a secoundary feature.

  101. eta

    Zash, careful, you could get banished to Hell

  102. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Zash: listen if p2p torrent programs can do it you guys can do it.

  103. moparisthebest

    what do you think skype did exactly? I can guarantee it didn't transfer files directly :P

  104. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Just do some great programming and fix it.

  105. moparisthebest

    even better DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , YOU can do it! go for it, I believe in you!

  106. Daniel

    > still not solved and have a short memory on things Is it the drugs?

  107. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: oh give me a break - before microsuck bought it and all it was absolut perfect.

  108. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ that should get you started, we even have a different channel if you have questions

  109. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: No I can't do it I can complain!

  110. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Just make some kind of p2p sending feature and make it able to resume as well if one end breaks.

  111. eta

    this is called jingle

  112. moparisthebest

    I'll be awaiting your code + spec with bated breath DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

  113. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Like if the mobile loses battery or something a resume feature would be awesome.

  114. moparisthebest

    I'm especially excited to see how you handle multiple recieving devices

  115. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: well then make Jingle work and fixed in the clients :) I wanna see a resume button as well :)

  116. moparisthebest

    yep I can't wait until you do this, I'm very excited about it

  117. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: just let the first who gets it download it or both if the user want to. By the user for the user we wanna make the user have the choice and freedom to do what he want with it.

  118. eta

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, "talk is cheap, show us the code"

  119. moparisthebest

    forcing the sending client to upload it twice? hmm

  120. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Make 2 direct links if the oppesite user wanna download it for his mobile and computer directly from the one source.

  121. moparisthebest

    what if the sending client chooses not to upload it twice

  122. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: no but giving the user the choice.

  123. moparisthebest

    that's not very much freedom

  124. moparisthebest

    which user? sender or reciever? you only want 1 to have freedom? that doesn't sound very free

  125. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: listen you are just out to find excuses - just do it and fix it! :)

  126. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, but you already volunteered, like I said, I'm very excited to see your solution

  127. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: like it would be hard to make a user choice for that if you want.

  128. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Make it either accept one line or multiple i'm sure a programmer can do some kind of sane programming.

  129. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Excuses excuses here I am coming and presenting gold.

  130. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Think about it. I'm just here to help.

  131. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    I wanna see this platform grow

  132. citizenzibb

    Personally, I write all this code... Voluminously, and then I'm afraid the aliens will try to steal it so i squirrel it away in a super top secret password protected 7zip archive. Its so secure because even *i* don't know the password anymore

  133. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    As it seems to be the best foundation today by the user for the user.

  134. moparisthebest

    yep I can't wait to see the code you write that does this DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

  135. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    citizenzibb: aliens are demons but off topic.

  136. moparisthebest

    I mean I probably won't use it since http upload does everything I want, but I always like to see code that solves complicated problems

  137. citizenzibb

    Nuh, they just wanted to stop me from releasing the latest version of my OS, temple os.

  138. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Well I can't code my head is already strained to the maximum with solving heath issues and trying to wake people up tonthe truth.

  139. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    moparisthebest: it's not complicated it just needs to be fixed :)

  140. citizenzibb

    We already know that 2+2 equals 11. C'mon I'm waiting for the extra credit questions.

  141. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    A experienced programmer should be able to do it.

  142. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    An experienced programmer should be able to do it.

  143. citizenzibb

    Unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well. Why complicate things beyond their primary function.

  144. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Daniel: God is my Jugde - maybe the awesome Cinnamon oil ;)

  145. moparisthebest

    DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, what better way to wake people to the truth then to just show them the code, I believe in you

  146. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    citizenzibb: yea why leave a foundation feature just because everybody goes into nutty land for more control from the powers to be?

  147. citizenzibb

    He cannot complete with my magnum opus. Temple os is the only OS.

  148. eta is actually wearing a TempleOS hoodie right now

  149. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    citizenzibb: the poor Guy needed Jesus.

  150. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    The real version of Jesus.

  151. citizenzibb

    eta: i see you have been saved, brother.

  152. MattJ

    Ok folks, could we cool it in here? Way off topic

  153. citizenzibb

    I'm glad my work has brought you enlightenment

  154. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    In any case guys, thanks for the effort of XMPP. Just just missing some things here and there but absolutly a nice platform. So don't get me wrong.

  155. citizenzibb

    MattJ has spoken. All hail J.

  156. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    The problem is... I first/knew about it like some/month ago. Need more exposure on the net so more people will join. And more programmers and such.

  157. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Like never heard about and hoe could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for.

  158. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for.

  159. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind me of the good old days which I was looking for.

  160. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

    Anyway I guess thats all for me for now, take care and Jehovah be with ye guys :) later

  161. DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life