XSF Discussion - 2020-07-09

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23775577

🙂 bring your Swords & Shields to the comment section.

Now I thought about releasing the Newsletter more often to this community. So, if you have some mythbusting articles in the future (or anything else you need to tell the XMPP world) everyone is invited to contribute/comment to the Newsletter. See the draft PR on Github (XSF/xmpp.org)

Something just got in the way for me to attend the board meeting in time.

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Not sure I'll make it at all, maybe around :55 and on my phone

board-o'clock

who do we have?

ralphm MattJ pep. ?

pep. did warn that he might miss today's meeting.

Seems to be just you and me Seve. Trello does not seem to have anything pressing - and we don't have quorum anyway. Postpone?

Yes, no problem :)

ok, cheers

Hey, sorry, got held up by children

I'm fine with skipping if we don't have anything pressing

Alright! :)

Did you know the children that held you up?

Yes, it's not the first time this has happened

We have support groups to help you deal with the emotional damage that this can cause.

parenting.stackexchange.com?

What are you guys thought on Signal?

Miao+Miao=woof

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I'm trying to match your level of offtopic. In vain. You are #1 in this category.

citizenzibb‎ limes to infinity ...

*shrug* and beyond

Well just wanted to know... Wondered

Hey you guys should always allow direct sending of a file in XMPP around the server! ✏

Don't make it hard for the user and don't limit them like so many other platforms.

By the user for the user to the children.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, direct sending of files *is* always allowed

moparisthebest: yea but apparently there seems to be conflict between XMPP clients.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life: last time you tried to start the discussion around direct file transfers you got many answers. why again?

wurstsalat: still not solved and have a short memory on things

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, some clients prefer HTTP upload if it's available 1) pick a different client 2) change that client to do what YOU want

To many issues in this world and my brain is overburden.

read the logs then https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/

Just saying we want it to be easy for newbies coming to the platform working without to/much hazzle

Not needing to do too much under the hood.

well

it does

you use HTTP upload

it works

right, and that tends to be why most clients prefer http upload, because that's easy and what works without hassle

Easy for newbies and powerful for the hardcore.

because direct, well then you have to explain what happens when people are logged in with more than 1 client, and a bunch more things

Http upload has limits on files.

doesn't have to

that's a server decision

moparisthebest: no but how/many servers to endless limit without bound

probably not many

but feel free to host your own

If you run your own you can decide on limits and retention policies

...

no, in fact, the general aim is to make it easier

lol

You guys are always making it harder then it has to be. Its not like rocket science it was how things worked in the good old days. ✏

and it is

unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing

99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures

eta: yea you think but it is stupid to go away from a firm standard which has been tested for years and years and go into server nonsense if people just wanna send a file directly to another person.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, ah yes, jingle, that, uh, reliable, well-implemented standard

yes *nod*

say you wanted to send a file to me directly DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , which client would you pick, I'm connected from multiple

do you know which one I'm on right now?

> moparisthebest wrote: > unless you are trying to send 10gb movies or something, in which case, xmpp isn't perfectly suited for such a thing > 99.9% of users will just use it to share a few mbs of pictures And why not, why would it not be fixed for this as well like the old days why put limits on users on such things.

What firm standard was that?

it's not as if you need, uh

whole long explainer guides like https://gist.github.com/legastero/fa80e2366c448fd6e141 just to get a good idea

hopefully that illustrates why what you imagine isn't a good idea

eta: always issues with you guys trying to deflect the sane subjecr being put on the table.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, oh I didn't know "deflecting the subject" meant "not saying what you want to hear"

I'll be sure to update that for next time

Zash: ICQ, Messenger, IRC, Skype and others no one would have used them if they had not the direct ability to send files directly to another.

No limit on file size

None.

LOL someone has clearly never attempted to send a file via IRC ^

have you heard of this marvelous invention called a mobile phone

they don't tend to interact well with this direct p2p transfer stuff

eta: listen did i say anything of Jingle, Jitsi i guess you mean or something. No i never mentioned it at all.

eta: well fix it!

someone did fix it lol, with http upload, it works great for everyone except apparantly you?

moparisthebest: lets just forget the other standards which I've used in my youth and focus on one.

apparantly you have so why not

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, you're attempting to argue for direct file transfer, but you don't actually know how it works at all?

no one has ever transferred a file using DCC on IRC and thought "wow that worked well"

moparisthebest, except warez people :p

moparisthebest: no it is selling out to Satan as alway you prohgrammers seems to do it all the time ruining things more and more.

