XSF Discussion - 2020-09-28

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  100. jonas’ I think what lovetox is describing is an issue of the xmlstream library
  101. jonas’ not of the extension
  102. jonas’ the library could offer a type where you simply get a DOM of the thing to work with
  103. jonas’ for /vcard4?/ that’s not too bad
  104. jonas’ https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/vcard/xso.py#L33-L116
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  202. Guus Although off topic, lotsa smart people in here: I've been asked to guide someone to juggle some certificates (x509) from one format to the other. I'd typically google to find the appropriate openssl commands, but this person is on Windows. I've found some third party precompiled openssl binaries, but it's that the way to go?
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  204. jonas’ can they use WSL?
  205. Guus I do not know
  206. jonas’ if they can, that’d be a way forward
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  208. jonas’ otherwise, yes, using random binaries downloaded from the internet is how windows do. (or did, at least in when I was still using windows)
  209. Guus ok, thanks
  210. jonas’ mind, the last windows version I touched was XP
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  216. MattJ I can confirm this is how Windows worked. Last used Windows 2000.
  217. jonas’ MattJ, 2000 was XP without the fancy themes, righ-?
  218. jonas’ MattJ, 2000 was XP without the fancy themes, right?
  219. MattJ Exactly :)
  220. MattJ The minimum specs and the copy protection are what pushed me to Linux
  221. jonas’ I’m not really on linux. In 2008 or so, I reinstalled my desktop machine, but this time I installed linux first to give it a chance. I decided to install windows on the second partition once I should need it. I’m still in that state.
  222. jonas’ ;-)
  223. MattJ I really wanted one feature of XP that Windows 2000 didn't have - the ability to log in multiple desktop users simultaneously, and switch between them. Ubuntu had that out of the box (possibly Debian too, but the installer always froze when I tried it)
  224. MattJ Should probably reminisce in other channels :)
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  226. jonas’ yeah
  227. Guus I feel that this year is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop.
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  237. edhelas just a little message to tell that Movim 0.18 is out https://nl.movim.eu/?post/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/11655111-e7ad-4e0c-975c-3c78755d22aa
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  246. pep. \o/
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  251. edhelas i'll publish about it on the social networks soon
  252. wurstsalat edhelas, care to add it to the next newsletter, too? :)
  253. edhelas i'll try to find time to do that
  254. wurstsalat edhelas, just drop a small conclusion at commteam@, I’ll do the rest
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  257. emus wurstsalat: 👍
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  275. wurstsalat jonas’, any (planned) Editor news this month? I’m composing a list for this month’s newsletter issue
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  291. eevvoor I could write a summary about the research propsal. It is not yet decided whether the German research foundation will fund it.
  292. eevvoor Is that a topic for the newsletter?
  293. eevvoor wurstsalat, in case yes, I would be a new Editor of the newsletter.
  294. wurstsalat eevvoor, can you elaborate? :)
  295. wurstsalat or: do you have a link?
  296. eevvoor I shared the whole research proposal here after submission, wurstsalat. I do not have a link since there is no funding yet.
  297. eevvoor Musst have been in Januar.
  298. eevvoor It is a proposal for a cross-platform program to access mulilingual content, like news from other countries with emoji-enriched translations.
  299. wurstsalat eevvoor, I think that would fit well!
  300. eevvoor use-cases are language learning and accessability to mulimedia-content in other languages.
  301. eevvoor ok wurstsalat, when is the deadline and could you guide me through the style the texts should have? length etc ...
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  303. wurstsalat eevvoor, you could join commteam@muc.xmpp.org deadline for this month would be the 30th (but why not next month) ;) text is markdown formatted, text should not be too long (usually we aim for short conclusions + link)
  304. eevvoor xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
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  313. jonas’ wurstsalat, no
  314. jonas’ I have other stuff in the pipeline, but that won’t make it until Oct 1st
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  317. wurstsalat jonas’: ok thanks :)
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  344. eevvoor hm, but I do not have a link.
  345. eevvoor I do not know whether I am allowed to publish a research proposal for download. Would have to ask that.
  346. eevvoor Otherwise the link to the pdf would be perfect.
  347. eevvoor wurstsalat, is it 30th 0:00h UTC?
  348. eevvoor Where do I find english information about why XMPP is preferable over whatsapp?
