XSF Discussion - 2020-08-28

https://www.mnot.net/blog/2020/08/28/for_the_users nice read for the weekend. I think that's a stab in the direction I'd like the XSF to take as well :)

> So at its heart, “The Internet is for End Users” is a call for IETF participants to stop pretending that they can ignore the non-technical consequences of their decisions

Am I reading this right that the articles only example of 'bad' / controversial rfcs is DoH but at the same time it admits that DoH is a bad example because filtering porn based on DNS was a terrible idea to begin with?

there’s also ADD in the pipeline

of which I don’t know exactly how terrible it is

Everything is terrible.

ADD?

MattJ, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/add/about/

TL;DR so far

but #powerdns is concerned, and that’s never a good sign

Daniel: it's just one of the latest and most obvious exemples that have had echo in the political spheres

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/?gbt=1&index=iyT_axMcUWPJZGODaHaW5omKi1E

someone from the council might want to reply to that thread - quite a bit of stuff that really isn't the case in 2020.

That's a very long thread

And it started over a month ago, and the thing seems to have already happened.

Yeah sorry I just saw it today

Anything specific we can address; "It doesn't work for various reasons because of how poor it is" is kinda vague and hard to respond to.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/DHy4rk5qxBjIb4hOTRH0E3pFJqg/

Some of the stuff being said is surprising to me considering xmpp /is/ a IETF standard.

Zash: specific thing: offer to run an xmpp server that's tied into ietf account database, provide MAM and guidance on which clients (not) to use

IETF has an account database? News to me.

Thought everyone participated via email

You need a account on https://datatracker.ietf.org/

There was some OIDC mention in the middle of that thread

We were going to do something a few years ago but it didn't really happen.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/GXtpcDuBcjTq_hc-mPggKnH41Eo/ is asking for snikket

Just need the iOS story to be in order...

Isn't there a iOS client that meets 0423 'advanced' ?

Zash: thilo got an iPhone now, it's only a matter of time now

jjrh: is there any client at all?

> Isn't there a iOS client that meets 0423 'advanced' ? @jjrh and @Zash SiskinIM perhaps (and BeagleIM for macOS)? though it lacks XEP-0245 (alas I'd question the need for it...)

Wojtek: Yeah I hear there's good progress being made on those 🙂

I meat, Snikket is still in alpha, so while there's progress being made on that kind of thing it's not completely there yet, and I've had poor experiences in the past trying to sell alpha stage solutions when there are well-polished proprietary solutions already in use. So, I'm a bit wary about jumping in that thread and telling them to just use Snikket at this point.

yeah, that could backfire

but at the same time XMPP seems to be in constant flux

well keep in mind the IETF already uses XMPP

https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/jabber/

I'd say that recommending beagleIM for mac could be better option than adium at this point; and maybe conversations for android... or a couple of them

Wojtek, yeah, siskin is pretty solid from what I've seen :) [although if you could auto-enable MAM and push, or at least make it more obvious, that would be great!]

> Wojtek, yeah, siskin is pretty solid from what I've seen :) Yeah, seems to work pretty good for my apples. > [although if you could auto-enable MAM and push, or at least make it more obvious, that would be great!] +1

(this is beginning to get offtopic for this channel, but does it use a notification service extension like monal was proposing?)

@eta it should ask user to enable those upon first detection availability - there was an issue in previous versions but it should work better in next one (current testfligh, should be ont next-week-ish) regarding notification extension - we do have something like it, but it's used to decrypt received notifications frmo APNS and not (what you are probably expecting) to do stream resumption

Wojtek, ah, so server needs to support the tigase XEPs to show payload?