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emus
Good day!
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emus: hi, I've let comments yesterday for the newsletter, I'm sorry I have not time to formulate it better, working day has started :-/. I may have some time in the evening if it's not too late.
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goffi: Yes I got the email. will review later. Thanks! Feel free to join our channel as well:
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goffi
basically it's about new theme, HTTP Upload in file sharing component (with ability to view/delete uploaded files), and photo album
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emus
xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
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emus: oh I've missed that there was a channel, cool
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goffi: one question, you commited to the August release, which is the "new" draft. what we will release on the 6th is the July version (another open PR #730)
was that intended?
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emus, no it's mistake, please move it to July (I was not sure if August was the month of the publication, or the month of the related things).
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goffi
I'm sorry can't do much more myself for now, annoying day full of meetings :(
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goffi: yes. you are right, this is confusing, and I think Im gonna change this. You see the schedule always in the first comment.
ok
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edhelas
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034368
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emus
> XMPP: Most clients are hard to use (or to teach others to use). Good servers are hard to find. Protocol standards are a mess. I couldn't find a real-world e2ee group chat implementation.
I personally dont wonder he comes to this impression
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!XSF_Martin
Don't know. You don't have to start with profanity or poezio. Pick conversations, dino and it's dead simple.
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emus
!XSF_Martin: How should he know about Dino or C?
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!XSF_Martin
How did he know about element? Somehow you have to search for a client. If he already knows xmpp is existing he'll probably should be able to find the clients.
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Zash
> Protocol standards are a mess
Bit closest to the topic of this channel. Hard to do anything about such a vague statement tho.
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!XSF_Martin
Maybe the old 'one huge doc' vs. 'cluttered world of xeps and no one implements all!'…
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Zash
The world is messy. Anything actually used in the real world will be a bit messy.
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Zash
Compliance suites and the Modern XMPP project are meant to help there. No idea if they found those.
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if I just type XMPP to Google, the only thing place right is Conversations from the app store suggestion. but more or less no other relevant clients
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Zash
So our well-paid marketing department is doing a terrible job
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https://jabbers.one:5281/upload/05r3s9-WM83YVB_M/IMG_20200803_114758.jpg
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Zash: 🤡
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emus
Ge0rG: but Bruno made it!
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Zash
So we all suck at SEO eh
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emus
Zash: is that a hard task to change?
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Zash
Not my department.
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emus
😣
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General question
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Zash
All these things that boil down to marketing just make me depressed. I want to write code that makes things better, not marketing / SEO.
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!XSF_Martin
Searching for "xmpp desktop" the second hit in my searx instance is https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html
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!XSF_Martin
But for newcomers this list might not be very helpful as there is no description of the clients. They might end up with pidgin or thunderbird…
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Zash: But no one will know really... and Im not saying we should go crazy on marketing, however at least have some basics and not leave it to a state where it actually does harm
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!XSF_Martin: i think so too
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Alex
reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
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Zash
!XSF_Martin: A nicer overview page would be nice to have
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Zash
Here's some inspiration: http://screenshots.debian.net/packages?search=xmpp&show=with
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emus
I wonder if it should be okay to also link to community information. If someone runs their own overview website, why not at least link to it?
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Sure, as long as people can keep from fighting over the ordering of the list of overview sites then
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Zash
But then you could just let search engines deal with that
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emus
Dunno, you can randomise the list I guess?
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Zash
Tho I guess that's a problem for when there's at least two of them 🙂
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jonas’
Link Mauve, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 !
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Zash: No idea, you brought the point up that people gonna fight^^
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Zash
Were you around for the drama about https://xmpp.org/getting-started/ ?
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emus
Guess not. Drama, yes I can imagine
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emus
I see the problem
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Zash
Not the greatest use of our limited resources
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emus
Basically you can get startet.
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edhelas
who is moderating list.jabber.at ?
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edhelas
i'm waiting for months for the approbation of my server :p
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edhelas
seems to be maintained by mathiasertl
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jonas’
that sounds familiar
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Zash
Maintaining these kinds of lists takes time too
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Ge0rG
somebody needs to create a new list, and then we will add it to xmpp.org
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jonas’
let’s ask 404.city, I heard they’ve got some interest in maintaining a list.
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Ge0rG
is there a list of the lists of xmpp servers, and how well they are maintained?
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jonas’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lists_of_XMPP_Servers
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Ge0rG
I tried to get onto the list that's hidden in the kaidan issue tracker, but failed :(
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emus
Ge0rG: I havent forgotten you, but just no time anymore, as I focused on the newsletter
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Ge0rG
emus: everything is good
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jonas’
speak only for yourself and your little world ;)
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Guus
> reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3:
> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
HOLGER! ☝️
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jonas’
Link Mauve, 👆
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edhelas
Tobias 👆
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Guus
👈 Guus
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moparisthebest
good one :D
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edhelas
moparisthebest 👌
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😁
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citizenzibb
Can I be a member?
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citizenzibb: yes!
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citizenzibb
Wow!
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Guus
Follow instructions on https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
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citizenzibb
Thanks! I will look into this.
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