emus: hi, I've let comments yesterday for the newsletter, I'm sorry I have not time to formulate it better, working day has started :-/. I may have some time in the evening if it's not too late.
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goffi: Yes I got the email. will review later. Thanks! Feel free to join our channel as well:
goffi
basically it's about new theme, HTTP Upload in file sharing component (with ability to view/delete uploaded files), and photo album
emus
xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
goffi
emus: oh I've missed that there was a channel, cool
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goffi: one question, you commited to the August release, which is the "new" draft. what we will release on the 6th is the July version (another open PR #730)
was that intended?
goffi
emus, no it's mistake, please move it to July (I was not sure if August was the month of the publication, or the month of the related things).
goffi
I'm sorry can't do much more myself for now, annoying day full of meetings :(
emus
goffi: yes. you are right, this is confusing, and I think Im gonna change this. You see the schedule always in the first comment.
ok
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edhelas
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034368
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> XMPP: Most clients are hard to use (or to teach others to use). Good servers are hard to find. Protocol standards are a mess. I couldn't find a real-world e2ee group chat implementation.
I personally dont wonder he comes to this impression
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!XSF_Martin
Don't know. You don't have to start with profanity or poezio. Pick conversations, dino and it's dead simple.
emus
!XSF_Martin: How should he know about Dino or C?
!XSF_Martin
How did he know about element? Somehow you have to search for a client. If he already knows xmpp is existing he'll probably should be able to find the clients.
Zash
> Protocol standards are a mess
Bit closest to the topic of this channel. Hard to do anything about such a vague statement tho.
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!XSF_Martin
Maybe the old 'one huge doc' vs. 'cluttered world of xeps and no one implements all!'…
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The world is messy. Anything actually used in the real world will be a bit messy.
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Zash
Compliance suites and the Modern XMPP project are meant to help there. No idea if they found those.
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if I just type XMPP to Google, the only thing place right is Conversations from the app store suggestion. but more or less no other relevant clients
Zash
So our well-paid marketing department is doing a terrible job
All these things that boil down to marketing just make me depressed. I want to write code that makes things better, not marketing / SEO.
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!XSF_Martin
Searching for "xmpp desktop" the second hit in my searx instance is https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html
!XSF_Martin
But for newcomers this list might not be very helpful as there is no description of the clients. They might end up with pidgin or thunderbird…
emus
Zash: But no one will know really... and Im not saying we should go crazy on marketing, however at least have some basics and not leave it to a state where it actually does harm
emus
!XSF_Martin: i think so too
Alex
reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
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Zash
!XSF_Martin: A nicer overview page would be nice to have
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Zash
Here's some inspiration: http://screenshots.debian.net/packages?search=xmpp&show=with
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emus
I wonder if it should be okay to also link to community information. If someone runs their own overview website, why not at least link to it?
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Zash
Sure, as long as people can keep from fighting over the ordering of the list of overview sites then
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Zash
But then you could just let search engines deal with that
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emus
Dunno, you can randomise the list I guess?
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Zash
Tho I guess that's a problem for when there's at least two of them 🙂
jonas’
Link Mauve, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 !
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Zash: No idea, you brought the point up that people gonna fight^^
Zash
Were you around for the drama about https://xmpp.org/getting-started/ ?
emus
Guess not. Drama, yes I can imagine
emus
I see the problem
Zash
Not the greatest use of our limited resources
emus
Basically you can get startet.
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edhelas
who is moderating list.jabber.at ?
edhelas
i'm waiting for months for the approbation of my server :p
edhelas
seems to be maintained by mathiasertl
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jonas’
that sounds familiar
Zash
Maintaining these kinds of lists takes time too
Ge0rG
somebody needs to create a new list, and then we will add it to xmpp.org
jonas’
let’s ask 404.city, I heard they’ve got some interest in maintaining a list.
Ge0rG
is there a list of the lists of xmpp servers, and how well they are maintained?