XSF Discussion - 2020-10-05


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  120. Holger Yes yes, I just meant that having a single setting for MAM and public logs might obviously circumvent MAM's access restrictions. If the admin enabled public logging in general, and the room owner (or his client) just wants to enable MAM logging for a private group. L
  121. Holger Yes yes, I just meant that having a single setting for MAM and public logs might obviously circumvent MAM's access restrictions. If the admin enabled public logging in general, and the room owner (or his client) just wants to enable MAM logging for a private group.
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  123. Holger (But seems everyone agrees now anyway. This was different last time we discussed this.)
  124. pep. Zash: the changesubject thing was wrong in that MUC example right? roominfo / roomconfig
  125. pep. Holger: everyone on a subset of 3
  126. pep. Maybe that's already better than last time :p
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  128. Holger pep.: Everyone else had an entire night of time to object!
  129. Zash pep.: Hm? No? Just weird and inconsistent.
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  198. lovetox is it somewhere definied what a server needs to return on disco-info to a account that does not exist?
  199. Zash https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#rules-local-barejid-nosuchuser > For an IQ stanza, the server MUST return a <service-unavailable/> stanza error (Section 8.3.3.19) to the sender.
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  202. lovetox ejabberd returns subscription-required
  203. lovetox but ok
  204. pep. What would you have to subscribe to to disco an account? Roster?
  205. Guus It might be needed to distinguish between JIDs that do not refer to an existing entity, and JIDs that are associated to users that used SASL ANON.
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  207. Guus You can probably disco/info an anonymous user?
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  209. Ge0rG something something user enumeration attacks
  210. Guus 'something something' isn't going to cut it. Be more specific please.
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  213. Ge0rG A server should ideally return the same response for an existing user as for a non-existing one, unless you are allowed to see the respective record
  214. Zash so that it's not trivial to find out which users exist
  215. lovetox yeah so subscription-required makes more sense
  216. lovetox because this you can return for ALL users
  217. lovetox while service-unavailable you can only return for users that dont exist?
  218. lovetox or does prosody also return that if you are not subscribed to a contact
  219. Zash Should be the same error in both cases
  220. lovetox am i allowed to disco info the contact if he sent me a message?
  221. lovetox or can i simply never disco info a contact im not subscribed to
  222. Zash no. probably.
  223. Zash sending a message wouldn't matter here
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  226. Ge0rG lovetox: most servers try to stay stateless as far as possible, so incoming traffic isn't registered as any kind of auth, only presence subscriptions
  227. Zash Storage hit for roster lookups
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