XSF Discussion - 2020-08-24

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07:20:46 Guus On OpenDomain: https://web.archive.org/web/20070504093558/https://xmpp.org/xsf/press/2005-12-30.shtml
07:22:35 Holger Guus: Ah, thanks.
07:24:08 Guus The XSF is incorporated the state of Delaware - I assume that the Denver PO box is more of a convenience / physical distance thingy.
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07:29:59 Zash > domains were transferred to the JSF Meaning they are held by the XSF?
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07:30:50 jonas’ yes
07:31:19 jonas’ Registrant Organization: XMPP Standards Foundation Registrant State/Province: CO Registrant Country: US
07:31:54 Zash Registrant Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY 😕️
07:32:17 jonas’ huh?
07:32:34 jonas’ I just ran `whois xmpp.org` and got that
07:32:51 Zash Ah, that was from `whois xmpp.com`
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07:33:44 Holger Guus: Ah. Looks like you get good burgers right next to the Denver address though.
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07:36:42 Guus Holger I can't vouch for that. I'm not sure to what extend, if true, that is a coincidence. /me eyes stpeter
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07:39:43 Guus ~~just to assert the amount of attention that I need to give the addressing thing: is this merely to satisfy curiosity, or are we having an issue somehow/somewhere?~~ ✎
07:40:00 Guus just to assert the amount of attention that I need to give the address thing: is this merely to satisfy curiosity, or are we having an issue somehow/somewhere? ✏
07:42:12 Holger Guus: :-) Pure curiousity, sorry for the noise. I've applied for membership so I'm trying to inform myself about the important things such as burgers.
07:42:25 jonas’ burgers.
07:42:29 Guus can't blame you.
07:52:36 eevvoor Ah, you`re applying at last, Holger?
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08:17:23 edhelas just posted that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24258436
08:20:11 eevvoor edhelas‎ 🙂
08:22:01 Ge0rG if you want to upvote, you should go through https://news.ycombinator.com/newest and not through the direct id link
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08:23:46 edhelas ah, indeed, sorry
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08:39:26 lovetox The example message example makes no sense
08:39:27 lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0070.html
08:40:00 lovetox It implies implementation should implement there own way of saying "Yes" or "No" via body
08:40:29 lovetox at the same time the XEP defines a protocol way of confirmation (type=error vs type=normal)
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08:42:47 lovetox for a moment i thought this might be a, Dont show the body its only a fallback thing
08:43:15 lovetox but that makes even less sense, as with such XEP the body is very useful and gives more context about what the auth is
08:43:57 lovetox further the XEP states, the confirm element MUST be in the reply, so essentially only clients that understand httpauth can do this
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19:33:55 Zash In https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html why is <retract/> a child of <moderate/>? (ping jcbrand) Not sure if I asked before, but I've wondered about it before. Seems backwards or redundant, unless there may be other future moderation actions than retraction.
19:35:14 jcbrand Zash: because conceivably there could be other moderation commands as well besides retraction
19:36:16 Zash I'm thinking because it means you have to support both
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19:37:56 Zash Might be fine tho
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19:54:02 lovetox hmm
19:54:31 lovetox i just go a message from someone who claims to be from the FBI and requests access logs from gajim.org
19:54:38 lovetox anyone experienced something similar?
19:54:39 Zash I guess it depends on how different you consider "the user retracted this message" and "a moderator retracted a message"
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20:01:04 marc lovetox: via email?
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20:03:13 lovetox no via xmpp
20:03:20 MattJ lovetox: yes, it happens
20:03:35 lovetox and do you hand over logs?
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20:03:58 MattJ stpeter may have some tips, he has dealt with it for jabber.org occasionally
20:03:59 Zash maybe consider lawyering up
20:04:16 lovetox Zash, why would i ?! im not us citizen
20:04:45 lovetox asking nicely is the full extend of what he can do, thats why he does it i guess
20:04:47 lovetox hail mary
20:04:54 MattJ :)
20:06:00 Daniel lovetox: depending on how credible you think they are either ignore or tell them politely that they have to go through Austrian authorities
20:06:43 Daniel You are probably not allowed (by your countrie's) law to hand them any data
20:07:07 moparisthebest is it a @fbi.gov JID or something else? either way probably shouldn't just send data
20:07:07 Daniel And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities
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20:08:24 marc > And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities ☝
20:09:09 Zash Does seem like the thing where asking a lawyer seems saner than asking the Internet. :P
20:09:11 Daniel Usually I would expect them to send a scanned document with a proper stamp and letter head
20:09:42 MattJ Yeah, I wouldn't expect a request over XMPP
20:10:05 moparisthebest I doubt any country has a law requiring any response at all to an informal instant messaging request
20:10:05 Daniel Oh it came over xmpp?
20:10:10 Daniel I missed that part.
20:10:21 Daniel It's very likely not credible than
20:11:01 lovetox actually he regitered on gajim.org
20:11:04 lovetox and send me that
20:11:29 moparisthebest 99.9% chance he's a scammer
20:11:33 lovetox but what seems to make it credible, is that he offerend i can call the phone number and verify his identity
20:11:39 lovetox phone number is indeed correct
20:11:52 moparisthebest how did you verify the phone number
20:12:03 lovetox google
20:12:11 Daniel Credible or not the proper procedure is for them to go through the Austrian authorities
20:12:24 Daniel With a request for legal assistance
20:12:31 lovetox Yes Daniel i agree
20:13:35 Daniel But I almost always get a nice PDF
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20:13:42 Daniel Not that this buys me anything
20:13:55 Daniel Because it doesn't change the procedure
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20:14:38 lovetox yeah asking does not hurt and i bet some people send data
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