XSF Discussion - 2020-08-03

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  93. emus

    Good day!

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  95. goffi

    emus: hi, I've let comments yesterday for the newsletter, I'm sorry I have not time to formulate it better, working day has started :-/. I may have some time in the evening if it's not too late.

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  97. emus

    goffi: Yes I got the email. will review later. Thanks! Feel free to join our channel as well:

  98. goffi

    basically it's about new theme, HTTP Upload in file sharing component (with ability to view/delete uploaded files), and photo album

  99. emus


  100. goffi

    emus: oh I've missed that there was a channel, cool

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  103. emus

    goffi: one question, you commited to the August release, which is the "new" draft. what we will release on the 6th is the July version (another open PR #730) was that intended?

  104. goffi

    emus, no it's mistake, please move it to July (I was not sure if August was the month of the publication, or the month of the related things).

  105. goffi

    I'm sorry can't do much more myself for now, annoying day full of meetings :(

  106. emus

    goffi: yes. you are right, this is confusing, and I think Im gonna change this. You see the schedule always in the first comment. ok

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  157. emus

    > XMPP: Most clients are hard to use (or to teach others to use). Good servers are hard to find. Protocol standards are a mess. I couldn't find a real-world e2ee group chat implementation. I personally dont wonder he comes to this impression

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  160. !XSF_Martin

    Don't know. You don't have to start with profanity or poezio. Pick conversations, dino and it's dead simple.

  161. emus

    !XSF_Martin: How should he know about Dino or C?

  162. !XSF_Martin

    How did he know about element? Somehow you have to search for a client. If he already knows xmpp is existing he'll probably should be able to find the clients.

  163. Zash

    > Protocol standards are a mess Bit closest to the topic of this channel. Hard to do anything about such a vague statement tho.

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  165. !XSF_Martin

    Maybe the old 'one huge doc' vs. 'cluttered world of xeps and no one implements all!'…

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  168. Zash

    The world is messy. Anything actually used in the real world will be a bit messy.

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  171. Zash

    Compliance suites and the Modern XMPP project are meant to help there. No idea if they found those.

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  176. emus

    if I just type XMPP to Google, the only thing place right is Conversations from the app store suggestion. but more or less no other relevant clients

  177. Zash

    So our well-paid marketing department is doing a terrible job

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  181. emus

    Zash: 🤡

  182. emus

    Ge0rG: but Bruno made it!

  183. Zash

    So we all suck at SEO eh

  184. emus

    Zash: is that a hard task to change?

  185. Zash

    Not my department.

  186. emus


  187. emus

    General question

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  190. Zash

    All these things that boil down to marketing just make me depressed. I want to write code that makes things better, not marketing / SEO.

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  192. !XSF_Martin

    Searching for "xmpp desktop" the second hit in my searx instance is https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html

  193. !XSF_Martin

    But for newcomers this list might not be very helpful as there is no description of the clients. They might end up with pidgin or thunderbird…

  194. emus

    Zash: But no one will know really... and Im not saying we should go crazy on marketing, however at least have some basics and not leave it to a state where it actually does harm

  195. emus

    !XSF_Martin: i think so too

  196. Alex

    reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020

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  199. Zash

    !XSF_Martin: A nicer overview page would be nice to have

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  223. Zash

    Here's some inspiration: http://screenshots.debian.net/packages?search=xmpp&show=with

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  227. emus

    I wonder if it should be okay to also link to community information. If someone runs their own overview website, why not at least link to it?

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  230. Zash

    Sure, as long as people can keep from fighting over the ordering of the list of overview sites then

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  232. Zash

    But then you could just let search engines deal with that

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  234. emus

    Dunno, you can randomise the list I guess?

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  237. Zash

    Tho I guess that's a problem for when there's at least two of them 🙂

  238. jonas’

    Link Mauve, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 !

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  240. emus

    Zash: No idea, you brought the point up that people gonna fight^^

  241. Zash

    Were you around for the drama about https://xmpp.org/getting-started/ ?

  242. emus

    Guess not. Drama, yes I can imagine

  243. emus

    I see the problem

  244. Zash

    Not the greatest use of our limited resources

  245. emus

    Basically you can get startet.

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  248. edhelas

    who is moderating list.jabber.at ?

  249. edhelas

    i'm waiting for months for the approbation of my server :p

  250. edhelas

    seems to be maintained by mathiasertl

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  253. jonas’

    that sounds familiar

  254. Zash

    Maintaining these kinds of lists takes time too

  255. Ge0rG

    somebody needs to create a new list, and then we will add it to xmpp.org

  256. jonas’

    let’s ask 404.city, I heard they’ve got some interest in maintaining a list.

  257. Ge0rG

    is there a list of the lists of xmpp servers, and how well they are maintained?

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  259. Ge0rG

    I tried to get onto the list that's hidden in the kaidan issue tracker, but failed :(

  260. emus

    Ge0rG: I havent forgotten you, but just no time anymore, as I focused on the newsletter

  261. Ge0rG

    emus: everything is good

  262. jonas’

    speak only for yourself and your little world ;)

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  265. Guus

    > reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3: > https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 HOLGER! ☝️

  266. jonas’

    Link Mauve, 👆

  267. edhelas

    Tobias 👆

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  269. Guus

    👈 Guus

  270. moparisthebest

    good one :D

  271. edhelas

    moparisthebest 👌

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  456. citizenzibb

    Can I be a member?

  457. Guus

    citizenzibb: yes!

  458. citizenzibb


  459. Guus

    Follow instructions on https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020

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  462. citizenzibb

    Thanks! I will look into this.

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