🙂 bring your Swords & Shields to the comment section.
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Now I thought about releasing the Newsletter more often to this community. So, if you have some mythbusting articles in the future (or anything else you need to tell the XMPP world) everyone is invited to contribute/comment to the Newsletter. See the draft PR on Github (XSF/xmpp.org)
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pep.
Something just got in the way for me to attend the board meeting in time.
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Not sure I'll make it at all, maybe around :55 and on my phone
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board-o'clock
Guus
who do we have?
Sevesays hi
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ralphm MattJ pep. ?
Guus
pep. did warn that he might miss today's meeting.
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Seems to be just you and me Seve. Trello does not seem to have anything pressing - and we don't have quorum anyway. Postpone?
Seve
Yes, no problem :)
Guus
ok, cheers
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Sevewishes a good day
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Hey, sorry, got held up by children
MattJ
I'm fine with skipping if we don't have anything pressing
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Seve
Alright! :)
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Did you know the children that held you up?
MattJ
Yes, it's not the first time this has happened
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Guus
We have support groups to help you deal with the emotional damage that this can cause.
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jonas’
parenting.stackexchange.com?
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
What are you guys thought on Signal?
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citizenzibb
Miao+Miao=woof
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citizenzibb
I'm trying to match your level of offtopic. In vain. You are #1 in this category.
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citizenzibb‎ limes to infinity ...
citizenzibb
*shrug* and beyond
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Well just wanted to know... Wondered
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Hey you guys should alwaus allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server!✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Hey you guys should always allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server! ✏
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Don't make it hard for the user and don't limit them like so many other platforms.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
By the user for the user to the children.
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moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, direct sending of files *is* always allowed
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: yea but apparently there seems to be conflict between XMPP clients.
wurstsalat
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life: last time you tried to start the discussion around direct file transfers you got many answers. why again?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
wurstsalat: still not solved and have a short memory on things
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, some clients prefer HTTP upload if it's available 1) pick a different client 2) change that client to do what YOU want
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
To many issues in this world and my brain is overburden.
wurstsalat
read the logs then https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Just saying we want it to be easy for newbies coming to the platform working without to/much hazzle
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Not needing to do too much under the hood.
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eta
well
eta
it does
eta
you use HTTP upload
eta
it works
moparisthebest
right, and that tends to be why most clients prefer http upload, because that's easy and what works without hassle
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Easy for newbies and powerful for the hardcore.
moparisthebest
because direct, well then you have to explain what happens when people are logged in with more than 1 client, and a bunch more things
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Http upload has limits on files.
moparisthebest
doesn't have to
moparisthebest
that's a server decision
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: no but how/many servers to endless limit without bound
moparisthebest
probably not many
moparisthebest
but feel free to host your own
Zash
If you run your own you can decide on limits and retention policies
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
You guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how/things worked in the good old days.✎
eta
...
eta
no, in fact, the general aim is to make it easier
moparisthebest
lol
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
You guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how things worked in the good old days. ✏
moparisthebest
and it is
moparisthebest
unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing
moparisthebest
99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
eta: yea you think but it is stupid to go away from a firm standard which has been tested for years and years and go into server nonsense if people just wanna send a file directly to another person.
say you wanted to send a file to me directly DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , which client would you pick, I'm connected from multiple
moparisthebest
do you know which one I'm on right now?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
> moparisthebest wrote:
> unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing
> 99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures
And why not, why would it not be fixed for this as well like the old days why put limits on users on such things.
Zash
What firm standard was that?
eta
it's not as if you need, uh
eta
whole long explainer guides like https://gist.github.com/legastero/fa80e2366c448fd6e141 just to get a good idea
moparisthebest
hopefully that illustrates why what you imagine isn't a good idea
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
eta: always issues with you guys trying to deflect the sane subjecr being put on the table.
eta
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, oh I didn't know "deflecting the subject" meant "not saying what you want to hear"
eta
I'll be sure to update that for next time
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Zash: ICQ, Messenger, IRC, Skype and others no one would have used them if they had not the direct ability to send files directly to another.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
No limit on file size
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
None.
moparisthebest
LOL someone has clearly never attempted to send a file via IRC ^
eta
have you heard of this marvelous invention called a mobile phone
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they don't tend to interact well with this direct p2p transfer stuff
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eta: listen did i say anything of Jingle, Jitsi i guess you mean or something. No i never mentioned it at all.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
eta: well fix it!
etais finding this quite entertaining
moparisthebest
someone did fix it lol, with http upload, it works great for everyone except apparantly you?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: lets just forget the other standards which I've used in my youth and focus on one.
moparisthebest
apparantly you have so why not
eta
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, you're attempting to argue for direct file transfer, but you don't actually know how it works at all?
