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MattJ
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Sigh
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MattJ
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I think for XEP-0335 I received conflicting feedback :)
MattJ
14:39:55
One request was to drop all mention of character encoding and anything below the "stream of XML characters" layer, and the other was a request to add details of characters that need to be XML-escaped
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flow
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the former seems sensible
flow
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converting an arbitrary unicode string into its xml representation is not something you should cover in an arbitrary xep
flow
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it's something the the xmpp-core rfc covers by saying "we put XML encoded in UTF-8" on the wire
Zash
14:46:26
What about arbitrary Unicode? JSON is weird and requires that to be escaped to \uXXXX IIRC
flow
14:46:36
it would be different if we talk about codepoints that re not allowed in xml 1.0
MattJ
14:47:03
and XML forbids some characters (even escaped) that JSON allows
MattJ
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so I don't think it's as simple as "don't mention it"
Zash
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And probably in UTF-16 surrogate pair mode
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flow
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Zash, for those the escaping happens on the json layer, before the xmpp library sees it and transformes the unicode string to xml, no?
Zash
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Sure, yeah
flow
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MattJ, are those characters kept in their naturual representation in json or, in the escaped representation?
Zash
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MattJ: hm?
flow
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if the latter, then we are fine, if the former, then you have to either define your custom escaping scheme, or convert the json string to base64
Zash
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Bring out the Venn diagrams!
MattJ
14:49:14
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-February/035796.html
flow
14:49:47
Zash, how does the choosen unicode encoding (UTF-8, UTF-16) matter?
Zash
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Does it say somewhere that an encoded JSON thing is ASCII?
flow
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isn't json, just like xml, at first only a sequence of unicode code points?
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Zash
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Aren't JS (and hence JSON) strings by definition UTF-16?
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flow
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but then they are also a sequence of unicode codepoints
Zash
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But the encoded JSON is either clean ASCII or ???
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flow
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I guess the encoded JSON is whatever encoding you aggreed on to exchange the sequence of codepoints ✎
flow
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I guess the encoded JSON is whatever encoding you agreed on to exchange the sequence of codepoints ✏
Zash
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> JSON syntax describes a sequence of Unicode code points.
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/ECMA-404.pdf
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flow
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it appears to me that json strings must contain e.g. control characters in their escaped form only
flow
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All Unicode characters may be placed within the
quotation marks, except for the characters that must be escaped:
quotation mark, reverse solidus, and the control characters (U+0000
through U+001F).
flow
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RFC 7159 § 7
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so if you feed a json string to an xml library, the xml library should never see e.g. U+0010, but only the sequence of codepoints that composes the escape sequence of U+0010
Zash
15:00:47
Seems so
Zash
15:02:08
But waqas refers to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7159
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Zash
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Why have one definition of JSON when there can be three?
MattJ
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The XEP refers to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4627 which was obsoleted by 7159, I guess I'll update that
Zash
15:03:39
Or .. twentyeleven.. probably about as many as there are JSON implementations
Zash
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7159#section-7
> unescaped = %x20-21 / %x23-5B / %x5D-10FFFF
Zash
15:07:15
Huh, where did I see the thing about surrogate pairs then?
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MattJ
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If someone wants to tell me what characters are unrepresentable in XML, please add to the list thread I just revived and I can include it in the next revision
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Ge0rG
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there are characters that can't be represented in XML?
MattJ
15:09:07
According to Waqas. I don't see them at a glance
MattJ
15:09:17
JSON characters, that is
MattJ
15:09:31
Some control characters are unrepresentable in XML 1.0
MattJ
15:09:59
It looks to me like they are also forbidden in JSON
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Link Mauve
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Seems like they have a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valid_characters_in_XML
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MattJ, forbidden as in, they have to be escaped in JSON, right?
MattJ
15:30:12
Yes
MattJ
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or
MattJ
looks at the RFC again
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flow
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I guess you have to check if any of those characters
flow
15:30:51
unescaped = %x20-21 / %x23-5B / %x5D-10FFFF
flow
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is invalid/forbidden in XML 1.0
MattJ
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Yes, I don't see anything forbidding escaped things in JSON
flow
15:31:30
Any character may be escaped.
flow
15:31:41
say RFC 7159 (the current JSON RFC it appears) ✎
flow
15:31:50
says RFC 7159 (the current JSON RFC it appears) ✏
flow
15:32:06
so a naive but safe json to xml converter simply escapes every character ;)
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this errata, although rejected, may be of relevance: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid3984
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jonas’
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MattJ, note that XML forbids control characters, even in escaped form
jonas’
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not that it matters for the JSON usecase
jonas’
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(here, "escaped form" means hex-entity-encoding)
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MattJ
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jonas’: I know, that's why I chose "unrepresentable"
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stpeter
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FYI, we just received our GSoC payment. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this year's summer of code!
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