XSF Discussion - 2020-07-28

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  197. edhelas For thoses that wants to try out, I've implemented a few days ago bookmarks:1 in Movim master
  198. edhelas You can directly try it out on the official pods
  199. emus edhelas: 👍
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  202. edhelas It also supports :0
  203. Daniel So now we just need a switch day?
  204. edhelas As you want :)
  205. edhelas I'm planning to release the 0.18 soon with this feature in
  206. Daniel edhelas: are you migrating bookmarks?
  207. Daniel Or will this make bookmarks incompatible with literally everything else out there?
  208. edhelas Nah
  209. edhelas Well
  210. edhelas I have a tool to migrate from the old system and push it to :1
  211. edhelas And i'm pulling from :0 and :1 and pushing to :1 on edit
  212. Daniel A tool? Does that run automatically?
  213. Daniel When and how often?
  214. edhelas No
  215. Holger This should really be done by servers I guess.
  216. edhelas Basically after I pull from :0 and :1, if the list is empty I invite the user to sync its old bookmarks
  217. edhelas There's a button for that
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  220. Holger Users switching browsers are used to importing bookmarks 🤪
  221. Daniel Luckily I haven't switched browsers since firebird 0.7
  222. Link Mauve edhelas, so that means a user using any client other than Movim will effectively lose their bookmarks in it?
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  225. edhelas Link Mauve no, because I don't clear the old storage:bookmarks ones
  226. edhelas Like Firefox is not clearing Chrome bookmarks when they are imported :p
  227. Link Mauve edhelas, so you’re only desynchronising?
  228. Link Mauve My current advice would be to keep using Private XML bookmarks until the server advertises bookmarks2 conversion.
  229. Daniel Fwiw Conversations also has code for bookmarks 2.0 - but it's currently not enabled because I don't want my users to loose sync
  230. edhelas okay
  231. Daniel Plus I think servers don't support the unlimited items feature yet
  232. Daniel Which is sort of required if you don't want to use magic numbers
  233. edhelas that was the goal of "multi-items" in 0060
  234. edhelas > The service supports the storage of multiple items per node. It requires the pubsub#max_items configuration item to be exposed to the user and allow sensible values (higher than one) to be set in Configure a Node.
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  237. Daniel I'm talking about the publish options max
  238. Daniel Which turns out server devs don't like
  239. Daniel Meaning we probably have to redo that
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  243. Zash I doubt we'll support *unlimited* items
  244. Daniel it's not specified as unlimited. but as server defined max
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  254. flow Daniel> Meaning we probably have to redo that What a pitty, I do like it. What would be the alternative? An additional (boolean?) field which tells the server to allow multiple items on that node?
  255. Link Mauve flow, the issue isn’t whether multiple items are allowed, it is that multiple implementations have a different value for their maximum amount of items, and short of hardcoding 255 or so (which might be too low for some applications) in all clients it was impossible to know the server’s maximum pubsub#max_items.
  256. Link Mauve It’s still impossible, but you can now request it since 0060 1.17.0.
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  259. flow Link Mauve, I know
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  261. flow If I am not mistaken we previously only had a field which set the max items for a node, and if you set it to a value >1, then you allowed the node to carry multiple items
  262. flow and this field was extended to allow besides the integers, also a string value, "unlimited" (or so), to denote that you want the pubsub service to retrain multiple items for that node
  263. flow but ppl where not happy, because we now have a value that can either be an integer or a string
  264. flow so my suggestion was to add another field 'multiple-items', which if set to 'true', signals the server that it should keep multiple items for that node, akin to the "unlimited" value for max-items
  265. flow and I was wondering if that's a good idea that would make people happy
  266. Link Mauve flow, it’s not 'unlimited', it’s 'max', and its meaning isn’t that the node can retain multiple items, it’s that the node will accept as many items as the server is configured to accept.
  267. Link Mauve (Limit which isn’t even queryable.)
  268. flow I know, hence I wrote "unlimited (or so)"
  269. Daniel Some people would probably prefer -1 instead of max
  270. flow Daniel, then the feature wouldn't be discoverable, or you would need to jump through an extra hoop to make it so, no?