Zash, I think this is getting offtopic now

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, so become an evil programmer and do good instead? good luck

Direct transfer just make it work by standard and quit the excuses of fallen flat for the worldly powers to be.

o_O

Uh, I'd say something about NAT and firewalls, but I don't want to be part of this discussion.

Skype did it, Messenger did it and the rest. This is standard foundation not a secoundary feature.

Zash, careful, you could get banished to Hell

Zash: listen if p2p torrent programs can do it you guys can do it.

what do you think skype did exactly? I can guarantee it didn't transfer files directly :P

Just do some great programming and fix it.

even better DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life , YOU can do it! go for it, I believe in you!

> still not solved and have a short memory on things Is it the drugs?

moparisthebest: oh give me a break - before microsuck bought it and all it was absolut perfect.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ that should get you started, we even have a different channel if you have questions

moparisthebest: No I can't do it I can complain!

Just make some kind of p2p sending feature and make it able to resume as well if one end breaks.

this is called jingle

I'll be awaiting your code + spec with bated breath DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

Like if the mobile loses battery or something a resume feature would be awesome.

I'm especially excited to see how you handle multiple recieving devices

moparisthebest: well then make Jingle work and fixed in the clients :) I wanna see a resume button as well :)

yep I can't wait until you do this, I'm very excited about it

moparisthebest: just let the first who gets it download it or both if the user want to. By the user for the user we wanna make the user have the choice and freedom to do what he want with it.

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, "talk is cheap, show us the code"

forcing the sending client to upload it twice? hmm

Make 2 direct links if the oppesite user wanna download it for his mobile and computer directly from the one source.

what if the sending client chooses not to upload it twice

moparisthebest: no but giving the user the choice.

that's not very much freedom

which user? sender or reciever? you only want 1 to have freedom? that doesn't sound very free

moparisthebest: listen you are just out to find excuses - just do it and fix it! :)

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, but you already volunteered, like I said, I'm very excited to see your solution

moparisthebest: like it would be hard to make a user choice for that if you want.

Make it either accept one line or multiple i'm sure a programmer can do some kind of sane programming.

Excuses excuses here I am coming and presenting gold.

Think about it. I'm just here to help.

I wanna see this platform grow

Personally, I write all this code... Voluminously, and then I'm afraid the aliens will try to steal it so i squirrel it away in a super top secret password protected 7zip archive. Its so secure because even *i* don't know the password anymore

As it seems to be the best foundation today by the user for the user.

yep I can't wait to see the code you write that does this DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life

citizenzibb: aliens are demons but off topic.

I mean I probably won't use it since http upload does everything I want, but I always like to see code that solves complicated problems

Nuh, they just wanted to stop me from releasing the latest version of my OS, temple os.

Well I can't code my head is already strained to the maximum with solving heath issues and trying to wake people up tonthe truth.

moparisthebest: it's not complicated it just needs to be fixed :)

We already know that 2+2 equals 11. C'mon I'm waiting for the extra credit questions.

An experienced programmer should be able to do it. ✏

Unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well. Why complicate things beyond their primary function.

Daniel: God is my Jugde - maybe the awesome Cinnamon oil ;)

DarkiJah - JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life, what better way to wake people to the truth then to just show them the code, I believe in you

citizenzibb: yea why leave a foundation feature just because everybody goes into nutty land for more control from the powers to be?

He cannot complete with my magnum opus. Temple os is the only OS.

citizenzibb: the poor Guy needed Jesus.

The real version of Jesus.

eta: i see you have been saved, brother.

Ok folks, could we cool it in here? Way off topic

I'm glad my work has brought you enlightenment

In any case guys, thanks for the effort of XMPP. Just just missing some things here and there but absolutly a nice platform. So don't get me wrong.

MattJ has spoken. All hail J.

The problem is... I first/knew about it like some/month ago. Need more exposure on the net so more people will join. And more programmers and such.

Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏

Like never heard about and how could that be.... It's so sad, it really remind me of the good old days which I was looking for. ✏

Anyway I guess thats all for me for now, take care and Jehovah be with ye guys :) later

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