XSF Discussion - 2020-08-28


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  289. pep. https://www.mnot.net/blog/2020/08/28/for_the_users nice read for the weekend. I think that's a stab in the direction I'd like the XSF to take as well :)
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  291. pep. > So at its heart, โ€œThe Internet is for End Usersโ€ is a call for IETF participants to stop pretending that they can ignore the non-technical consequences of their decisions
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  317. Daniel Am I reading this right that the articles only example of 'bad' / controversial rfcs is DoH but at the same time it admits that DoH is a bad example because filtering porn based on DNS was a terrible idea to begin with?
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  335. jonasโ€™ thereโ€™s also ADD in the pipeline
  336. jonasโ€™ of which I donโ€™t know exactly how terrible it is
  337. Zash Everything is terrible.
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  341. MattJ ADD?
  342. jonasโ€™ MattJ, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/add/about/
  343. jonasโ€™ TL;DR so far
  344. jonasโ€™ but #powerdns is concerned, and thatโ€™s never a good sign
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  375. pep. Daniel: it's just one of the latest and most obvious exemples that have had echo in the political spheres
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  616. jjrh https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/?gbt=1&index=iyT_axMcUWPJZGODaHaW5omKi1E
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  619. jjrh someone from the council might want to reply to that thread - quite a bit of stuff that really isn't the case in 2020.
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  644. Ge0rG That's a very long thread
  645. Zash And it started over a month ago, and the thing seems to have already happened.
  646. jjrh Yeah sorry I just saw it today
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  652. Zash Anything specific we can address; "It doesn't work for various reasons because of how poor it is" is kinda vague and hard to respond to.
  653. jjrh https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/DHy4rk5qxBjIb4hOTRH0E3pFJqg/
  654. jjrh Some of the stuff being said is surprising to me considering xmpp /is/ a IETF standard.
  655. Ge0rG Zash: specific thing: offer to run an xmpp server that's tied into ietf account database, provide MAM and guidance on which clients (not) to use
  656. Zash IETF has an account database? News to me.
  657. Zash Thought everyone participated via email
  658. jjrh You need a account on https://datatracker.ietf.org/
  659. Zash There was some OIDC mention in the middle of that thread
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  661. Zash We were going to do something a few years ago but it didn't really happen.
  662. Ge0rG https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/GXtpcDuBcjTq_hc-mPggKnH41Eo/ is asking for snikket
  663. Zash Just need the iOS story to be in order...
  664. jjrh Isn't there a iOS client that meets 0423 'advanced' ?
  665. Ge0rG Zash: thilo got an iPhone now, it's only a matter of time now
  666. Ge0rG jjrh: is there any client at all?
  667. Wojtek > Isn't there a iOS client that meets 0423 'advanced' ? @jjrh and @Zash SiskinIM perhaps (and BeagleIM for macOS)? though it lacks XEP-0245 (alas I'd question the need for it...)
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  672. Zash Wojtek: Yeah I hear there's good progress being made on those ๐Ÿ™‚
  673. Zash I meat, Snikket is still in alpha, so while there's progress being made on that kind of thing it's not completely there yet, and I've had poor experiences in the past trying to sell alpha stage solutions when there are well-polished proprietary solutions already in use. So, I'm a bit wary about jumping in that thread and telling them to just use Snikket at this point.
  674. Wojtek yeah, that could backfire
  675. Wojtek but at the same time XMPP seems to be in constant flux
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  680. jjrh well keep in mind the IETF already uses XMPP
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  683. jjrh https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/jabber/
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  688. Wojtek I'd say that recommending beagleIM for mac could be better option than adium at this point; and maybe conversations for android... or a couple of them
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  691. eta Wojtek, yeah, siskin is pretty solid from what I've seen :) [although if you could auto-enable MAM and push, or at least make it more obvious, that would be great!]
  692. mdosch > Wojtek, yeah, siskin is pretty solid from what I've seen :) Yeah, seems to work pretty good for my apples. > [although if you could auto-enable MAM and push, or at least make it more obvious, that would be great!] +1
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  695. eta (this is beginning to get offtopic for this channel, but does it use a notification service extension like monal was proposing?)
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  699. Wojtek @eta it should ask user to enable those upon first detection availability - there was an issue in previous versions but it should work better in next one (current testfligh, should be ont next-week-ish) regarding notification extension - we do have something like it, but it's used to decrypt received notifications frmo APNS and not (what you are probably expecting) to do stream resumption
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  703. eta Wojtek, ah, so server needs to support the tigase XEPs to show payload?