XSF Discussion - 2020-08-20


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  347. MattJ Anyone else around?
  348. MattJ ralphm, Guus, Seve?
  349. Guus oh, sorry
  350. Guus yeah
  351. Guus it's one of those days
  352. MattJ If everyone's on holiday I'm going to feel like I'm missing out
  353. Seve 😁
  354. Guus πŸ¦—
  355. MattJ Ok, I'll assume unicode boxes mean let's go
  356. MattJ 0) Roll call
  357. Guus it was a cricket πŸ™‚
  358. Guus but yeah
  359. MattJ :)
  360. Guus ROLL!
  361. Seve :D
  362. Seve is here
  363. Guus (sorry)
  364. MattJ :)
  365. MattJ pulls up the actual agend^WTrello
  366. MattJ Oh yeah, I added something
  367. MattJ 1) Topics for decisions
  368. MattJ 1.1) Sponsor Secure Messaging Summit?
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  370. MattJ Context: https://claucece.github.io/Secure-Messaging-Summit/ (I think you've both seen already, since it was shared in commteam)
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  372. Guus I've briefly glanced over it, not expecting it to pop up for discussion here
  373. Guus (dind't review trello before the meeting - a pre-sent agenda would be nice indeed)
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  375. MattJ One day :)
  376. Guus I in principle have no objections to sponsoring the event - it seems to align nicely with our objectives.
  377. Guus this all from a cursory look
  378. Seve "You can be another sponsor if you like! ;)" I can't find how or what it takes to become a sponsor
  379. MattJ But yeah, the summit is not XMPP-specific, but obviously within our domain
  380. Guus (eg, the headlines make sense)
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  382. MattJ and yes, the sponsorship part is vague, but I saw it and thought it would be worth bringing up for discussion
  383. MattJ so if we're not opposed, then I propose someone reaches out to them for more details
  384. MattJ and ff someone wants to volunteer for that, great, and I can otherwise
  385. MattJ and if someone wants to volunteer for that, great, and I can otherwise
  386. Guus I'd happily push this to anyone but me - neck-deep in post holiday madness
  387. Seve I think it would be nice to have XMPP/XSF around there, since it looks like there's nobody from the community participating there, so it is a way to have XMPP around
  388. Guus Do we need to bring up them using Zulip for chat?
  389. MattJ I don't think so?
  390. Guus Might come across as weird for us to sponsor an event that's using different technologies than ours.
  391. Guus I don't particularly mind, as I'm primarily interested in the topic of the event, rather than technology used.
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  393. MattJ Zulip isn't federated (afaik) but it is open-source
  394. Guus I'm merely trying to anticipate raised brows from our own community.
  395. MattJ Yeah, I don't see an issue but if someone has an objection then I'm happy to continue on that point
  396. Guus fair enough
  397. MattJ Ok, so... I'll take that as no objections to reaching out. Any volunteers? If not I can.
  398. Seve That's a chance for some XMPP awareness, that's why I think it is good to see if it is doable for us to become sponsors
  399. Seve I would be happy if you can handle it MattJ, but I can help too if needed
  400. MattJ Ok, great
  401. MattJ Looking over the other items on the board...
  402. MattJ Looks like we have a few stale items
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  405. MattJ 2) Items for discussion
  406. MattJ 2.1) What to do with open PRs in xsf/xmpp.org
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  408. MattJ This was added by pep. but apparently raised by emus: > PRs are "pilling up" in the repository and there is nobody to look into them. Istr board and commteam have commit access (probably iteam as well). Should we put something in place to review things on a regular basis. Any other idea?
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  411. MattJ As I understand it, commteam are in charge of the website (content, anyway)
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  413. Guus Does board _need_ to do anything here?
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  415. MattJ I was just about to say, I don't see why this is a board matter. Though commteam failing to do what we need does become a board matter
  416. Guus People that have permission to work on issues get email notifications of changes - I don't think it's a matter of people be unaware.
  417. Seve I do not get those if I'm not mentioned, maybe something I can look at
  418. Seve I'll try to handle take care of that item
  419. MattJ Ok, thanks!
  420. MattJ There are 12 PRs, I don't consider that a mountain, I've seen worse
  421. Guus if any team wants to put in some kind of mechanism for periodic reviewing things, by all means, go for it. I'm slightly worried that more procedure doesn't necessarily help, but we can always try.
  422. Guus to be fair, I think a bunch of them were worked on recently.
  423. MattJ Yeah, nothing looks ancient
  424. MattJ Ok, so Seve will look into it, but no other action required from Board here
  425. Guus and if it was ancient, then it was probably not important enough to have been resolved with any kind of priority.
  426. Seve Yes, don't worry, I'll make sure we handle what we need to handle here πŸ‘
  427. Guus Thanks
  428. MattJ Of the other cards on the board, I don't see any that I'm 1) comfortable with discussion without ralphm/pep. participating 2) aren't blocked on someone
  429. MattJ so...
  430. MattJ 3) AOB
  431. Guus none from me
  432. Guus hmm
  433. Seve None here
  434. Guus when does our term end?
  435. Guus (do we need to start thinking about elections yet?
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  438. Guus something to look into later, maybe. Just something that popped to mind
  439. MattJ The last election date was 2019-11-21
  440. MattJ so a while yet, but yes, something to start thinking about soon
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  442. MattJ 4) Next meeting
  443. MattJ Same time next week wfm
  444. Guus +!
  445. Guus +1
  446. Seve +1
  447. MattJ 5) EOF
  448. MattJ Thanks all
  449. Guus thanks!
  450. Seve Thank you! Also thanks for chairing MattJ, very appreciated :)
  451. MattJ I'll send out minutes shortly
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  458. MattJ Done
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  467. emus Seve, MattJ: I mentioned the situation, which seem to be the case on the other repositories, too (no matter who is reponsible) we have issues open for years already. I furthermore didnt know that CommTeam is responsible for the website alone. Therefore I intended to start a discussion how to treat open issues/PRs and who can review those (meaning with background knowledge). Often people claim for example the client lists for example are not up-to-date, however there were 10 not merged update PRs. I think this is frustrating for contributors in general and it also does not help if noone feels responsible.
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  471. emus > if any team wants to put in some kind of mechanism for periodic reviewing things, by all means, go for it. I'm slightly worried that more procedure doesn't necessarily help, but we can always try. > to be fair, I think a bunch of them were worked on recently. I think that would be good in general
  472. emus Of course one can subcribe to repository notficiations
  473. emus Of course one can subcribe to repository notficiations (Watch repo)
  474. jonas’ FTR, I was subscribed to xmpp.org before I got my write access revoked when we cleaned up permissions and people figured out that I wasn’t in commteam :)
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  512. emus Of course one can subcribe to repository notficiations (Watch repo)
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  630. emus πŸ€”οΈ when was that?
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  640. lovetox was there any movement regarding message styling?
  641. lovetox i think there was some issue with 394 because it does not specify how to count the characters?
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  644. Zash lovetox, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0426.html discusses that
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  646. lovetox ok was there any other drawback with 394 i should know about?
  647. lovetox can we replace xhtml with it?
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  670. larma lovetox, at summit we discussed that it would be great if one can specify in 394 that a char/string is actually meant as a formatting char for clients not supporting 394 (i.e. clients doing only 393) and should not be displayed to users if the client supports the corresponding 394 markup tag. This would be useful so that e.g. lists don't end up with double bullet point as in the example https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0394.html#usecases-itemized but instead just une bullet point as one would expect
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