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Link Mauve
Pidgin does, as well as Papaya!
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Link Mauve
(I wrote the implementation of the latter.)
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guus.der.kinderen
... what is Papaya (excuse the ignorance)?
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Link Mauve
A XUL-based client Sonny and I and a bunch of other people were working on, some decade ago.
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mdosch
As MUC spam is becoming more frequent, is there something like xep 0377 for MUCs?
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MattJ
No, we should add it
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mdosch
I guess it's more complicated for MUCs but yeah. π
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pep.
I don't think it's much more complex
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pep.
at least not the signaling
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pep.
larma, 441/442 are now in github. I hope I didn't break all of jonas' workflow, but both repos are in sync now :x
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larma
pep., thanks!
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eevvoor
Someone tries to advertise sth named XMPP SW at amazon: https://www.amazon.de/XMPP-Standards-Foundation-All-Inclusive-Self-Assessment/dp/B079Y7BWGH/ref=sr_1_7?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=xmpp&qid=1599907562&sr=8-7
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eevvoor
We should report on it?
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eta
eevvoor, that sounds like it was generated using GPT-3
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pep.
doesn't make much sense indeed
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pep.
and it's not published as the XSF so..
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wurstsalat
Wow, big buzzword bingo
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pep.
"yay XSF made it to buzzwords"? :p
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wurstsalat
"Implement evidence-based best practice strategies aligned with overall goals" - wat
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vanitasvitae
Its hotword replacement
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emus
Anyone has an Amazon account reporting this? I can try after the weekend?
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pep.
emus, why would we report it
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emus
Because we understand thats fake
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pep.
Not because they mention "XSF" right?
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Zash
Oh boy, let's spend a few hours discussing the true meaning of "fake" ! :D
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pep.
emus, nobody is saying they are the XSF, they're just using the words. I don't see an issue with that
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wurstsalat
What's the purpose of it? I don't get it? Is it spam-to-buy?
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Zash
Probably.
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Zash
Algorithms generating all sorts of weird things and throwing it up on Amazon has been a thing for a while now as I understand.
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Zash
So, why not some word-salad containing "XSF"?
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mdosch
Looking for news about xmpp I found paywall sites were the text is encrypted with some Cesar Chiffre I guess and that salad contained xmpp. π
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Zash
I like how when I search for "xep nnnn" sometimes I get Vietnamese pages in the results ποΈ
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emus
Im gonna report it as it obviously is some weird stuff misguiding or generated
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eevvoor
Thx in advance emus. I am too busy atm.
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debacle
If I had an Amazon account, I would give an enthusiastic review of the book now. Mainly the "Dynamically auto-prioritized projects-ready RACI Matrix" helped me to overcome all my weaknesses. Waiter, more raki Matrix, please!✎ -
debacle
If I had an Amazon account, I would give an enthusiastic review of the book/CD now. Mainly the "Dynamically auto-prioritized projects-ready RACI Matrix" helped me to overcome all my weaknesses. Waiter, more raki Matrix, please! ✏
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Zash
Use ML text salad generator to write reviews
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debacle
ANFSCD: In 2003, it was considered cool to inform contacts about the music one were listening in that moment. JEP-0118: User Tune was born. Some years later, I still like to use this feature, but I feel, that the XEP needs some love.
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debacle
E.g. it says: > This specification defines a payload format for communicating information about music to which a user is listening, including the title, track number, collection, performer, composer, length, and user rating. But the tags for "performer" and "composer" are not in the spec.
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debacle
Personally, I'm missing "performer", "genre", and "date", but "composer" and "lyricist" were handy, too.
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debacle
Also, I wonder whether "rating" is mandatory or optional in the XML schema. It should be optional.
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Zash
Aren't there XML based metadata formats? Could prooooobably namespace ninja it in there if you really wanted.
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debacle
Currently, the XEP is probably nice for pop music, but lacking for jazz, classical, folklore etc.
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debacle
Zash, might be. I'm not aware of any.✎ -
debacle
Zash, might be. I'm not aware of any XML meta format for audio tags. ✏
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debacle
It seems to be the intention of this XEP to include such information and it is easier just to add a couple of elements (esp. in existing implementations) than to invent something new.
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flow
debacle, feel free to submit PRs against the XEP :)
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debacle
flow, yes, this is a simple one ;-)
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Zash
debacle: https://id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames
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lovetox
debacle, donβt do lyrics
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lovetox
its possible a huge amount of data to send over pep
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lovetox
also i would question if this really makes sense, you want to tell your contacts the music you are listen too, not send them the lyrics
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lovetox
also what would they do with the lyrics without the music
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Zash
pep-broadcast each line of the lyrics!!!1!
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eevvoor
I disagree, for some music it takes you hours to find the lyrics. It is just plaintext in the end. Why not mirror the id3tags, they also include a ridiculuous long lyrics field. If we just mirror anyway, lets mirror or it entirely.
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debacle
Zash, I'm aware of *that* "standard". It is very funny in respect to the selection of musical genres. E.g. it differentiates between "Industrial" and "Techno-Industrial", or "Gangsta" and "Christian Rap", but puts all 1001 classical subgenres into "Classical", does not even mention "Tango" or "Swing" or "Bolero". I'm pretty sure, that the author of the standard was minor at the time of authorship and did not discuss it with scholars of music, not even their music teacher.
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eevvoor
oh, id3tags define which genres exist?
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eevvoor
Then ... I disagree with my opinion above.
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Zash
debacle, I meant more as a reference of what types of tags to consider
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debacle
Zash lovetox I will propose "composer", "date", "language", "lyricist", and "performer".
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debacle
I don't think it makes sense to mirror all kind of possible tags in this context, nor lyrics. eevvoor
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debacle
IMHO, those five make a lot of sense and cerainly not add much traffic.
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debacle
Forgot "genre", sorry!
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lovetox
debacle, but check if they are available via mpris
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debacle
Six!
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debacle
performer and language are not yet available in MPRIS, all the others are
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debacle
lovetox
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lovetox
whats the difference between artist and performer
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debacle
lovetox Probably depends on usage, which is not 100 % standardised.
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debacle
In jazz, I use artist e.g. for an orchestra and performer for the singer or solist.
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Zash
Think a recording of an orchestra performing some Mozart piece
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eevvoor
π misusage of tags :D debacle
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debacle
ARTIST The artist generally considered responsible for the work. In popular music this is usually the performing band or singer. For classical music it would be the composer. For an audio book it would be the author of the original text. PERFORMER The artist(s) who performed the work. In classical music this would be the conductor, orchestra, soloists. In an audio book it would be the actor who did the reading. In popular music this is typically the same as the ARTIST and is omitted.
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debacle
source: https://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
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debacle
lovetox I already wrote an email to the MPRIS author/maintainer about adding performer and language to MPRIS. Let's see, what they will respond. If they responds.
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debacle
https://xmpp.debian.org:5281/upload/1YShSmCpLTJ_Y632/0001-add-composer-date-genre-language-lyricist-and-perfor.patch
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eevvoor
debacle, π