XSF Discussion - 2020-08-03

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  59. Raj Hi
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  93. emus Good day!
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  95. goffi emus: hi, I've let comments yesterday for the newsletter, I'm sorry I have not time to formulate it better, working day has started :-/. I may have some time in the evening if it's not too late.
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  97. emus goffi: Yes I got the email. will review later. Thanks! Feel free to join our channel as well:
  98. goffi basically it's about new theme, HTTP Upload in file sharing component (with ability to view/delete uploaded files), and photo album
  99. emus xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
  100. goffi emus: oh I've missed that there was a channel, cool
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  103. emus goffi: one question, you commited to the August release, which is the "new" draft. what we will release on the 6th is the July version (another open PR #730) was that intended?
  104. goffi emus, no it's mistake, please move it to July (I was not sure if August was the month of the publication, or the month of the related things).
  105. goffi I'm sorry can't do much more myself for now, annoying day full of meetings :(
  106. emus goffi: yes. you are right, this is confusing, and I think Im gonna change this. You see the schedule always in the first comment. ok
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  143. edhelas https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034368
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  157. emus > XMPP: Most clients are hard to use (or to teach others to use). Good servers are hard to find. Protocol standards are a mess. I couldn't find a real-world e2ee group chat implementation. I personally dont wonder he comes to this impression
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  160. !XSF_Martin Don't know. You don't have to start with profanity or poezio. Pick conversations, dino and it's dead simple.
  161. emus !XSF_Martin: How should he know about Dino or C?
  162. !XSF_Martin How did he know about element? Somehow you have to search for a client. If he already knows xmpp is existing he'll probably should be able to find the clients.
  163. Zash > Protocol standards are a mess Bit closest to the topic of this channel. Hard to do anything about such a vague statement tho.
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  165. !XSF_Martin Maybe the old 'one huge doc' vs. 'cluttered world of xeps and no one implements all!'…
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  168. Zash The world is messy. Anything actually used in the real world will be a bit messy.
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  171. Zash Compliance suites and the Modern XMPP project are meant to help there. No idea if they found those.
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  176. emus if I just type XMPP to Google, the only thing place right is Conversations from the app store suggestion. but more or less no other relevant clients
  177. Zash So our well-paid marketing department is doing a terrible job
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  180. emus https://jabbers.one:5281/upload/05r3s9-WM83YVB_M/IMG_20200803_114758.jpg
  181. emus Zash: 🤡
  182. emus Ge0rG: but Bruno made it!
  183. Zash So we all suck at SEO eh
  184. emus Zash: is that a hard task to change?
  185. Zash Not my department.
  186. emus 😣
  187. emus General question
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  190. Zash All these things that boil down to marketing just make me depressed. I want to write code that makes things better, not marketing / SEO.
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  192. !XSF_Martin Searching for "xmpp desktop" the second hit in my searx instance is https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html
  193. !XSF_Martin But for newcomers this list might not be very helpful as there is no description of the clients. They might end up with pidgin or thunderbird…
  194. emus Zash: But no one will know really... and Im not saying we should go crazy on marketing, however at least have some basics and not leave it to a state where it actually does harm
  195. emus !XSF_Martin: i think so too
  196. Alex reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
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  199. Zash !XSF_Martin: A nicer overview page would be nice to have
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  223. Zash Here's some inspiration: http://screenshots.debian.net/packages?search=xmpp&show=with
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  227. emus I wonder if it should be okay to also link to community information. If someone runs their own overview website, why not at least link to it?
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  230. Zash Sure, as long as people can keep from fighting over the ordering of the list of overview sites then
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  232. Zash But then you could just let search engines deal with that
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  234. emus Dunno, you can randomise the list I guess?
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  237. Zash Tho I guess that's a problem for when there's at least two of them 🙂
  238. jonas’ Link Mauve, https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 !
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  240. emus Zash: No idea, you brought the point up that people gonna fight^^
  241. Zash Were you around for the drama about https://xmpp.org/getting-started/ ?
  242. emus Guess not. Drama, yes I can imagine
  243. emus I see the problem
  244. Zash Not the greatest use of our limited resources
  245. emus Basically you can get startet.
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  248. edhelas who is moderating list.jabber.at ?
  249. edhelas i'm waiting for months for the approbation of my server :p
  250. edhelas seems to be maintained by mathiasertl
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  253. jonas’ that sounds familiar
  254. Zash Maintaining these kinds of lists takes time too
  255. Ge0rG somebody needs to create a new list, and then we will add it to xmpp.org
  256. jonas’ let’s ask 404.city, I heard they’ve got some interest in maintaining a list.
  257. Ge0rG is there a list of the lists of xmpp servers, and how well they are maintained?
  258. jonas’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lists_of_XMPP_Servers
  259. Ge0rG I tried to get onto the list that's hidden in the kaidan issue tracker, but failed :(
  260. emus Ge0rG: I havent forgotten you, but just no time anymore, as I focused on the newsletter
  261. Ge0rG emus: everything is good
  262. jonas’ speak only for yourself and your little world ;)
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  265. Guus > reminder for thos who are here and have to reapply in Q3: > https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020 HOLGER! ☝️
  266. jonas’ Link Mauve, 👆
  267. edhelas Tobias 👆
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  269. Guus 👈 Guus
  270. moparisthebest good one :D
  271. edhelas moparisthebest 👌
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  273. emus 😁
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  456. citizenzibb Can I be a member?
  457. Guus citizenzibb: yes!
  458. citizenzibb Wow!
  459. Guus Follow instructions on https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
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  462. citizenzibb Thanks! I will look into this.
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