emus🙂 bring your Swords & Shields to the comment section.
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emusNow I thought about releasing the Newsletter more often to this community. So, if you have some mythbusting articles in the future (or anything else you need to tell the XMPP world) everyone is invited to contribute/comment to the Newsletter. See the draft PR on Github (XSF/xmpp.org)
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pep.Something just got in the way for me to attend the board meeting in time.
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pep.Not sure I'll make it at all, maybe around :55 and on my phone
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Guusboard-o'clock
Guuswho do we have?
Sevesays hi
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Guusralphm MattJ pep. ?
Guuspep. did warn that he might miss today's meeting.
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GuusSeems to be just you and me Seve. Trello does not seem to have anything pressing - and we don't have quorum anyway. Postpone?
SeveYes, no problem :)
Guusok, cheers
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Sevewishes a good day
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MattJHey, sorry, got held up by children
MattJI'm fine with skipping if we don't have anything pressing
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SeveAlright! :)
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GuusDid you know the children that held you up?
MattJYes, it's not the first time this has happened
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GuusWe have support groups to help you deal with the emotional damage that this can cause.
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jonas’parenting.stackexchange.com?
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeWhat are you guys thought on Signal?
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citizenzibbMiao+Miao=woof
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citizenzibbI'm trying to match your level of offtopic. In vain. You are #1 in this category.
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eevvoorcitizenzibb limes to infinity ...
citizenzibb*shrug* and beyond
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeWell just wanted to know... Wondered
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeHey you guys should alwaus allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server!✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeHey you guys should always allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server! ✏
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeDon't make it hard for the user and don't limit them like so many other platforms.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeBy the user for the user to the children.
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moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, direct sending of files *is* always allowed
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: yea but apparently there seems to be conflict between XMPP clients.
wurstsalatDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life: last time you tried to start the discussion around direct file transfers you got many answers. why again?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifewurstsalat: still not solved and have a short memory on things
moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, some clients prefer HTTP upload if it's available 1) pick a different client 2) change that client to do what YOU want
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeTo many issues in this world and my brain is overburden.
wurstsalatread the logs then https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeJust saying we want it to be easy for newbies coming to the platform working without to/much hazzle
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeNot needing to do too much under the hood.
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etawell
etait does
etayou use HTTP upload
etait works
moparisthebestright, and that tends to be why most clients prefer http upload, because that's easy and what works without hassle
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeEasy for newbies and powerful for the hardcore.
moparisthebestbecause direct, well then you have to explain what happens when people are logged in with more than 1 client, and a bunch more things
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeHttp upload has limits on files.
moparisthebestdoesn't have to
moparisthebestthat's a server decision
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: no but how/many servers to endless limit without bound
moparisthebestprobably not many
moparisthebestbut feel free to host your own
ZashIf you run your own you can decide on limits and retention policies
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeYou guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how/things worked in the good old days.✎
eta...
etano, in fact, the general aim is to make it easier
moparisthebestlol
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeYou guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how things worked in the good old days. ✏
moparisthebestand it is
moparisthebestunless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing
moparisthebest99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifeeta: yea you think but it is stupid to go away from a firm standard which has been tested for years and years and go into server nonsense if people just wanna send a file directly to another person.
moparisthebestsay you wanted to send a file to me directly DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , which client would you pick, I'm connected from multiple
moparisthebestdo you know which one I'm on right now?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life> moparisthebest wrote:
> unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing
> 99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures
And why not, why would it not be fixed for this as well like the old days why put limits on users on such things.
ZashWhat firm standard was that?
etait's not as if you need, uh
etawhole long explainer guides like https://gist.github.com/legastero/fa80e2366c448fd6e141 just to get a good idea
moparisthebesthopefully that illustrates why what you imagine isn't a good idea
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifeeta: always issues with you guys trying to deflect the sane subjecr being put on the table.
etaDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, oh I didn't know "deflecting the subject" meant "not saying what you want to hear"
etaI'll be sure to update that for next time
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeZash: ICQ, Messenger, IRC, Skype and others no one would have used them if they had not the direct ability to send files directly to another.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeNo limit on file size
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeNone.
moparisthebestLOL someone has clearly never attempted to send a file via IRC ^
etahave you heard of this marvelous invention called a mobile phone
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etathey don't tend to interact well with this direct p2p transfer stuff
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifeeta: listen did i say anything of Jingle, Jitsi i guess you mean or something. No i never mentioned it at all.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifeeta: well fix it!
etais finding this quite entertaining
moparisthebestsomeone did fix it lol, with http upload, it works great for everyone except apparantly you?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: lets just forget the other standards which I've used in my youth and focus on one.
moparisthebestapparantly you have so why not
etaDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, you're attempting to argue for direct file transfer, but you don't actually know how it works at all?
