XSF Discussion - 2020-08-07

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  126. Alex I am using the Office365 silo, and it always ends up in SPAM there
  127. Ge0rG Alex: you could inspect the mail headers for why
  128. jonas’ probably SPF
  129. Alex I did, my assumption maybe SPF or other Email records
  130. Alex its coming from nicolas.verite@nayego.net, not sure if all the records are setup correctly at TinyLetter/Mailchimo
  131. Alex I also think it should come from an XSF domain
  132. emus Me too jcbrand, Seve Do you agree that I head for to create an official CommTeam email?
  133. jonas’ it won’t solve the problem though
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  135. emus Do you also think I should reach out to tinynewsletter/mailchimp about that SPF?
  136. jonas’ they can’t do anything about that
  137. jonas’ that’d be useless if they could
  138. MattJ The right thing to do is use an xmpp.org address and for us to add the SPF records
  139. jonas’ that might work
  140. Alex 👍
  141. jonas’ and also allow mailchimp to spam on our behalf \o/
  142. emus MattJ: Thanks
  143. jonas’ so the rightest thing to do is to deploy a subdomain for which we do that.
  144. Seve It was too troublesome to start the newsletter going through an XSF's email address just to try the concept out. But it looks like we are ready for an official address now :)
  145. emus Ok. Yes. I am sure jcbrand will support that
  146. emus xsf_commteam@ xmpp.org Seve jcbrand would that be okay for you as a potential adress?
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  148. jcbrand I think newsletter@xmpp.org is nicer, or otherwise comms@xmpp.org
  149. jcbrand No need to have underscores in an email address 🙂
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  153. MattJ Agree re. underscores, though I think it would be good to use a subdomain as jonas’ suggested
  154. Seve Was about to say exactly those
  155. Seve 👍
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  161. jonas’ please no underscores
  162. jonas’ news@letter.xmpp.org? :)
  163. emus Lets keep the email general and not sticked to a task. Then I think commteam@xmpp.org is good
  164. emus jonas' no please not connected to a topic
  165. jonas’ emus, but the address needs special settings because it is used for a newsletter
  166. emus Ah okay. And that is such a special setting that it should not be used for other email purposes?
  167. jonas’ yes
  168. emus then make it newsletter@
  169. jonas’ @somesubdomain.xmpp.org
  170. emus ok
  171. jonas’ hence my proposal news@letter.xmpp.org, since it’s fun
  172. emus hmm... ok
  173. jonas’ but we can also do newsletter@bulk.xmpp.org or something like that
  174. emus no, news@letter.xmpp.org is fine
  175. emus jcbrand seve ?
  176. jcbrand Newsletter is one word, so news@letter seems weird to me. Do we accept replies on that address? Otherwise we can do noreply@newsletter.xmpp.org
  177. jcbrand Actually in think the convention is usually no-reply@...
  178. jcbrand Actually I think the convention is usually no-reply@...
  179. Seve newsletter should go altogether in my opinion. Going with the no-reply seems the way to go?
  180. jonas’ jcbrand, no-reply sounds like a plan
  181. jonas’ since we won’t set up an inbound mailbox actually :)
  182. Seve Super!
  183. MattJ Now if someone can write down on the iteam issue tracker exactly what DNS records need adding, I can look at it later or make sure jonas’ has access if he wants to
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  185. emus I'm fine with no-reply
  186. emus but wait
  187. emus If this is the registered email in Tinynewsletter ... will that be a problem to access the account?
  188. emus If there is no inbound?
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  191. emus Because in TinyNewsletter, the email you register, is the email you spam the world with
  192. emus At least it seem to be the case to me
  193. jonas’ MattJ, OK, I’ll try to figure out which records we need
  194. emus There is only one field for Email. Nothing else, so I guess the email you put there is used for "everything"
  195. !XSF_Martin Authentication-Results: mail.mdosch.de; dkim=pass header.d=mail4.tinyletterapp.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=bounce-tl_1278521.8561570-spam-xmpp-org=mdosch.de@mail4.tinyletterapp.com X-Spamd-Bar: -
  196. !XSF_Martin DKIM and SPF seem to be OK.
