XSF Discussion - 2020-08-24

On OpenDomain: https://web.archive.org/web/20070504093558/https://xmpp.org/xsf/press/2005-12-30.shtml

Guus: Ah, thanks.

The XSF is incorporated the state of Delaware - I assume that the Denver PO box is more of a convenience / physical distance thingy.

> domains were transferred to the JSF Meaning they are held by the XSF?

yes

Registrant Organization: XMPP Standards Foundation Registrant State/Province: CO Registrant Country: US

Registrant Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY 😕️

huh?

I just ran `whois xmpp.org` and got that

Ah, that was from `whois xmpp.com`

Guus: Ah. Looks like you get good burgers right next to the Denver address though.

Holger I can't vouch for that. I'm not sure to what extend, if true, that is a coincidence. /me eyes stpeter

just to assert the amount of attention that I need to give the address thing: is this merely to satisfy curiosity, or are we having an issue somehow/somewhere? ✏

Guus: :-) Pure curiousity, sorry for the noise. I've applied for membership so I'm trying to inform myself about the important things such as burgers.

burgers.

can't blame you.

Ah, you`re applying at last, Holger?

just posted that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24258436

edhelas‎ 🙂

if you want to upvote, you should go through https://news.ycombinator.com/newest and not through the direct id link

ah, indeed, sorry

The example message example makes no sense

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0070.html

It implies implementation should implement there own way of saying "Yes" or "No" via body

at the same time the XEP defines a protocol way of confirmation (type=error vs type=normal)

for a moment i thought this might be a, Dont show the body its only a fallback thing

but that makes even less sense, as with such XEP the body is very useful and gives more context about what the auth is

further the XEP states, the confirm element MUST be in the reply, so essentially only clients that understand httpauth can do this

In https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html why is <retract/> a child of <moderate/>? (ping jcbrand) Not sure if I asked before, but I've wondered about it before. Seems backwards or redundant, unless there may be other future moderation actions than retraction.

Zash: because conceivably there could be other moderation commands as well besides retraction

I'm thinking because it means you have to support both

Might be fine tho

hmm

i just go a message from someone who claims to be from the FBI and requests access logs from gajim.org

anyone experienced something similar?

I guess it depends on how different you consider "the user retracted this message" and "a moderator retracted a message"

lovetox: via email?

no via xmpp

lovetox: yes, it happens

and do you hand over logs?

stpeter may have some tips, he has dealt with it for jabber.org occasionally

maybe consider lawyering up

Zash, why would i ?! im not us citizen

asking nicely is the full extend of what he can do, thats why he does it i guess

hail mary

:)

lovetox: depending on how credible you think they are either ignore or tell them politely that they have to go through Austrian authorities

You are probably not allowed (by your countrie's) law to hand them any data

is it a @fbi.gov JID or something else? either way probably shouldn't just send data

And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities

> And the proper procedure is the proxy that through your authorities ☝

Does seem like the thing where asking a lawyer seems saner than asking the Internet. :P

Usually I would expect them to send a scanned document with a proper stamp and letter head

Yeah, I wouldn't expect a request over XMPP

I doubt any country has a law requiring any response at all to an informal instant messaging request

Oh it came over xmpp?

I missed that part.

It's very likely not credible than

actually he regitered on gajim.org

and send me that

99.9% chance he's a scammer

but what seems to make it credible, is that he offerend i can call the phone number and verify his identity

phone number is indeed correct

how did you verify the phone number

google

Credible or not the proper procedure is for them to go through the Austrian authorities

With a request for legal assistance

Yes Daniel i agree

But I almost always get a nice PDF

Not that this buys me anything

Because it doesn't change the procedure

yeah asking does not hurt and i bet some people send data