moparisthebestno one has ever transferred a file using DCC on IRC and thought "wow that worked well"
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etamoparisthebest, except warez people :p
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: no it is selling out to Satan as alway you prohgrammers seems to do it all the time ruining things more and more.
etaZash, I think this is getting offtopic now
moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, so become an evil programmer and do good instead? good luck
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeDirect transfer just make it work by standard and quit the excuses of fallen flat for the worldly powers to be.
etao_O
ZashUh, I'd say something about NAT and firewalls, but I don't want to be part of this discussion.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeSkype did it, Messenger did it and the rest. This is standard foundation not a secoundary feature.
etaZash, careful, you could get banished to Hell
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeZash: listen if p2p torrent programs can do it you guys can do it.
moparisthebestwhat do you think skype did exactly? I can guarantee it didn't transfer files directly :P
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeJust do some great programming and fix it.
moparisthebesteven better DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , YOU can do it! go for it, I believe in you!
Daniel> still not solved and have a short memory on things
Is it the drugs?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: oh give me a break - before microsuck bought it and all it was absolut perfect.
moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ that should get you started, we even have a different channel if you have questions
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: No I can't do it I can complain!
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeJust make some kind of p2p sending feature and make it able to resume as well if one end breaks.
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etathis is called jingle
moparisthebestI'll be awaiting your code + spec with bated breath DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeLike if the mobile loses battery or something a resume feature would be awesome.
moparisthebestI'm especially excited to see how you handle multiple recieving devices
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: well then make Jingle work and fixed in the clients :) I wanna see a resume button as well :)
moparisthebestyep I can't wait until you do this, I'm very excited about it
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: just let the first who gets it download it or both if the user want to. By the user for the user we wanna make the user have the choice and freedom to do what he want with it.
etaDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, "talk is cheap, show us the code"
moparisthebestforcing the sending client to upload it twice? hmm
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeMake 2 direct links if the oppesite user wanna download it for his mobile and computer directly from the one source.
moparisthebestwhat if the sending client chooses not to upload it twice
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: no but giving the user the choice.
moparisthebestthat's not very much freedom
moparisthebestwhich user? sender or reciever? you only want 1 to have freedom? that doesn't sound very free
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: listen you are just out to find excuses - just do it and fix it! :)
moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, but you already volunteered, like I said, I'm very excited to see your solution
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: like it would be hard to make a user choice for that if you want.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeMake it either accept one line or multiple i'm sure a programmer can do some kind of sane programming.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeExcuses excuses here I am coming and presenting gold.
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeThink about it. I'm just here to help.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeI wanna see this platform grow
citizenzibbPersonally, I write all this code... Voluminously, and then I'm afraid the aliens will try to steal it so i squirrel it away in a super top secret password protected 7zip archive. Its so secure because even *i* don't know the password anymore
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeAs it seems to be the best foundation today by the user for the user.
moparisthebestyep I can't wait to see the code you write that does this DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifecitizenzibb: aliens are demons but off topic.
moparisthebestI mean I probably won't use it since http upload does everything I want, but I always like to see code that solves complicated problems
citizenzibbNuh, they just wanted to stop me from releasing the latest version of my OS, temple os.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeWell I can't code my head is already strained to the maximum with solving heath issues and trying to wake people up tonthe truth.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifemoparisthebest: it's not complicated it just needs to be fixed :)
citizenzibbWe already know that 2+2 equals 11. C'mon I'm waiting for the extra credit questions.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeA experienced programmer should be able to do it.✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeAn experienced programmer should be able to do it. ✏
citizenzibbUnix philosophy is do one thing and do it well. Why complicate things beyond their primary function.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeDaniel: God is my Jugde - maybe the awesome Cinnamon oil ;)
moparisthebestDarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, what better way to wake people to the truth then to just show them the code, I believe in you
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifecitizenzibb: yea why leave a foundation feature just because everybody goes into nutty land for more control from the powers to be?
citizenzibbHe cannot complete with my magnum opus. Temple os is the only OS.
etais actually wearing a TempleOS hoodie right now
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Lifecitizenzibb: the poor Guy needed Jesus.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeThe real version of Jesus.
citizenzibbeta: i see you have been saved, brother.
MattJOk folks, could we cool it in here? Way off topic
citizenzibbI'm glad my work has brought you enlightenment
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeIn any case guys, thanks for the effort of XMPP. Just just missing some things here and there but absolutly a nice platform. So don't get me wrong.
citizenzibbMattJ has spoken. All hail J.
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeThe problem is... I first/knew about it like some/month ago. Need more exposure on the net so more people will join. And more programmers and such.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeLike never heard about and hoe could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for.✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeLike never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeLike never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind me of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.LifeAnyway I guess thats all for me for now, take care and Jehovah be with ye guys :) later