moparisthebest
no one has ever transferred a file using DCC on IRC and thought "wow that worked well"
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moparisthebest, except warez people :p
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: no it is selling out to Satan as alway you prohgrammers seems to do it all the time ruining things more and more.
eta
Zash, I think this is getting offtopic now
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, so become an evil programmer and do good instead? good luck
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Direct transfer just make it work by standard and quit the excuses of fallen flat for the worldly powers to be.
eta
o_O
Zash
Uh, I'd say something about NAT and firewalls, but I don't want to be part of this discussion.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Skype did it, Messenger did it and the rest. This is standard foundation not a secoundary feature.
eta
Zash, careful, you could get banished to Hell
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Zash: listen if p2p torrent programs can do it you guys can do it.
moparisthebest
what do you think skype did exactly? I can guarantee it didn't transfer files directly :P
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Just do some great programming and fix it.
moparisthebest
even better DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , YOU can do it! go for it, I believe in you!
Daniel
> still not solved and have a short memory on things
Is it the drugs?
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: oh give me a break - before microsuck bought it and all it was absolut perfect.
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ that should get you started, we even have a different channel if you have questions
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: No I can't do it I can complain!
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Just make some kind of p2p sending feature and make it able to resume as well if one end breaks.
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this is called jingle
moparisthebest
I'll be awaiting your code + spec with bated breath DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Like if the mobile loses battery or something a resume feature would be awesome.
moparisthebest
I'm especially excited to see how you handle multiple recieving devices
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: well then make Jingle work and fixed in the clients :) I wanna see a resume button as well :)
moparisthebest
yep I can't wait until you do this, I'm very excited about it
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: just let the first who gets it download it or both if the user want to. By the user for the user we wanna make the user have the choice and freedom to do what he want with it.
eta
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, "talk is cheap, show us the code"
moparisthebest
forcing the sending client to upload it twice? hmm
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Make 2 direct links if the oppesite user wanna download it for his mobile and computer directly from the one source.
moparisthebest
what if the sending client chooses not to upload it twice
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: no but giving the user the choice.
moparisthebest
that's not very much freedom
moparisthebest
which user? sender or reciever? you only want 1 to have freedom? that doesn't sound very free
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: listen you are just out to find excuses - just do it and fix it! :)
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, but you already volunteered, like I said, I'm very excited to see your solution
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: like it would be hard to make a user choice for that if you want.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Make it either accept one line or multiple i'm sure a programmer can do some kind of sane programming.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Excuses excuses here I am coming and presenting gold.
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DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Think about it. I'm just here to help.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
I wanna see this platform grow
citizenzibb
Personally, I write all this code... Voluminously, and then I'm afraid the aliens will try to steal it so i squirrel it away in a super top secret password protected 7zip archive. Its so secure because even *i* don't know the password anymore
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
As it seems to be the best foundation today by the user for the user.
moparisthebest
yep I can't wait to see the code you write that does this DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
citizenzibb: aliens are demons but off topic.
moparisthebest
I mean I probably won't use it since http upload does everything I want, but I always like to see code that solves complicated problems
citizenzibb
Nuh, they just wanted to stop me from releasing the latest version of my OS, temple os.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Well I can't code my head is already strained to the maximum with solving heath issues and trying to wake people up tonthe truth.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
moparisthebest: it's not complicated it just needs to be fixed :)
citizenzibb
We already know that 2+2 equals 11. C'mon I'm waiting for the extra credit questions.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
A experienced programmer should be able to do it.✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
An experienced programmer should be able to do it. ✏
citizenzibb
Unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well. Why complicate things beyond their primary function.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Daniel: God is my Jugde - maybe the awesome Cinnamon oil ;)
moparisthebest
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, what better way to wake people to the truth then to just show them the code, I believe in you
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
citizenzibb: yea why leave a foundation feature just because everybody goes into nutty land for more control from the powers to be?
citizenzibb
He cannot complete with my magnum opus. Temple os is the only OS.
etais actually wearing a TempleOS hoodie right now
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
citizenzibb: the poor Guy needed Jesus.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
The real version of Jesus.
citizenzibb
eta: i see you have been saved, brother.
MattJ
Ok folks, could we cool it in here? Way off topic
citizenzibb
I'm glad my work has brought you enlightenment
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
In any case guys, thanks for the effort of XMPP. Just just missing some things here and there but absolutly a nice platform. So don't get me wrong.
citizenzibb
MattJ has spoken. All hail J.
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The problem is... I first/knew about it like some/month ago. Need more exposure on the net so more people will join. And more programmers and such.
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Like never heard about and hoe could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for.✎
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏
DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind me of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏
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Anyway I guess thats all for me for now, take care and Jehovah be with ye guys :) later