mdoschSome iteam members present? https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/ seems to be offline. At least I can't reach it.
mdoschMeh, once you complain out of a sudden it works again. :-/
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eevvoormdosch, yeah, the presentation phenomenon ;)
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flowjonas’> MattJ, note that XML forbids control characters, even in escaped form
Do you have a reference for me?
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flowI just tried to find the corresponding part via a quick look at the XML 1.0 spec, but failed. I very well believe that something like that could be in there
flowso I guess everyhing that does not match this production, must be escaped via JSON escaping
MattJYes
flowalthough I could image that it could be disputed if "\u0007" is valid in JSON
flowbut that's not our discussion :)
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flownow i wonder if there are code points that are legal in XML 1.0 but have to be escaped using hex entity encoding
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Link Mauveflow, depends on the context, for instance in attributes, U+0022 and U+0027 are both legal, but one of them has to be escaped.
Link MauveU+003C in most contexts too of course.
flowyep, i mean besides the set of general etnities (amp, lt, gt, apos, quot)
jonas’flow, I don’t think so
Link MauveHmm, depending on the document encoding, characters outside of its representable set of Unicode?
Link MauveFor instance if your document is latin1, any character above that would have to be escaped.
flowencoding happens one layer below, shouldn't be relevant
Link MauveObviously irrelevant in the context of XMPP.
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jonas’flow, does it?
jonas’it does
jonas’nevermind
flowthe encoding, on the wire or within the file, is not relevant for the discussion how we stuff JSON in XMPP's XML
flowthe encoding, on the wire or within the file, is not relevant for the discussion how we shove JSON in XMPP's XML
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Link Mauveflow, because it is set to UTF-8 in XMPP, but e.g. if you use an XML editor and save as latin1, said editor would have to replace any codepoint above U+00FF with an escaped version of it, giving the exact same result as if it had been escaped previously.
Link MauveAm I wrong?
Link MauveWhat the character data represents is irrelevant in this case.
flowLink Mauve: JSON -A> XMPP -B> XML -C> wire
flowwe are only talking about A and B here
Link MauveOk.
flowthat the resulting XML in this chain is encoded using UTF-8 is irrelevant for the discussion what and how to escape JSON in XMPP's XML
flowthat the resulting XML in this chain is encoded using UTF-8 before being put on the wire is irrelevant for the discussion about what and how to escape JSON in XMPP's XML
Link MauveWell not so much, it can be considered irrelevant only because UTF-8 allows representing all legal characters in XML 1.0, so only illegal characters (but legal in JSON) have to be taken care of.
Link MauveWell not so much, it can be considered irrelevant only because UTF-8 allows representing all legal characters in XML 1.0 in unescaped form, so only illegal characters (but legal in JSON) have to be taken care of.
flowLink Mauve, but the set of illegal XML 1.0 characters does not depend on the encoding used to store the XML, right?
Link MauveNo, it doesn’t.
flowahh double negation
flownot sure if in aggreement or not
flownot sure if in agreement or not
Link MauveIt is an agreement. ^^
flowphew
Link Mauve:)
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jonas’language!
jonas’(is hard)
Zashsomething something langsec
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emusMid-month reminder to send your project news, aritcles and updates to the XMPP Newsletter on September! 💌️ https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/787
emusMid-month reminder to send your project news, articles and updates to the XMPP Newsletter on September! 💌️ https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/787