  197. MattJ Uh, how exactly does it work?
  198. MattJ https://tinyletter.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006202814--Yahoo-and-AOL-changes-to-DMARC-may-affect-deliverability
  199. !XSF_Martin Here are all headers: https://paste.debian.net/1159517/
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  201. emus Thanks Martin
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  220. Alex Holger: the Q3 application period ends this week, lets go ;-) https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2020
  221. jonas’ Link Mauve, !!
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  225. emus jonas' is that an issue to have this email as the account email then? because in the end they prevent us from using the account?
  226. jonas’ emus, I don’t quite get what you mean
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  228. MattJ jonas’, tinyletter sends from the email address you sign up with
  229. jonas’ for certain definitions of "from the email address"
  230. jonas’ ah, but you want to say the issue is that they’ll try to send transactional/account related email there?
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  232. MattJ They verify it, for starters, by sending you an email
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  235. emus Yes, thanks MattJ
  236. MattJ Right now I don't see an obvious reason why it doesn't go to spam ~100% of the time
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  238. emus Also a point
  239. Kev flow: re: sometimes bare JID and no to not being equivalent - 191 requires that you send stuff with no to, instead of bare JID.
  240. Kev (Although I think it entirely reasonable, and even desirable, to ignore that restriction on the server and process either)
  241. Kev (I think it was you who asked for an example the other days, sorry if I misremember)
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  243. flow Hmm, would we benefit from a standard boilerplate text for such situations? I.e. situations when you can use either no 'to' or put our own bare JID into to in XEPs?
  244. flow Kev, I also think it was me who asked btw
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  266. vanitasvitae Digging around the EAX XEPs right now. XEP-EAX-CAR (E2E Authentication in XMPP: CA Requirements) is in inbox since february of 2019. The council protocols state that Board has to decide whether or not to accept this specification since it is procedural.
  267. vanitasvitae However, I fail to find any records of this board meeting.
  268. vanitasvitae https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-February/035815.html
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  271. vanitasvitae Are minutes of board meetings not send to standards@?
  272. Kev members@
  273. vanitasvitae Ah
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  275. vanitasvitae Is it possible to access the members list archive?
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  277. jonas’ yes, it’s as public as standards@
  278. jonas’ https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/
  279. vanitasvitae I didnt find it as it is not listed on https://xmpp.org/community/mailing-lists.html
  280. vanitasvitae Thanks :)
  281. Kev Yeah, it's not *quite* as public, but almost.
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  284. vanitasvitae Hm, I still fail to find any records of a board meeting that mentions XEP-EAX-CAR.
  285. Zash Weren't those retracted ?
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  288. vanitasvitae Does retracting a XEP trigger a Mail to be send out by the editor?
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  492. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0084.html#proto-data
  493. lovetox this is wrong i think
  494. lovetox it says the data element IS ONLY for image/png
  495. lovetox which would mean its impossible to publish other formats
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  497. lovetox or maybe it really means that
  498. lovetox then why the fuck are we only allowed to publish image/png
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  512. Kev That's really what it's saying, yes. To publish anything else you have to use external links. Why I couldn't say.
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  514. Kev Well, presumably because everyone needs to do png in order to get interop.
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  516. lovetox thats fine, thats why it says, one of the info elements must be png/image
  517. lovetox fine, why though are other info elements not allowed to store data in pubsub
  518. lovetox that makes zero sense
  519. lovetox further, there is zero possibility this can lead to any confusion
  520. lovetox a client has to read the matadata info
  521. lovetox it reads the image-typ, then readys the pubsub item id
  522. lovetox it knows what it has to expect if it requests the content
  523. lovetox the XEP text sounds to me like there is no metadata
  524. lovetox or that the XEP can be used without metadata
  525. lovetox then this rule makes sense
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  531. lovetox seems the XEP had this in there, store all kind of images in pubsub
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  533. lovetox but it was changed to only image/png with version 0.7
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  536. lovetox or course without any comment in the changelog why
  537. lovetox i guess i will simply ignore this, as there is no reason or motiviation given in the XEP why only image/png should be stored
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