  349. eevvoor I know a lot of German websites but no English one.
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  376. wurstsalat eevvoor: a link is not mandatory. You could also just summarize your plans :) deadlines or not that strict, but before october would be nice, otherwise it'll be in the next issue, which would als be nice
  377. wurstsalat *are not
  378. eevvoor ok, thx for the explanations wurstsalat
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  403. lovetox jonas’, thats what im talking about, implementing the spec in a library
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  412. jonas’ lovetox, so? hand the user an XML DOM. that’s the smartest way to deal with vcard
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  443. flow and maybe implement some convenience methods to retrieve the values of frequently used fields
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  448. lovetox you hand the client the xml?
  449. lovetox thats indeed simple
  450. lovetox not sure this is of any help to implement the spec though
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  452. Zash It's unclear to me how vcard4 is all that different from vcard-temp
  453. lovetox and as i see it the only convenience method you implemented for setting a photo, is not respecting that in a vcard multiple photos can be present
  454. jonas’ lovetox, note that this is vcard-temp, not vcard4
  455. lovetox quick skimming the code, i think this overwrites the first one it encounters?
  456. lovetox jonas’, i know
  457. jonas’ yes, it only interacts with the first photo
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  459. jonas’ though if you ask it to clear, it’ll kill them all
  460. Zash Personally I would prefer that we take this time to stop putting avatars into the vcard, and use the avatar pep method
  461. jonas’ :+1:
  462. lovetox yeah .. so your implementation of the vcard spec is to hand the client the xml unaltered, and provide a convienience method thats only in some narrow cases is convenient
  463. lovetox Zash, you would need to read the spec in full
  464. lovetox it just provides vcard with alot more features
  465. lovetox for example, every key (Photo, Nickname etc) can have load of "parameteres" that give context to the key
  466. lovetox problem is if you dont understand all the parameteres, context is missing from the element, and if you accidently delete the parameter, because you dont support it or dont understand it, you actually change the meaning of the element
  467. lovetox further all elements can be arranged in "groups", so you better understand what groups are, otherwise the elements again missing the context
  468. lovetox on library side, to provide a nice object for the client, is not hard, but its probably a 1000 line module if im finished
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  470. flow > lovetox> you hand the client the xml? well, not the raw XML as string, but an abstraction API that allows the user to query/discover the XML
  471. lovetox on client side to make a proper UI for it, is probably a very hard task
  472. lovetox if not impossible
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  481. lovetox but i will take that impossible task on me
  482. lovetox and will tell you once its done
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  488. jonas’ lovetox, perfect is the enemy of good. Hence the solution from aioxmpp, which seems to work fine so far.
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  490. pep. https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capitalism-8135e6744d59 in case some missed it. Still reading through it, it's long (really).
  491. moparisthebest > How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism > Step 1: Post your article on a "blog" covered in 15+ ads and trackers
  492. pep. Yeah.. medium :(
  493. pep. I'm sorry about that
  494. moparisthebest ha sorry couldn't resist :)
  495. pep. Fortunately I don't get the ads and trackers (or it's greatly reduced) but my addons are blinking red
  496. moparisthebest same, plus I just saved to my wallabag and it's got none of that
  497. wurstsalat I couldn’t even load that on mobile, but Cory Doctorow is always a good read
  498. moparisthebest wallabag estimates 109 minute read
  499. pep. Yes it's long, and I doubt that's accurate even, I'd give it way more
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  504. Zash Why's the 'f' in the first 'of' in a <span>?
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  507. pep. in 7 spans, for me
  508. pep. Maybe one wasn't enough
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  510. mdosch is watching 🏒 > Why's the 'f' in the first 'of' in a <span>? Wild clicking in fancy WYSIWYG editor?
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  512. pep. I assume converting with pandoc :p
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  519. edhelas just submitted the link on https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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  583. Guus Is the website at https://www.xmpp.org/ dreadfully slow for others too, or is it just me?
  584. pep. seems ok here
  585. jonas’ just the usual overseas latency
  586. Zash Looks like there's some packetloss from up here to wherever that is
  587. jonas’ is it in the bunker again?
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  589. jonas’ ah, no, it’s on DO
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  591. Zash In The Cloud™
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  593. Guus k, must be me then
  594. Guus thanks
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