  271. Daniel Max currently has a disco feature. So you'd need a new disco feature
  272. Daniel Or rename that feature essentially
  273. flow if it was a new field, we could re-use the existing mechanisms for pubsub feature discovery, I believe. not a big deal, but still
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  283. ikeameatballs hi
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  289. Guus 🇸🇪
  290. DarkiJah Guus: how did you do that?
  291. DarkiJah > Guus wrote: > 🇸🇪 Hmm just a picture? No code?
  292. Guus That's just an emoji.
  293. DarkiJah Well not sure how that works
  294. DarkiJah 🚩🇯🇵🇩🇪🇨🇳🇺🇸🇫🇷🇪🇸🇮🇹🇷🇺🇬🇧
  295. Guus Similar to things like these: 😁👍💕🍿🏆🥳
  296. DarkiJah Ahh well...
  297. DarkiJah Roger
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  300. DarkiJah Don't seem to have scandinavian flags myself
  301. DarkiJah Guus:
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  304. Guus 🏴‍☠️
  305. Guus If you can see them, you can probably copy paste them.
  306. Holger Just ask Guus whenever you need a flag.
  307. DarkiJah You have a Danish flag or a all white flag would be cool
  308. DarkiJah You have a Danish flag or an all white flag would be cool
  309. Guus I walked right into that one
  310. !XSF_Martin 🇸🇪🇸🇯🇩🇰🇫🇮
  311. !XSF_Martin How much more Scandinavia do you need?
  312. DarkiJah 🇩🇰
  313. DarkiJah !XSF_Martin: well does not seem to be part of my system.
  314. !XSF_Martin Old android maybe.
  315. DarkiJah 8
  316. !XSF_Martin 9 here
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  318. DarkiJah Ahh... Well it sounds like it is a vad idea to update on my old mobile... Although the update is yet be seen...
  319. DarkiJah Ahh... Well it sounds like it is a bad idea to update on my old mobile... Although the update is yet be seen...
  320. !XSF_Martin Android manor updates suck, but we should stop the offtopic here.
  321. DarkiJah !XSF_Martin: roger
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  326. DarkiJah One of the owners in this room seems to be a Roman Papist - just so you know. Catholics are Wolves in Sheep clothing who follows that AntiChrist 666. A pagan Satanic cult, the very masterpiece of Satan. They hate the truth and look to the Devil for guidence. They worship a dry cookie and call it God...
  327. Holger Let's get back to flags.
  328. DarkiJah Holger: Just noticed. Anyway back to research. :)
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  331. vanitasvitae https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/psychosis.htm
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  333. ikeameatballs 🇫🇮️
  334. DarkiJah moparisthebest: The truth does that to people - but the truth stays the truth.
  335. DarkiJah Ups that was not private.
  336. ikeameatballs im atheist so im neutral on this discussion
  337. Kev This isn't remotely topical, so stop please.
  338. DarkiJah ikeameatballs: okay... But most people tend to hang on to Evolution when they are atheists.
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  340. Kev As I said, please stop.
  341. DarkiJah moparisthebest: I don't fall for slick Catholic talk. The Pope the Devils front face in this worldand any Christian being part of that system should come out of it imediatly.
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  343. Kev Or ignore me.
  344. vanitasvitae Kev, thx
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  346. Daniel Trying to set up a new record of channels to get banned from?
  347. Daniel Trying to set a new record of channels to get banned from?
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  349. moparisthebest ah sorry I see he didn't understand how PMs worked, I was trying to talk some sense into him and he was just responding in here :/
  350. !XSF_Martin >AntiChrist 666. A pagan Satanic cult Where can I enroll?
  351. vanitasvitae moparisthebest, I fear that is wasted time
  352. moparisthebest yea I suspect so, it was worth a shot though
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  354. Kev I think *everyone* should drop it.
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  357. vanitasvitae yeah
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  366. jonas’ oh
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  392. jonas’ UPDATED: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)
  393. jonas’ congrats, MattJ
  394. jonas’ something went wrong though and the revision block points to the wrong date
  395. jonas’ I’ll get so much flak for that
  396. jonas’ ah well
  397. MattJ Uh oh, thanks!
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