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emus
jcbrand: I know
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Ge0rG
what's the xmpp compliance status of Psi / Psi+?
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emus
Ge0rG: How do you come to the question?
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Ge0rG
emus: I was asked whether Psi is a viable XMPP client for beginners.
Daniel
Ge0rG, i think the unreleased version / dev version of Psi has some good features
Daniel
but it hasn’t been released yet. so that makes it difficult for beginners
Ge0rG
Daniel: thanks.
Ge0rG
And the last release is outdated? Does it have MAM / Carbons at least?
dwd
Ge0rG, It's the same classic Psi UX. Which is to say, old-fashioned and very "FLOSS". So even if it were highly compliant I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner.
dwd
Ge0rG, Unless we're talking a beginner server developer, because its debugging toolkit is still the best of the clients.
emus
Ge0rG: Why not... yax.im? 😅
flow
Daniel, Psi 1.5 was relased a month ago
Ge0rG
it's about IETF members who don't want to bother with xmpp as their primary job.
flow
Daniel, I wonder if it includes the "good features" you have in mind
dwd
Ge0rG, Oh, no. What platform are they running on?
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emus: I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that my non-commercial public xmpp server would be a replacement for a client
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Ge0rG
I don't even offer a converse.js with login.
emus
Ge0rG: I meant you app
Ge0rG
dwd: all of them?
Ge0rG
emus: sorry, I've got no time for games
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dwd
I'd go with Matt's recommendation of BeagleIM for Mac. Maybe Swift for Windows? Gajim or Dino for Linux.
Ge0rG
dwd: we've recommended Gajim for Linux and Windows. Sorry.
dwd
Oh, I use Gajim on Windows as well, no need to apologise.
I just submitted https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/817 to fix a small issue in the newsletter
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emus
MattJ: Thanks
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pep.
I'm on a train with bad connectivity, I'll pass today's meeting. I don't think we had anything special to discuss anyway?
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Guus
well, there wasn't an agenda, so nothing pressing at the very least, I guess
Guus
I don't mind skipping this weeks meeting
Seve
Me neither
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MattJ
Sounds good to m... oh wait
Seve
😄
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wurstsalat
Link Mauve, it would be nice to see https://github.com/pulkomandy/xmpp-doap/pull/6/files merged! at the moment, I have to send potential implementors to other projects to find 'valid' examples :)
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lskdjf
what would be even awesomer to see, is if XEPs would have a list of implementing clients next to them based on the information from the project doap files 😇
Zash
lskdjf: That was the plan along actually
emus
wurstsalat: are there sone generators to xml?
emus
for monal
pep.
not at the moment but it wouldn't be that hard I guess? otherwise for now take exemple on an existing file it's pretty straightforward
wurstsalat
emus, I don’t think there are generators
lskdjf
> lskdjf: That was the plan along actually
Zash I know, but I wanted to mention that I'm eagerly awaiting it 😉
wurstsalat
but yes, simply take the file of some other project and modify it to your needs
emus
wurstsalat: So I have to do that by hand 😥
emus
yes good piint
wurstsalat
thing is: you have to do it once in a single place, and it can be used to update stuff elsewhere
wurstsalat
see https://gajim.org/support/extensions/ (which gets updated automagically)
emus
kk
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wurstsalat: maybe the complete/partial keywords could be removed in the rendered version and only colors kept, on the xep number for exemple
wurstsalat
pep., I tried that, but didn’t like the look..
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Zash
also (color-)blind readability
wurstsalat
coloring links differently is also a thing which I wanted to avoid
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rion
Hey guys. I was looking at jingle file transfer over webrtc datachannel but decided to switch to QUIC. Is there any work in progress XEPs for that?✎
rion
Hey guys. I was looking at jingle file transfer over webrtc datachannel but decided to switch to QUIC. Is there any work in progress XEP for that? ✏
moparisthebest
rion, not that I know of but I've been closely following esni/ech/https-svc/srv2 etc etc and when those settled down a bit planned to introduce a new xep using those to discover direct TLS and also QUIC services
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moparisthebest
you can get to most of those from https://tlswg.org/draft-ietf-tls-esni/draft-ietf-tls-esni.html
rion
according the latest specs it's not compatible with TURN but we still have socks5. So I guess it's just perfect.
especially taking into account jingle supports transports fallback✎
rion
according the latest specs QUIC is not compatible with TURN but we still have socks5. So I guess it's just perfect.
especially taking into account jingle supports transports fallback ✏
rion
moparisthebest: thanks, I'll take a look.
rion
In any case I'll try to implement it for jingle and if it goes well I'll design a XEP.
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rion
I hope Belarus won't follow Russia forbidding TLS 1.3 / esni and other cool things
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otherwise I'll have to consider to move somewhere else.
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flow
rion, since you are here, I was previously wondering if the reason for psi+'s existence still exists?
flow
or to ask differently: would you recommend me to look into psi or psi+?
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rion
flow: nope. psi+ is just a brand kept from the previous fork. nothing more.
flow
rion, is there (still) any functional difference between psi and psi+?
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all patches were merged to Psi
jonas’
Ge0rG, ^
flow
allright, time to emerge psi then :)
rion
Gentoo? if doesn't work well from portage, let me know. I'm a maintainer there.
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yes, will do
rion
try 9999
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rion
I also have an overlay which is usually has all the recent changes to psi ebuild. iirc not everything is merged to the portage
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flow: oh yes. plugins are available on overlay only. and still can't find some spare time to migrate ebuild to use cmake for them which is supported for a long time. qmake builds aren't well maintained anymore.✎
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flow: oh yes. plugins are available in the overlay only. and still can't find some spare time to migrate ebuild to use cmake for them which is supported for a long time. qmake builds aren't well maintained anymore. ✏
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Kev
The old Psi maintainers were bastards who didn't like merging patches. I hear new management is nicer ;)
Kev
(For anyone who doesn't know the history and thinks I'm attacking someone, I was maintainer at the time)
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Zash
Kev: Refering to your past self in plural, is that good? :P
Kev
We think so.
Zash
I guess you're in majority then
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rion
Kev: that's fine, not all those patches were well designed. I fixed some before merging and merged some others with closed eyes because people like those features.
Kev
:)
rion
Unfortunately in open source it's quite hard to follow high standards. Contributors just go away when you say their patches do not look good..
rion
and then you realize you don't time to fix everything on your own.
MattJ
Tip: put all those things in a separate repository and call it "community maintained"
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dwd
What grade of trolling would it be to turn up in the QUIC WG and start making noise about whether or not it's compatible with SOCKS5?
Zash
You can even put your own hacky experiments in there.. oh whops now it's deployed in production in thousands of servers.
dwd
(It probably is assuming it's layered over UDP)
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dwd: That reads a bit like "How do I make this road drive itself cross-country?"
Zash
Wait is there UDP SOCKS5?
Zash
What
Zash
Never mind me then
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dwd
Zash, Yeah, it's the big advantage over SOCKS4.
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Ge0rG
And nobody asked rion for the currently supported set of features.