XSF Discussion - 2020-08-24


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  120. Guus On OpenDomain: https://web.archive.org/web/20070504093558/https://xmpp.org/xsf/press/2005-12-30.shtml
  121. Holger Guus: Ah, thanks.
  122. Guus The XSF is incorporated the state of Delaware - I assume that the Denver PO box is more of a convenience / physical distance thingy.
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  125. Zash > domains were transferred to the JSF Meaning they are held by the XSF?
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  127. jonas’ yes
  128. jonas’ Registrant Organization: XMPP Standards Foundation Registrant State/Province: CO Registrant Country: US
  129. Zash Registrant Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY 😕️
  130. jonas’ huh?
  131. jonas’ I just ran `whois xmpp.org` and got that
  132. Zash Ah, that was from `whois xmpp.com`
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  134. Holger Guus: Ah. Looks like you get good burgers right next to the Denver address though.
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  140. Guus Holger I can't vouch for that. I'm not sure to what extend, if true, that is a coincidence. /me eyes stpeter
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  144. Guus just to assert the amount of attention that I need to give the addressing thing: is this merely to satisfy curiosity, or are we having an issue somehow/somewhere?
  145. Guus just to assert the amount of attention that I need to give the address thing: is this merely to satisfy curiosity, or are we having an issue somehow/somewhere?
  146. Holger Guus: :-) Pure curiousity, sorry for the noise. I've applied for membership so I'm trying to inform myself about the important things such as burgers.
  147. jonas’ burgers.
  148. Guus can't blame you.
  149. eevvoor Ah, you`re applying at last, Holger?
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  163. edhelas just posted that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24258436
  164. eevvoor edhelas‎ 🙂
  165. Ge0rG if you want to upvote, you should go through https://news.ycombinator.com/newest and not through the direct id link
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  167. edhelas ah, indeed, sorry
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  171. lovetox The example message example makes no sense
  172. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0070.html
  173. lovetox It implies implementation should implement there own way of saying "Yes" or "No" via body
  174. lovetox at the same time the XEP defines a protocol way of confirmation (type=error vs type=normal)
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  177. lovetox for a moment i thought this might be a, Dont show the body its only a fallback thing
  178. lovetox but that makes even less sense, as with such XEP the body is very useful and gives more context about what the auth is
  179. lovetox further the XEP states, the confirm element MUST be in the reply, so essentially only clients that understand httpauth can do this
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  486. Zash In https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html why is <retract/> a child of <moderate/>? (ping jcbrand) Not sure if I asked before, but I've wondered about it before. Seems backwards or redundant, unless there may be other future moderation actions than retraction.
  487. jcbrand Zash: because conceivably there could be other moderation commands as well besides retraction
  488. Zash I'm thinking because it means you have to support both
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  492. Zash Might be fine tho
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  497. lovetox hmm
  498. lovetox i just go a message from someone who claims to be from the FBI and requests access logs from gajim.org
  499. lovetox anyone experienced something similar?
  500. Zash I guess it depends on how different you consider "the user retracted this message" and "a moderator retracted a message"
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  502. marc lovetox: via email?
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  505. lovetox no via xmpp
  506. MattJ lovetox: yes, it happens
  507. lovetox and do you hand over logs?
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  509. MattJ stpeter may have some tips, he has dealt with it for jabber.org occasionally
  510. Zash maybe consider lawyering up
  511. lovetox Zash, why would i ?! im not us citizen
  512. lovetox asking nicely is the full extend of what he can do, thats why he does it i guess
  513. lovetox hail mary
  514. MattJ :)
  515. Daniel lovetox: depending on how credible you think they are either ignore or tell them politely that they have to go through Austrian authorities
  516. Daniel You are probably not allowed (by your countrie's) law to hand them any data
  517. moparisthebest is it a @fbi.gov JID or something else? either way probably shouldn't just send data
  518. Daniel And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities
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  520. marc > And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities ☝
  521. Zash Does seem like the thing where asking a lawyer seems saner than asking the Internet. :P
  522. Daniel Usually I would expect them to send a scanned document with a proper stamp and letter head
  523. MattJ Yeah, I wouldn't expect a request over XMPP
  524. moparisthebest I doubt any country has a law requiring any response at all to an informal instant messaging request
  525. Daniel Oh it came over xmpp?
  526. Daniel I missed that part.
  527. Daniel It's very likely not credible than
  528. lovetox actually he regitered on gajim.org
  529. lovetox and send me that
  530. moparisthebest 99.9% chance he's a scammer
  531. lovetox but what seems to make it credible, is that he offerend i can call the phone number and verify his identity
  532. lovetox phone number is indeed correct
  533. moparisthebest how did you verify the phone number
  534. lovetox google
  535. Daniel Credible or not the proper procedure is for them to go through the Austrian authorities
  536. Daniel With a request for legal assistance
  537. lovetox Yes Daniel i agree
  538. Daniel But I almost always get a nice PDF
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  540. Daniel Not that this buys me anything
  541. Daniel Because it doesn't change the procedure
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  544. lovetox yeah asking does not hurt and i bet some people send data
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