XSF Discussion - 2020-10-01

https://tlswg.org/draft-ietf-tls-esni/draft-ietf-tls-esni.html neat I missed when this started encrypting the whole client hello including ALPN

Monal devs do not want to add -PLUS variants: https://github.com/anurodhp/Monal/issues/161#issuecomment-701867707

Neustradamus: I think its not about wanting but about ressources and priority currently

I also wonder what makes Monal special from other clients having this not (yet) implemented.

Neustradamus: You think -PLUS is more important than groupchat support?

Also my only experienced message loss was when the contact was using Monal. But I'm not sure if it is a general Monal issue or if the server was also involved.

So there is indeed more important work to do.

mdosch, how dare you!

who voted you into the XSF! ✏

😂

> who voted you into the XSF! You?

You cannot get nailed by hackers is there are no messages at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://element.io/blog/gitter-is-joining-element/

is there some folks from Tigase here ?

Yes, and there is also a Tigase MUC

tigase@muc.tigase.org

!

MattJ, Seve, Guus

o/

Hello 👋

Oh, wow, Thursday

Ralph cannot make it to today's meeting

# Welcome

Agenda today?

I got one

potentially to be discussed with SCAM first

but we should make up our minds if and how we're going to do the Summit, early next year.

I have no other agenda items (but didn't look at Trello)

Any other agenda item?

Guus, k

None here

On trello in the "Items for discussion" there's txxmpp which should be gone?

And "License for website content" which I thought had been handled?

I was under the impression that txxmpp was handled, yes

last week we agreed to let webteam handle txxmpp, so yeah, that can be gone

Ah apparently not. The newsletter license is fine though, which I remember being the original concern

I'm unsure about the license

Seems to be more or less very loosely assigned to ralph

# Summit 2021

Unsure if this is initially something for board. Maybe we should ask SCAM to kick into action. As I'm also in SCAM...

I guess that should be deferred to SCAM? Since FOSDEM is going online we'd probably do that online as well

If it happens

Which is probably also a SCAM concern?

happy to discuss it here quickly though

I personally feel that an in-person summit won't be an option

I haven't really looked into the next iteration of FOSDEM yet

FOSDEM won't be a physical event either.

Yeah that's all I know. I meant organization-wise

> I personally feel that an in-person summit won't be an option I have the same feeling

How many people do we expect if the even is online? Do we expect more than usual? (even if there's always a not-so-prioritized feed up)

your guess is as good as any, I think.

jonas’, agreed

I’d also note that if we want to do an online event and if we find that we need infrastructure for that (as opposed to piggy-backing on FOSDEM if possible or renting e.g. zoom), iteam needs to know well in advance ✏

lets punt this to SCAM, with a request to come with a proposal or dismissal soon-ish.

Cool

Guus, sure. There's supposed to be a monthly SCAM meeting next thursday, let's try to think about it by then

I mainly put it on boards agenda since it was the first one in my calendar, and that I felt we needed to kickstart a discussion.

works for me pep.

Wait, tuesday*

also works for me 🙂

# AOB

none here

None :)

# Next

+1w ?

wfm

although I'd like to point out that Firstname Lastname neglected to actually fill out the wikipage for their board and council application.

# Close

thanks all

thanks

Sending out the minutes in a few

Thanks pep. :)

Have a great end of the week everyone!

+1

I hear that there are folks who have jitsi services accomodating 60 people

(in the same conference)

just as a bit of info for a virtual summit

we could probably use that infrastructure

I'm also not against a BBB tbh. It doesn't exactly have to be jitsi-meet. Whatever works, but free software :)

Mumble always worked well for me, if everyone can forego video.

True

I think some ability to have a whiteboard would be nice

Even though jitsi-meet and BBB also work without video and it's really mostly people weirdly insisting on it :/

might be external of course

I never tried to scale mumble to 20+ people

works fine with way more

Used to use it for WoW raids :x

mumble scales to 40+ people fine, it was (is?) heavily used for WoW raids

:D

lol

So the IETF is trialling Matrix and Zulip, but not trialling a modern XMPP setup?

Pretty much

Maybe somebody™ can bribe them by offering a free but commercial-grade XMPP server?

I can probably be persuaded

..three weeks ago? ;)

MattJ, context?

flow: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/UtPuWgXhYbjyf7wHGJh4ax4kQrA/

Ge0rG, thanks

Ge0rG: no, not three weeks ago

MattJ: I can help in increasing the availability, but I don't have the colo capacity for it

Just put it in the cloud

I thought you said commercial-grade :)

make sure you put cloudflare in front of it

that's the benchmark for commercial-grade right?

MattJ: you can feel assured that I'm fully commercial-grade

Until your CMOS battery dies

MattJ: I'm pretty sure I never was equipped with a CMOS battery, but I'll ask my mother

MattJ: what I tried to say is: I'd like to support and provide a second pair of hands, as long as it's running on someone else's hardware / cloud / toaster

Can do

Especially if jonas’ donates monitoring

will do

Ge0rG: can you email me exactly what they want? I'm confused about what they want to host themselves and what they want hosted for them, and whether they want anonymous auth or what

MattJ: "We are not, at this time, planning to host jabber accounts. We may revisit that as an option as we continue to gather more feedback."

So the main problem is that it's hard to aquire an XMPP account. But they're not going to host those. And now they're hosting Matrix accounts.

<Insert joke about the IETF having many standards>

it's ok tell them you don't want them to host jabber accounts you want them to host XMPP accounts

*Snikket accounts

if that fails, tell them you heard about this great new chat system named... yea :)