XSF Discussion - 2020-09-28

I think what lovetox is describing is an issue of the xmlstream library

not of the extension

the library could offer a type where you simply get a DOM of the thing to work with

for /vcard4?/ that’s not too bad

https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/vcard/xso.py#L33-L116

Although off topic, lotsa smart people in here: I've been asked to guide someone to juggle some certificates (x509) from one format to the other. I'd typically google to find the appropriate openssl commands, but this person is on Windows. I've found some third party precompiled openssl binaries, but it's that the way to go?

can they use WSL?

I do not know

if they can, that’d be a way forward

otherwise, yes, using random binaries downloaded from the internet is how windows do. (or did, at least in when I was still using windows)

ok, thanks

mind, the last windows version I touched was XP

I can confirm this is how Windows worked. Last used Windows 2000.

MattJ, 2000 was XP without the fancy themes, right? ✏

Exactly :)

The minimum specs and the copy protection are what pushed me to Linux

I’m not really on linux. In 2008 or so, I reinstalled my desktop machine, but this time I installed linux first to give it a chance. I decided to install windows on the second partition once I should need it. I’m still in that state.

;-)

I really wanted one feature of XP that Windows 2000 didn't have - the ability to log in multiple desktop users simultaneously, and switch between them. Ubuntu had that out of the box (possibly Debian too, but the installer always froze when I tried it)

Should probably reminisce in other channels :)

yeah

I feel that this year is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

just a little message to tell that Movim 0.18 is out https://nl.movim.eu/?post/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/11655111-e7ad-4e0c-975c-3c78755d22aa

\o/

i'll publish about it on the social networks soon

edhelas, care to add it to the next newsletter, too? :)

i'll try to find time to do that

edhelas, just drop a small conclusion at commteam@, I’ll do the rest

wurstsalat: 👍

jonas’, any (planned) Editor news this month? I’m composing a list for this month’s newsletter issue

I could write a summary about the research propsal. It is not yet decided whether the German research foundation will fund it.

Is that a topic for the newsletter?

wurstsalat, in case yes, I would be a new Editor of the newsletter.

eevvoor, can you elaborate? :)

or: do you have a link?

I shared the whole research proposal here after submission, wurstsalat. I do not have a link since there is no funding yet.

Musst have been in Januar.

It is a proposal for a cross-platform program to access mulilingual content, like news from other countries with emoji-enriched translations.

eevvoor, I think that would fit well!

use-cases are language learning and accessability to mulimedia-content in other languages.

ok wurstsalat, when is the deadline and could you guide me through the style the texts should have? length etc ...

eevvoor, you could join commteam@muc.xmpp.org deadline for this month would be the 30th (but why not next month) ;) text is markdown formatted, text should not be too long (usually we aim for short conclusions + link)

xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join

wurstsalat, no

I have other stuff in the pipeline, but that won’t make it until Oct 1st

jonas’: ok thanks :)

hm, but I do not have a link.

I do not know whether I am allowed to publish a research proposal for download. Would have to ask that.

Otherwise the link to the pdf would be perfect.

wurstsalat, is it 30th 0:00h UTC?

Where do I find english information about why XMPP is preferable over whatsapp?

I know a lot of German websites but no English one.

eevvoor: a link is not mandatory. You could also just summarize your plans :) deadlines or not that strict, but before october would be nice, otherwise it'll be in the next issue, which would als be nice

*are not

ok, thx for the explanations wurstsalat

jonas’, thats what im talking about, implementing the spec in a library

lovetox, so? hand the user an XML DOM. that’s the smartest way to deal with vcard

and maybe implement some convenience methods to retrieve the values of frequently used fields

you hand the client the xml?

thats indeed simple

not sure this is of any help to implement the spec though

It's unclear to me how vcard4 is all that different from vcard-temp

and as i see it the only convenience method you implemented for setting a photo, is not respecting that in a vcard multiple photos can be present

lovetox, note that this is vcard-temp, not vcard4

quick skimming the code, i think this overwrites the first one it encounters?

jonas’, i know

yes, it only interacts with the first photo

though if you ask it to clear, it’ll kill them all

Personally I would prefer that we take this time to stop putting avatars into the vcard, and use the avatar pep method

:+1:

yeah .. so your implementation of the vcard spec is to hand the client the xml unaltered, and provide a convienience method thats only in some narrow cases is convenient

Zash, you would need to read the spec in full

it just provides vcard with alot more features

for example, every key (Photo, Nickname etc) can have load of "parameteres" that give context to the key

problem is if you dont understand all the parameteres, context is missing from the element, and if you accidently delete the parameter, because you dont support it or dont understand it, you actually change the meaning of the element

further all elements can be arranged in "groups", so you better understand what groups are, otherwise the elements again missing the context

on library side, to provide a nice object for the client, is not hard, but its probably a 1000 line module if im finished

> lovetox> you hand the client the xml? well, not the raw XML as string, but an abstraction API that allows the user to query/discover the XML

on client side to make a proper UI for it, is probably a very hard task

if not impossible

but i will take that impossible task on me

and will tell you once its done

lovetox, perfect is the enemy of good. Hence the solution from aioxmpp, which seems to work fine so far.

https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capitalism-8135e6744d59 in case some missed it. Still reading through it, it's long (really).

> How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism > Step 1: Post your article on a "blog" covered in 15+ ads and trackers

Yeah.. medium :(

I'm sorry about that

ha sorry couldn't resist :)

Fortunately I don't get the ads and trackers (or it's greatly reduced) but my addons are blinking red

same, plus I just saved to my wallabag and it's got none of that

I couldn’t even load that on mobile, but Cory Doctorow is always a good read

wallabag estimates 109 minute read

Yes it's long, and I doubt that's accurate even, I'd give it way more

Why's the 'f' in the first 'of' in a <span>?

in 7 spans, for me

Maybe one wasn't enough

> Why's the 'f' in the first 'of' in a <span>? Wild clicking in fancy WYSIWYG editor?

I assume converting with pandoc :p

just submitted the link on https://news.ycombinator.com/newest

Is the website at https://www.xmpp.org/ dreadfully slow for others too, or is it just me?

seems ok here

just the usual overseas latency

Looks like there's some packetloss from up here to wherever that is

is it in the bunker again?

ah, no, it’s on DO

In The Cloud™

k, must be me then

thanks